Handicapped parking spaces?...

WindSock · 05-08-2007 04:46PM

Feckin handicaps coming into our country and stealing all our parking spaces.

Karoma · 05-08-2007 04:50PM

Rabble!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-08-2007 04:57PM

boreds wrote:

Feckin handicaps coming into our country and stealing all our parking spaces.

For crying out loud give it over.

Dragan · 05-08-2007 05:06PM

Mairt wrote:

Someone here said something about using the term 'handicapped', I mean't nothing bad by it. I could use 'mobility impaired', 'special needs' and I guess a whole load of other 'nicer P.C.' term's but I don't go out of my way to be P.C. everyone know's what 'Handicapped' is and thats good enough for me.

I wouldn't worry about it. I imagine the issue arises with the perception of those who read it, as opposed to the intentions of the one who wrote it.

"Handicap" is often used as an insult, "mobility impaired" is not. If someone see's the word "handicapped" and instantly see's it as an insult then that is there issue, not yours.

tallus · 05-08-2007 05:13PM

boreds wrote:

Feckin handicaps coming into our country and stealing all our parking spaces.

sorry I feel so bad but I laughed out loud when I read that.

copacetic · 05-08-2007 05:15PM

Cremo wrote:

jaysus i didn't know they got anything free, even parking.

they've got a handy number though with this...

* You are entitled to claim back the Value Added Tax payable on your new car.

* You are entitled to claim back the Vehicle Registration Tax payable on your new car.

* Your will be entitled to free road tax.

* You are entitled to claim back the excise duty on up to 600 gallons of fuel per year.

? Handy number? who are 'they'? you fcuking idiot. a lot of the posts on this thread are sickening.

As for the 'entitlements' you are posting, they are only applicable to specially modified cars. The modifications typically cost more than the tax relief.

actual scheme wrote:

The Disabled Drivers and Disabled Passengers Scheme provides a range of tax reliefs linked to the purchase and use of vehicles by disabled drivers and disabled passengers in Ireland. Under the terms of the scheme, you can claim remission or repayment of vehicle registration tax (VRT), repayment of value-added tax (VAT) on the purchase of a vehicle and repayment of VAT on the cost of adapting a vehicle, up to a maximum of 9,525 euro for a disabled driver and 15,875 euro for a disabled passenger.

Relief is limited to a vehicle that has been specially constructed or adapted for use by a disabled person and that has an engine size of less than 2,000cc in the case of the driver and 4,000cc in the case of the passenger.

If you qualify for tax relief under the scheme, you can also claim repayment of excise duty on fuel used in your vehicle for the transport of a disabled person, up to a maximum of 600 gallons per year. In addition, if you qualify under the scheme, your vehicle may be exempt from the payment of annual road tax on application to a Motor Tax Office. Visit Citizens Information for more information on the Disabled Drivers and Disabled Passengers Scheme.

Sangre · 05-08-2007 05:27PM

Dragan wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. I imagine the issue arises with the perception of those who read it, as opposed to the intentions of the one who wrote it.

"Handicap" is often used as an insult, "mobility impaired" is not. If someone see's the word "handicapped" and instantly see's it as an insult then that is there issue, not yours.

Right on ma nigga!

Karoma · 05-08-2007 05:30PM

copacetic wrote:

? Handy number? who are 'they'? you fcuking idiot. a lot of the posts on this thread are sickening.

Banned.

@micmclo: See? Context, m'lad.

Terrontress · 05-08-2007 09:19PM

PeakOutput wrote:

if they are claiming disability and are unable to work then they should get to park free and claim the tax back on their car and other things people have mentioned.

if they have a regular job like everyone else then they should pay their way like everyone else

How do you expect them to get to work? Public transport in Dublin is bad enough for the able bodied and many people have quite a walk to go to to get to a bus stop or railway station. The alternative then is to stay in the house. By allowing a disabled person to park for free, they are able to contribute to society by paying taxes instead of surviving on social welfare.

Any society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable members and I think that allowing disabled people to park for free and give them special spaces which make buildings more accessible is a fantastic scheme.

Heaven forbid anything should ever happen to you to put you in need of the few concessions afforded to the disabled.

BrianD3 · 05-08-2007 09:36PM

I agree with giving disabled people some extra privileges and help. But what does piss me off is "parent and baby" parking spaces. Why should someone get special treatment just because they choose to bring their little brat to the shops. I will not park in one of these spots if there is another one free - but if the only spot left is a parent and baby one I will park in it and if anyone says anything they can **** right off.

Terry · 05-08-2007 10:47PM

Indeed. Childhood obesity is a growing problem as is.
It wouldn't kill the child to walk an extra few yards.

