No Speaky de Engrish ?

Slow Motion · 11-09-2007 01:51PM #1

So the immigrant council of Ireland want to introduce english classes for immigrants coming here ! Should we spend our (and possibly their) taxes on this ? Or should they have read the smallprint before coming here and learned how to communicate in the major language of this country ! If you were going to work abroad in a non-english speaking country would you expect that state to teach you the language ?

The article
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0911/integration.html

dlofnep · 11-09-2007 02:04PM

Depends on the circumstance

Feck em' - send them home and use the money to promote gaeilge.

Kintarō Hattori · 11-09-2007 02:05PM

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Slow Motion wrote:

So the immigrant council of Ireland want to introduce english classes for immigrants coming here ! Should we spend our (and possibly their) taxes on this ? Or should they have read the smallprint before coming here and learned how to communicate in the major language of this country ! If you were going to work abroad in a non-english speaking country would you expect that state to teach you the language ?

The article
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0911/integration.html

No- but it'd be nice if they did!

Exit · 11-09-2007 02:08PM

Without wishing to jump on the anti-immigrant bandwagon... no, I don't think English classes should be put on by the State.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 11-09-2007 02:08PM

once they teach them all to speak english, we should start speaking irish! that will show them!

Archeron · 11-09-2007 02:09PM

Laylah Incalculable Jukebox wrote:

once they teach them all to speak english, we should start speaking irish! that will show them!

LOL

Anti · 11-09-2007 02:11PM

Laylah Incalculable Jukebox wrote:

once they teach them all to speak english, we should start speaking irish! that will show them!

Haha, good call. But then ill need irish lessons. Which will take up your tax money

ScumLord · 11-09-2007 02:19PM

On the news they said their going to teach them the official language of the country which I thought was Irish. We should theach them that for the laugh. Before they get here.

humanji · 11-09-2007 02:19PM

Anti wrote:

Haha, good call. But then ill need irish lessons. Which will take up your tax money

Ironically, you'll be paying for that. What they should do is tell them that they are teaching them English, but teach them Irish instead. That way we'll have thousands more speaking Irish and it'll be great for our heritage.

mickoneill30 · 11-09-2007 02:26PM

Exit wrote:

Without wishing to jump on the anti-immigrant bandwagon... no, I don't think English classes should be put on by the State.

Dead right. Just let these foreign speaking kids go to normal classes like they are now and if the teacher has to spend more time with them at the English speaking kids expense then fine. Who ends up paying for it in the long term?

Their parents are paying taxes too if they're working here (which in reality they are).

watna · 11-09-2007 02:31PM

I actually saw a really funny video where a chinese guy wants to come to Ireland so looks up the language we speak here and sees its irish, so he learns Irish and when he comes here nobody can understand him, until he talks to a bloke on the pub in Irish and he sends him to the Gaeltacht. it was really funny but I can't find the linky! Anway, on-topic again... i think it's the own person's responsibility to have a working knowledge of the language they speak in the country they are emigrating too. i wouldn't expect another country to give me free lessons in their language.

Terry · 11-09-2007 02:32PM

Depends on the circumstance

Of course the should learn how to speak English before coming here.

Picture yourself going to Germany or China without a word of their native languages.

Terry · 11-09-2007 02:33PM

Depends on the circumstance

watna wrote:

I actually saw a really funny video where a chinese guy wants to come to Ireland so looks up the language we speak here and sees its irish, so he learns Irish and when he comes here nobody can understand him, until he talks to a bloke on the pub in Irish and he sends him to the Gaeltacht. it was really funny but I can't find the linky! Anway, on-topic again... i think it's the own person's responsibility to have a working knowledge of the language they speak in the country they are emigrating too. i wouldn't expect another country to give me free lessons in their language.

I remember hearing about that movie. I'm sure someone here will know the name.

watna · 11-09-2007 02:34PM

Terry wrote:

I remember hearing about that movie. I'm sure someone here will know the name.

ooo.. I hope so, a movie buff friend sent it to me and I really enjoyed it!

mickoneill30 · 11-09-2007 02:42PM

Terry wrote:

Picture yourself going to Germany or China without a word of their native languages.

Of course you wouldn't but we're not talking about adults here. Would you give your 5 year old a Chinese or German course here before going or would you just pop him into one of their English language schools?

That's the other alternative I suppose. We could open schools in foreign languages to accomodate people coming here. They do it in Germany and China.
I think getting a few extra teachers to get the kids up to speed in English is probably cheaper.

Dyr · 11-09-2007 02:47PM

The funny/sad thing is, we're already doing this :rolleyes:

http://www.iilt.ie/home/default.asp?NCID=1

And in the leafy suburbs of ballsbridge no less, nothing but the best for our fugees

Other news: Immigrant council calls for red carpet to be rolled out for every chancer who steps off a plane in dublin airport, also that the M50 roundabout be declared a memorial for victims of intolerance

axer · 11-09-2007 02:49PM

Terry wrote:

Picture yourself going to Germany

I am in Germany and they don't give me free German lessons - surprisingly enough!

I do not expect them to. If I want to speak german it is my problem not theirs and if it causes problems for me in my day to day life here - it is also my problem not theirs.

