Superdrol cycle

SpAcEd OuT · 26-08-2007 11:59PM #1

Hey I've been lifting on and off for years, started when I was 13 for Rugby and kept lifting till the end of 6th yr I took a few months off and then started lifting again for the last 2 years so its not as if I'm a beginner.

My stats are

Height ; 6'1
Weight; 15.5 stone
Body fat ; 12 per cent

Lifts
Bench press ; 130kg x 1
Squat ; 150kg x 1 [I'm pretty weak on legs]
Deadlift ; 180kg x 1

My question is do some of the more experienced posters think I am ready to start a superdrol cycle, I feel as if I have reached my peak and I'm finding it hard to add mass or to gain strength

any input would be appreciated

tribulus · 27-08-2007 05:13AM

No, you should be a lot stronger and have an older training age to be considering anabolics.

If you do go down that road do proper and thorough research on all aspects (effects, cost, sources, method used etc.) of it and make absolutely certain there's not something else you're missing such as your diet not being in proper shape, your recovery, warm-up/prehab work etc.

If you're 20(?) and have reached your peak you're fairly f*cked! Seriously, I might sound harsh but you just have to train harder and smarter and sort out your diet and recovery and you'll see progress.

Esse85 · 27-08-2007 03:49PM

What supps have you taken to date?

20 is very young

Can you post up your diet + training routine and we'll see if your missing anything.

Dragan · 27-08-2007 04:32PM

Your only 20 and you think you have reached your peak?

If you feel you have reached you peak find new people to train with, a new environment to train in.

My experience has shown me that these two factors are often a very good reminder that we are not really working half as hard as we think we are.

Hanley · 27-08-2007 06:53PM

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Hey I've been lifting on and off for years, started when I was 13 for Rugby and kept lifting till the end of 6th yr I took a few months off and then started lifting again for the last 2 years so its not as if I'm a beginner.

My stats are

Height ; 6'1
Weight; 15.5 stone
Body fat ; 12 per cent

Lifts
Bench press ; 130kg x 1
Squat ; 150kg x 1 [I'm pretty weak on legs]
Deadlift ; 180kg x 1

My question is do some of the more experienced posters think I am ready to start a superdrol cycle, I feel as if I have reached my peak and I'm finding it hard to add mass or to gain strength

any input would be appreciated

Dude. You don't even pull 2x bodyweight. Seriously. What could POSSIBLY make you think you've reached your peak?? You're almost 100kg. You barely squat 1.5x bodyweight. If you've already reached your genetic ceiling, which imo is bullsh!t (you can always add 1.25kg to the bar, even if it takes a year or 2, you're still progressing. It's slow, but it's progress)

That might all sound a little harsh, and maybe it is. At 20 you've a fairly decent level of strength. Probably far in excess of 95% of the posters here, so in that regard you're at a pretty good level already. What you need to concentrate on now is putting in a year of hard work. Pick a 6 month goal and train your tits off for it. Don't ever underestimate how beneficial hard work is. You might think you're working hard, but you can ALWAYS work harder.

Besides, a cursory google show superdrol as being something that gives "steroid like effects" and while the write up is heavy on superlatives, there's not much actual fact backing it up.

If you want steroid like effects, man up and jab some test in your ass. Don't expect the same results from something you get OTC.

justsomebloke · 28-08-2007 08:42AM

agree completely with Hanley on this one and that is don't knock what Hard work can do.

Read through Hanley's journal if you want to see what sort of dedication he is talking about. There is a reason he is one of the strongest young lifters in Ireland and it is down to a lot of hard work.

Also go with D on this as well in that it might be advisable to move gym or at least get a second gym membership where you are around people who train hard and lift hard. Cause the effects of this will probably last longer then a superdrol cycle

t-ha · 28-08-2007 01:03PM

Superdrol, light on benefits, heavy on side-effects!!

SpAcEd OuT · 29-08-2007 11:31AM

What supps have you taken to date?

.....

Creatine, Protein, Jungle Warfare [gained .5stone off jungle warfare good stuff]

Can you post up your diet + training routine and we'll see if your missing anything.