Victor · 05-08-2007 10:51PM

BrianD3 wrote:

I agree with giving disabled people some extra privileges and help. But what does piss me off is "parent and baby" parking spaces. Why should someone get special treatment just because they choose to bring their little brat to the shops. I will not park in one of these spots if there is another one free - but if the only spot left is a parent and baby one I will park in it and if anyone says anything they can **** right off.

Do you really want a little brat opening the door next to you car?

Froot · 05-08-2007 10:59PM

looksee wrote:

What a pathetic thread, be grateful for your health and mobility you begrudgers, and find something else to carp about.

Those lucky disabled bastards! (begrudgery) :rolleyes:

Agent Smith · 05-08-2007 11:03PM

my mother has on many occasions parked in a mother a child space, claiming she should be aloud, seeing as i'm her child (i'm almost 22)
tbh they are pointless.
disabled spaces make sense tho

Karoma · 05-08-2007 11:04PM

Victor wrote:

Do you really want a little brat opening the door next to you car?

Best argument for these spaces ever!

Second being: It's not for parents with kids that can walk but for parents that need to put a child (Read: Baby) into a buggy or whatever without having every single muppet in the car park driving around them.

We digress...

Gran Hermano · 06-08-2007 12:09AM

'Mother & Baby' parking is what most of my local supermarkets label them,
what a fine example of sexual discrimination.

Red Hand · 06-08-2007 12:17AM

I see very little to get worked up about in this thread as regards disabled people being allowed free parking privilages. Don't agree with the "freeloaders" comments-it doesn't seem that fair to be saying that.

RoyalMarine · 06-08-2007 12:26AM

ill give you an example i saw a few weeks back.

dungarvan shopping centre. i was working as security there.

2 cars were in the disabled parking spots.
both had stickers in them.
both were in date. no problems.

i was in the car park locking the shutters down when a few people came out.

1 person was pushing a wheelchair with a very elderly woman sitting in it. he picked her up, and put her in the car. obviously she cant walk.

the second car with a disabled sticker belonged to a mid 30's male.
he had a cane. but he was wearing a high vis vest, very dirty clothes, and had a pair of snickers on. ( snickers = work pants )
he opened his boot, and what was inside? loads of tools, pipes, etc. the stuff a plumber would have.

i found out, he's a self employed plumber.

now im my opinion, i think he doesnt need the disabled permit.
if he's a plumber, then he works some what hard, and does physical duties.

i saw he had a cane, and walked with a slight limp. but does this allow him to use this facility???

i dont think so.

ali.c · 06-08-2007 12:48AM

Cremo wrote:

jaysus i didn't know they got anything free, even parking.

they've got a handy number though with this...

* You are entitled to claim back the Value Added Tax payable on your new car.

* You are entitled to claim back the Vehicle Registration Tax payable on your new car.

* Your will be entitled to free road tax.

* You are entitled to claim back the excise duty on up to 600 gallons of fuel per year.

As great as that is, i dont think i would trade my mobiltiy for it

or indeed the health of anyone in my family!

However a friend of the family is elderly and has a disabiltiy parking permit, she has no vehicle so her daughter in law has it on her car, the fact that her daughter in law is rarely the one to drive her is a bone of eh contention in the family, but meh some people are just like that.

Doesnt bother me unduly, figure that what goes around comes around and that all of disabled people i have met and worked with are deserving of as much help as we can give them! Sure there are some people who may not need it but i'd imagine its a small minority

arybvtcw0eolkf · 06-08-2007 01:47AM

RoyalMarineComm wrote:

the second car with a disabled sticker belonged to a mid 30's male.
he had a cane. but he was wearing a high vis vest, very dirty clothes, and had a pair of snickers on. ( snickers = work pants )
he opened his boot, and what was inside? loads of tools, pipes, etc. the stuff a plumber would have.

i found out, he's a self employed plumber.

now im my opinion, i think he doesnt need the disabled permit.
if he's a plumber, then he works some what hard, and does physical duties.

i saw he had a cane, and walked with a slight limp. but does this allow him to use this facility???

i dont think so.

Sort of along the lines of a follow on with the mates in the pub tonight.

Sry, I've a few beer's on board, but fine.

Ok, one of the lads work in Dublin Corporation, Fishamble St and gave an example of a lady he works with. He didn't say what her disability was.

She earn's more than he does, and parks on Fishamble St from 8:30am to 6:00pm for free. If he parks on the same street its €2:50 per hour. He say's that €100 per week free parking for the lady. Which is all well and good, but since she's in full time employment why isn't her free parking mean's tested?.

Dunno, so far I can see both side's of the argument.

WindSock · 06-08-2007 01:49AM

Sounds more like he's peed off that a woman earns more than he does

Red Hand · 06-08-2007 02:35AM

Mairt wrote:

Sort of along the lines of a follow on with the mates in the pub tonight.

Sry, I've a few beer's on board, but fine.

Ok, one of the lads work in Dublin Corporation, Fishamble St and gave an example of a lady he works with. He didn't say what her disability was.