In the local school in my hometown they have a language class. I am not so bothered about teaching children but under no circumstances should the adults be taught for free.

If the immigrants really want to learn English maybe we could start courses but make them pay a "No Speaky de Engrish" tax to pay for it.

Terry · 11-09-2007 02:59PM

Depends on the circumstance

mickoneill30 wrote:

Of course you wouldn't but we're not talking about adults here. Would you give your 5 year old a Chinese or German course here before going or would you just pop him into one of their English language schools?

That's the other alternative I suppose. We could open schools in foreign languages to accomodate people coming here. They do it in Germany and China.
I think getting a few extra teachers to get the kids up to speed in English is probably cheaper.

Bollox to that.
When in Rome...

See what axer said above.

Slow Motion · 11-09-2007 03:03PM

mickoneill30 wrote:

Of course you wouldn't but we're not talking about adults here. Would you give your 5 year old a Chinese or German course here before going or would you just pop him into one of their English language schools?

That's the other alternative I suppose. We could open schools in foreign languages to accomodate people coming here. They do it in Germany and China.
I think getting a few extra teachers to get the kids up to speed in English is probably cheaper.

Actually we are talking about the adults ! I have no problem with kids getting help to learn the language ! They didn't really have a choice in coming here and the schools could be geared up to help them like the currently do with kids who have learning difficulties without too much fuss ! But the adults who come here made a choice to do so and should make the effort to learn enough to get by before they come here !

Exit · 11-09-2007 03:03PM

Bambi wrote:

The funny/sad thing is, we're already doing this :rolleyes:

http://www.iilt.ie/home/default.asp?NCID=1

And in the leafy suburbs of ballsbridge no less, nothing but the best for our fugees

Other news: Immigrant council calls for red carpet to be rolled out for every chancer who steps off a plane in dublin airport, also that the M50 roundabout be declared a memorial for victims of intolerance

Why do you assume that every immigrant is a chancer?

Rob_l · 11-09-2007 03:05PM

Exit wrote:

Why do you assume that every immigrant is a chancer?

why do you assume they are not?

Lucas10101 · 11-09-2007 03:11PM

It doesn't make a ****ing difference if they know the language, because faced with an uncompromising position with an english speaking person, the reply is usually "I don't understand you"...which is ****ing annoying.

Terry · 11-09-2007 03:15PM

Depends on the circumstance

Rob_l wrote:

why do you assume they are not?

Because that would be ridiculous.

I'm going for my afternoon nap.
When I wake up, there better be some proper evidence backing up these wild claims or I'm going on a ban rampage.

Hagar · 11-09-2007 03:17PM

Depends on the circumstance

Nobody offered me free French lessons when I came to France.
I spent a small fortune on lessons for my family, again nobody offered them for free. Nor did I expect them to.

I chose to come here and it was my responsibility to learn the language so my opinion would be "Fuck them. Let them get off their arses and learn the language at their own expense".

axer · 11-09-2007 03:20PM

Is the problem here that the immigrants are asking or that there are some stupid Irish people in the immigrant council of Ireland wanting to offer? Let those idiots go off and teach the immigrants themselves out of their own pocket if they want.

mickoneill30 · 11-09-2007 03:21PM

Slow Motion wrote:

Actually we are talking about the adults ! I have no problem with kids getting help to learn the language ! They didn't really have a choice in coming here and the schools could be geared up to help them like the currently do with kids who have learning difficulties without too much fuss ! But the adults who come here made a choice to do so and should make the effort to learn enough to get by before they come here !

Ah OK. I thought it was about kids. I know a teacher and she was telling us how she had to spend a lot of extra time on one or two kids who didn't have great English.

For adults then I agree. They come here to work of their own choice. It's up to them to make sure they can get by in the country they go to.

stcatherine · 11-09-2007 03:24PM

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seriously our government need to stop rolling over to these people, If I want to go and work in Finland I have to learn Finnish .... what do I do ...go out and buy a bloody language course and learn the language myself. (just an example because thats the language I'm learning ATM).

It's right up there with all of this PC anti Racist crap.... it totally amazes me how certain groups of people expect to come to our country and have us bend to their every whim and yet when we go to theirs we have to abide by their rules 100% ... it's bollocks and they need to get out of the dark ages and come into the 21st century where men and women are equal, and we don't cut off your hand for stealing a loaf of bread, and its not against the law to show your face or your legs or bugger off back to their own countries.

It only makes me mad because these people expect to be able to bring their traditions and ways with them when we can't do the same in their countries.
who the hell do they think they are and why the hell is our government bowing down to them ?

........ and relax :cool:

Rozabeez · 11-09-2007 03:25PM

Depends on the circumstance

Terry wrote:

I remember hearing about that movie. I'm sure someone here will know the name.

"Yu Ming Is Ainm Dom"

Dyr · 11-09-2007 03:27PM

Exit wrote:

Why do you assume that every immigrant is a chancer?

Why do you assume that i made that assumption?

chopperbyrne · 11-09-2007 03:30PM

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Maybe the problem is that they're only coming into the 20th century when the rest of us are in the 21st!!!!

MooseJam · 11-09-2007 03:31PM

classes is a good idea as long as they are paying for them

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