11am - Oat Porridge, 50grams Protein, Banana
1pm - 2 Fillets of chicken
3pm - big portion of Tuna
5pm - 50g Protein, peanut butter sandwhich
7pm - Steak, Potatoes
9pm - Reasonable portion of Tuna
11pm - Peanut butter sandwhich, 50g Protein

Training
Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Triceps/Biceps
Friday - Shoulders
Saturday - Legs [I do looks twice cause they're so poor]

Chest would be, 4 sets of flat bench press [5-6reps] followed by 1 rep max, 4 sets of dumbell incline press [5-6reps] , 3 sets of Decline bench press [8-10reps], 4 sets of cable crossovers

Back - 5 sets of deadlift [4-6reps], 3 sets of shrugs, Wide grip pulls ups, lat pull downs, dumbell pulls

Legs - 5 sets of squats [8-12reps], 5 sets of leg press [8-12 reps], calf raises [8-12reps], weighted lunges

Triceps - 4 sets of skull crushers [8-10reps], 4 sets of close grip bench press [4-6reps], 4 sets of tricep pull downs [8-10reps], weighted dips, 4 sets of tricep kick backs
Biceps - 5 sets of barbell curls [10-12reps], 4 sets of incline dumbell curls [8-12reps], pull ups, ioscalation curls

Shoulders
4 sets of dumbell shoulder press [8-12reps]
4 sets of Arnie presses [6-8reps]
4 sets of Lateral Raises
Occasionally throw in shrugs as well

If you feel you have reached you peak find new people to train with, a new environment to train in.

Yeah I think you're right my current training partner takes ages to do his lifts and it seems in my gym everyone wants to talk rather than lift, quite annoying when your about to do your set and then someone comes up and starts having a full blown conversation with you

That might all sound a little harsh, and maybe it is. At 20 you've a fairly decent level of strength. Probably far in excess of 95% of the posters here, so in that regard you're at a pretty good level already. What you need to concentrate on now is putting in a year of hard work. Pick a 6 month goal and train your tits off for it. Don't ever underestimate how beneficial hard work is. You might think you're working hard, but you can ALWAYS work harder.

Yeah to be honest I don't feel at all like im lifting as hard as I used to lift when I first started going to the gym I would be in agony the next day nowadays I usually dont feel much the next day so obviously theres a problem there. I quess my way of thinking was if I was on a pro-hormone I would pysche myself up a hell of a lot more and would force myself to go all out because in the back of my mind I will be thinking 'Only 4 weeks to gain as much as physically possible'

If you want steroid like effects, man up and jab some test in your ass. Don't expect the same results from something you get OTC

Yeah I quess the temptation is superdrol is legal here whereas you could get serouisly ****ed if your caught with test. A good few logs on superdrol claim 12-20 pound lean gains so it seems to be pretty good stuff only problem is harsh sides, but obviously in an ideal world I would prefer to take test.

Dragan · 29-08-2007 11:53AM

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

I quess my way of thinking was if I was on a pro-hormone I would pysche myself up a hell of a lot more and would force myself to go all out because in the back of my mind I will be thinking 'Only 4 weeks to gain as much as physically possible'

Your problem is mental, not physical. Taken something for a placebo effect psych up won't solve what the problem is.

Your 20 years old and full of test....you have everything you need on that front bro!

justsomebloke · 29-08-2007 12:51PM

ok first off, have you worked out what the macro breakdown on your food is. As there seems to be quite a large % of protein in it yet there doesn't seem to be that good a selection of good fats in your diet. Also bodyfat wise how important is maintaining the 12%BF level. If it is important to you this could be a mental block which is hindering you gaining for weight for fear of adding more fat.

Also what exactly are your goals and have you done any speific pro programmes in relation to them, like something as simple as german volume training for mass or a 5x5 programme for strength.

I would have to agree with D though I think that it is probably a mental thing that is currently holding you back

Esse85 · 29-08-2007 04:59PM

Your training plan looks fine but your diet needs a lot of work.

Where are the healthy fats apart from PB?

Where is the fruit + veg? I see 1 banana, you need at least 5 portions

Your diet lacks food, mainly carbs.

PB sandwiches twice a day, come on you can do better than this.