She earn's more than he does, and parks on Fishamble St from 8:30am to 6:00pm for free. If he parks on the same street its €2:50 per hour. He say's that €100 per week free parking for the lady. Which is all well and good, but since she's in full time employment why isn't her free parking mean's tested?.

Dunno, so far I can see both side's of the argument.

Mmmmm...how does your mate know that the wages she gets from employment don't have a big chunk used up every week due to her disability?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 06-08-2007 02:45AM

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote:

Mmmmm...how does your mate know that the wages she gets from employment don't have a big chunk used up every week due to her disability?

How so?.

Froot · 06-08-2007 10:44AM

Mairt wrote:

How so?.

Like the expense of paying all the little elves to carry her up the stairs every night. Or reach that always annoying clutch when she is shifting gears...

Guy:Incognito · 06-08-2007 10:57AM

Froot wrote:

Like the expense of paying all the little elves to carry her up the stairs every night. Or reach that always annoying clutch when she is shifting gears...

Maybe she lives in a ground floor apartment or a bungalow? I'd also say its apretty safe bet she drives an auto if shes disabled enough to to serious trouble useing a clutch, why put yourself through added discomfort when a very simple workaround exists.

Froot · 06-08-2007 12:43PM

Stekelly wrote:

Maybe she lives in a ground floor apartment or a bungalow? I'd also say its apretty safe bet she drives an auto if shes disabled enough to to serious trouble useing a clutch, why put yourself through added discomfort when a very simple workaround exists.

Your "very simple workaround" is simply laziness on the disabled persons part which will, obviously, lead to the mass unemployment of elves around the country and will only cause a increase the number of elves on welfare in this country as well as creating a a negative public image of disabled people for elves around Ireland.

Of course your "very simple workaround" is convenient, but the larger picture shows that it has a very high social price tag.

PeakOutput · 06-08-2007 12:53PM

Terrontress wrote:

How do you expect them to get to work?

i assume they will drive to work and park in the disabled spaces as per usual........the difference is that they are earning an income and should pay the same amount for that space as the able bodied person parking beside them

Public transport in Dublin is bad enough for the able bodied and many people have quite a walk to go to to get to a bus stop or railway station. The alternative then is to stay in the house. By allowing a disabled person to park for free, they are able to contribute to society by paying taxes instead of surviving on social welfare.

parking for free has nothing to do with them staying at home or not. I did not suggest the parking spaces are removed or only people claiming social welfare can avail of them i simply said that if they are working they should pay for that parking space

Any society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable members and I think that allowing disabled people to park for free and give them special spaces which make buildings more accessible is a fantastic scheme.

why because it makes the society look good or because it is the fairest way to do things? if someone has been in an accident and lost their foot it is a tragedy and they obviously have a very hard time moving around BUT after a certain amount of healing time there is no reason for them to not return to work if they want to. if they choose to then they should be able to avail of disabled parking but why should they get that space for free when they earn the same amount as the person parking beside them?

Heaven forbid anything should ever happen to you to put you in need of the few concessions afforded to the disabled.

obviously

tampopo · 06-08-2007 03:52PM

Karoma wrote:

: See? Context, m'lad.

more like do as I say, not do as I do....

CathyMoran · 06-08-2007 04:41PM

My father uses the disabled spaces as my mum is severely disabled as the result of a brain haemorrage nearly 3 years ago. She can not even get out of the car by herself let alone walk unaided. Thus I think that disabled parking spaces are essential, especially as they allow for extra room to get the wheelchair out (though I have seen people parking extra close to dad's car making it impossible for dad to get mum back into the car). It is fustrating to see the number of cars without stickers parking in these places.

I recently had the misfortune to need the disabled spaces but was not able to as my disability is short term (I hope), I have extreme chemo and cancer related fatigue. My husband did not have any qualms about parking in the parent and child spaces as I needed it for my health but I would not park in a disabled space.

Hermione* · 06-08-2007 05:01PM

Disabled parking spaces are essential to some people, and not everybody who has the permit gets the other allowances mentioned. As CathyMoran mentioned, there are certain situations in which a permit isn't given. We had one temporarily as my sister was in a wheelchair for a period after a car accident. While she was learning to walk, we were still allowed use the permit as her endurance was so low that she would barely be able to walk around the shop before she would get tired and collapse. Once or twice, my father was heckled by people on the street for parking in disabled spaces when they saw my sister walking to the car, despite the fact that 1)we had a permit 2) we had a wheelchair in the car and 3) at the time, it was very evident that my sister wasn't well. He was really upset by this; the fact that she had to use a wheelchair at all was bad enough, without people giving us a hard time over whatever privileges we were given to try to make things easier for us.

This type of thread annoys me. Why would anybody think that whatever allowances disabled people get compensate for the limits their disability places upon their life? :mad:

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