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Scams

  • 30-07-2007 05:11PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭


    I know theres a lot of scams going around ATM but just wanted peoples opinion here

    I have a phone for sale on a website for 60e- i have had a few interested parties in it but the other day recieved an email from some girl saying she wants to buy the phone for a friend and would need it shipped to south africa- I thought this was reasonable and asked her how much P+P would be for africa and she said "I dont know but ill send you 300 euro just in case"

    Now this seems a bit weird here- 300e for a phone worth 60e- and she wants it shipped to africa- Why cant she just have it sent to her address and she can ship it herself. When i said this to her she said "Oh ill be too busy ive a lot on planning my wedding could you just send me your address"

    Now i feel v weird about this-I cant think of any scam like this cos shes sending me the postal order 1st whichs why she wants the address but i have a really bad feeling about this

    Does this sound like a scam??????????


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    That sounds like an old scam - if I understand it correctly she sends you a cheque for €300 - you cash it and give her the phone and return the cash difference to her. Then 3 weeks later your bank says - that €300 cheque bounced and your screwed. *Least I think thats the way it works.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Poppers1888


    Really sounds like a scam doesnt it! Maybe shes gonna get your address first then next time ask for your bank details to put the money into.
    My bank account was cleared out about 2 months ago - copied card was used in Limerick, still havent got my money back !!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭trout


    pepper wrote:
    Does this sound like a scam??????????

    Scam tbh ... next step would probably for you to arrange a refund, with a little something for your trouble.

    Let's say postage was 80 lids, they say "you keep the 20 lids, and refund us 200."

    Then, they have laundered 200 lids, and implicated you in the transaction.
    That's if the original check doesn't bounce a mile high.:mad:

    My advice ... just walk away... "sorry, the phone is sold. thanks!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭pepper


    well thats the thing she offered a cheque or postal order and i said a postal order

    postal orders as far as i kno dont bounce and u get the money straight away when u hand it in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    I'd still walk away, it sounds mighty dodgey.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Morlar wrote:
    That sounds like an old scam - if I understand it correctly she sends you a cheque for €300 - you cash it and give her the phone and return the cash difference to her. Then 3 weeks later your bank says - that €300 cheque bounced and your screwed. *Least I think thats the way it works.

    That's what I was thinking too. Mate's gf was offered well over the going rate for her car, same kind of deal. But if it's a postal order I can't figure out how this works? Still sounds dodgy. As they say if it looks too good it probably is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭arseagon


    A simple solution is take the €300 Postal order and insist that you're not posting anything until your bank has verified that it has fully cleared. You'll soon find out if it's a scam or not if they agree to this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    zippy28 wrote:
    A simple solution is take the €300 Postal order and insist that you're not posting anything until your bank has verified that it has fully cleared. You'll soon find out if it's a scam or not if they agree to this.

    I think the reason this scam works is that banks will say it has cleared - its only after a longer period of time that they come back to you and say - well actually it didnt clear and they wont take any responsibility for it so its you who will be out of pocket.

    Heres from wikipedia
    "Fraudulent checks and money orders are key elements in many other scams, such as auction/classified listing overpayment, lottery scams, inheritance scams, etc, and can be used in almost any scam when a "payment" to the victim is required to gain, regain or further solidify the victims' trust and confidence in the scheme. A variant of these comes right to the point; the scammer contacts the victim, offering to send them a check that for some reason they cannot cash or deposit themselves, if the victim will cash it and send them a portion of the money. The victim is told to keep a portion of the check's amount (sometimes up to 50%) for their trouble. Many people, even those aware of traditional 419 scams, will fall for this because the person contacting them isn't asking for money, and in fact it's just the opposite; the scammer is offering to send the victim money, no advance fees required.

    The scam hinges on a U.S. law concerning checks; when an account holder presents a check for deposit or to cash, the bank must make the funds available to the account holder within 1-5 business days, regardless of how long it actually takes for the check to clear and funds to be transferred from the issuing bank[6]. The check clearing process normally takes 7-10 days and can in fact take up to a month when dealing with foreign banks.

    The check given to the victim is counterfeit; however that may not become apparent until days or weeks after the victim has seen the funds made available in their account and sent money to the scammer. Once the bank is alerted that the check is fraudulent, the money (and the scammer) are long gone. The bank then turns to the victim to recover the money, removing from their account the amount of the check. In most cases, this puts victims in debt to their banks, and some victims have even been prosecuted for fraud in the scammer's stead, the argument being that the victim "should have known better" than to participate in such a scheme, and thus was a willing conspirator in the fraud.

    Schemes based solely on check cashing will usually offer only a small part of the check's total amount, with the assurance that many more checks will follow; if the victim buys in to the scam and cashes all the checks, the scammer can win big in a very short period of time. Other scams such as overpayment usually deal in smaller amounts, but have a higher success rate as the scammer's request seems more believable."

    _______

    I think what will happen is that whatever they say about sending a postal order you wont be sent an An Post postal order - whatever you are sent will need to be lodged against an account - imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭pepper


    Morlar wrote:

    I think what will happen is that whatever they say about sending a postal order you wont be sent an An Post postal order - whatever you are sent will need to be lodged against an account - imo.

    that just might be it- i dont think shes from ireland- she seems as if shes not even near ireland her english wasnt great and she spelt simple words wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭arseagon


    Morlar wrote:
    I think the reason this scam works is that banks will say it has cleared - its only after a longer period of time that they come back to you and say - well actually it didnt clear and they wont take any responsibility for it so its you who will be out of pocket.
    No what I mean is wait until your bank can say "Yes that money is legitimate, there will be no problem down the line". If the bank say that then it is the banks problem if it bounces so you'll find they'll be pretty thorough in making sure the PO is good. Banks hate losing money ;) . I'd bet a fiver that this girl won't agree to that.


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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 16,186 ✭✭✭✭Maple


    SCAM.

    300 euro for a 60 euro phone. Total scam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭psicic


    Could she be using the wrong conversion rate, or miscommunicated what she was sending?

    300 Rand is about €30


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    zippy28 wrote:
    No what I mean is wait until your bank can say "Yes that money is legitimate, there will be no problem down the line". If the bank say that then it is the banks problem if it bounces so you'll find they'll be pretty thorough in making sure the PO is good. Banks hate losing money ;) . I'd bet a fiver that this girl won't agree to that.

    I am pretty sure that whatever happens the bank wont accept the loss - even if they say it cleared when it subsequently bounces - they will pursue their refund with the account holder regardless. If you read the above paste some people have been sued by their banks for being 'a willing conspirator in the fraud'

    I would google 'african postal order scam' - theres millions of hits - this one stood out as it included 'international postal money orders'

    http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fakemo.htm

    bottom line is its too good to be true - if you keep thinking about it you might be able to rationalise it for yourself to go along with it but its still a scam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    It is a scam and a well known scam at that. Quite common on eBay.

    Someone has already explained it. Cons work on you thinking your making more money then you should. We have various ones listed on the wiki.

    http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Scams


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    Mate of mine who's selling a car had the same thing. Cheque to ship it to South Africa. There must be enough dumbasses who go for it to make it worth their while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    Yep, it's a scam alright, a very common one at that too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭pepper


    I emailed her and said 300e for a phone of 60e quid was ridiculious and asked what she was playing at and this was her reply...


    "hello
    ok send the postage cost because i dont know the postage cost":rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I think it's time for a wind-up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    pepper banned - ban evasion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭BENJAMIN61


    i hate them


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