I suggest researching a new diet, and post it up again. You focused too much on protein and not enough carbs, fats in your meals.

t-ha · 29-08-2007 06:07PM

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Yeah I quess the temptation is superdrol is legal here

I don't think it is mate. If it's the one I'm thinking of then it's a collection of three oral steroids, with tonnes of liver toxicity and not the best for gains. I've also heard it gives back pumps and sends blood-pressure very high very fast. As with virtually all steroids you'ld want to have PCT in place before starting (proper PCT and not just 6-oxo or one of those).

Just because you have access to it & it comes in pretty packaging doesn't make it harmless.

Hanley · 29-08-2007 06:35PM

t-ha wrote:

I don't think it is mate. If it's the one I'm thinking of then it's a collection of three oral steroids, with tonnes of liver toxicity and not the best for gains. I've also heard it gives back pumps and sends blood-pressure very high very fast. As with virtually all steroids you'ld want to have PCT in place before starting (proper PCT and not just 6-oxo or one of those).

Just because you have access to it & it comes in pretty packaging doesn't make it harmless.

Very good post.

If anything, (and this will sound ridiculous) injectables are "safer" than orals since you're not going to **** up your liver. But of course there's many more things to worry about...

TBH I think you're training too much. I used to train 4/5x a week and while it's fantastic for strenght gains, I actually put on considerably more weight training for 5 or 6 weeks 3x a week. And that was only with 4 or 5 exercises per day. Just go in, hit what you have to hard and get out again. Have a look at my log starting from July 4th or there abouts til maybe 3-4 weeks ago and you'll see what I'm talking about.

EDIT: By the looks of your diet there's FA carbs in there. Sort that out and you should see some fairly rapid gains too.

SpAcEd OuT · 31-08-2007 07:57PM

To be honest I think your right if I'm going to go down that path I might as well do proper injectable roids as their safer to be honest I think I'll give it another 6 months and see where I'm at before trying them.

I know the SD-10 stuff thats being sold here is very harsh on the liver but I was hoping to combat that with loads of milk thistle but if its as bad as people are making out then I don't think I'll bother.

About the carbs I like being lean and was afraid extra carbs raise my bf levels is there any way to add more size without eating lots of carbs

empirix · 31-08-2007 08:09PM

Sorry dude, are you thinking of competitions down the line or something, why the need to hit the juice?, hit your peak my ass!!! Not trying to be smart but your posts smell of an adolescent. Do it the natural way bud!

Hanley · 31-08-2007 10:44PM

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

To be honest I think your right if I'm going to go down that path I might as well do proper injectable roids as their safer to be honest I think I'll give it another 6 months and see where I'm at before trying them.

Oh god you are joking. Right??

6 months??? Try 6 years.

If you can't achieve some of the minimum strength standards that almost every strength athlete should try to achieve without resorting to anabolics, then how the hell are you gonna make progress when you come off the cycle? Up the dosage???

You want to add more size, you want to do it WITHOUT carbs or putting on any excess bf, you want to use anabolics and you want it all NOW.

Dude, do you have any idea how crazy that is?? I'm not trying to lecture but I suggest you think long and hard about your training. If that's the sort of attitude you intend to persist with then you really need to lower your expectations of what you're ever going to achieve.

Roper · 31-08-2007 11:01PM

Testify Hanley!

SpAcEd OuT · 01-09-2007 03:41PM

Hanley wrote:

Oh god you are joking. Right??

6 months??? Try 6 years.

If you can't achieve some of the minimum strength standards that almost every strength athlete should try to achieve without resorting to anabolics, then how the hell are you gonna make progress when you come off the cycle? Up the dosage???

You want to add more size, you want to do it WITHOUT carbs or putting on any excess bf, you want to use anabolics and you want it all NOW.

Dude, do you have any idea how crazy that is?? I'm not trying to lecture but I suggest you think long and hard about your training. If that's the sort of attitude you intend to persist with then you really need to lower your expectations of what you're ever going to achieve.

I'm not training to be a strength athlete I'm merely going for myself and would love to be able to add 14 pounds of lean gains naturally but I am not willing to wait years for those gains when I can do a cycle and have them in a few weeks. To be honest I don't really see the problem I'm 21 so sides will be low, I'll have PCT and support supps and I'm not doing it for strength training or anything. And I have a few friends who have done cycles and they were still able to make gains after just a hell of a lot slower.

As said before I've been going to the gym for years, my diet is good for the gains I want [i.e lean] and the roids will help me to gain size without the fat. Why is it that you have to wait 6-8 years before trying to roids or have to lift X amount are people not worthy to use helpful tools because others say so to be honest in my opinion the only people that shouldn't use roids are people who don't know what they are doing, are under 21 or have literally just started working out, as long as your diet is good, you know what your doing and your training is right then why not.

Thats all if I decide to actually do them which I am still not sure.

Hanley · 01-09-2007 04:21PM

Hanley wrote:

You want to add more size, you want to do it WITHOUT carbs or putting on any excess bf, you want to use anabolics and you want it all NOW.

Off you go.

AlphaMale 3OO · 02-09-2007 10:45AM

Hanley wrote:

Dude, do you have any idea how crazy that is?? I'm not trying to lecture but I suggest you think long and hard about your training. If that's the sort of attitude you intend to persist with then you really need to lower your expectations of what you're ever going to achieve.

Hanley wrote:

If you want steroid like effects, man up and jab some test in your ass. Don't expect the same results from something you get OTC.

Kind of contradicting yourself at this stage aren't you.

Hanley · 02-09-2007 02:54PM

forbesii wrote:

Kind of contradicting yourself at this stage aren't you.

I thought it was clear from EVERYTHING else that I said that the second thing you quoted me on was laced with sarcasm.

But maybe you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. Whatever.

Boru. · 02-09-2007 05:23PM

First off I'm by and large against steroid use, simply becasue there is very little need for it outside of professional bodybuilding (and I don't agree with it there either). One of the main reasons I am against steroid use aside from the significant number of health concerns, is becasue of the attitude exeplified by this poster. In my opinion it smacks of laziness and ignorance.

This is particularly in regards to the comments of wanting to gain 14lbs without putting in any effort and instead using steroids to achieve the result in a quicker time, in this case a few weeks. I can tell you from my personal and professional experience and that of my clients that with proper training, rest and nutrition that you can easily put on between 10-15 lbs in as little as 6 weeks, and stay lean, particualrly if you have not trained intensely prior to this - which I doubt the Op has.

I've easily added that and more in a matter of weeks when necessary and I have a medical condition that limits my protein intake and creatine levels.

Put half the effort you are using to justify a steroid shortcut into your training and you'd have the size you want before a steroid order could arrive.

Reconsider your attitude, reconsider your training approach.

Esse85 · 02-09-2007 06:44PM

Boru. wrote:

Reconsider your attitude, reconsider your training approach.

especially your diet.

empirix · 02-09-2007 10:36PM

Also reconsider getting sensible - the juice aint worth it, you are not competing - why the need? Got your eye on a lady have we, get a grip mate

Jak · 03-09-2007 12:33PM

I'm not going to lock this, but bear in mind that this is not really the place to ask about these things - if you want to follow up more on this line then try a different forum.

A few points to consider:

Your lifts aren't bad, and for your age are quite encouraging, but for your size and weight they are far from impressive. Initially you suggest you have 'peaked' but then later attribute it to impatience. The former is nonsense the latter is the truth. You can take your lifting a lot further without any help. I'd say training intelligence is your biggest problem.

At any age taking the short run solution will likely leave you in a bit of a hole when it is gone. How will you cope when the boost and aggression is gone again? Another cycle? Over time you are more likely to move into a pattern of more regular usage. This will introduce a far higher risk of serious damage. Nobody on the internet or even the person selling to you will give you the tailored advice that Pro's get - nor will they help you if anything goes wrong.

I believe there is a marked difference between guys conditioned over a long training history than those who take an accelerated path. This is anecdotal, but I've seen a few examples which convince me of this.

You aren't competing in anything professionally, and have no good reason that I can see to take something. I can understand - if not agree with - professionals taking juice when they operate on such a high level on such tight performance margins. I find it laughable when amateurs consider the same approach.

Finally, do you have any real concept of what you think will change? 200kg bench? Ripped to shreds? Believe me - not a chance.

JAK.

Superdrol cycle

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