Arsenal Predictions

patrickc · 23-07-2007 01:16AM

PHB wrote:

Van Persie is he stays fit will defo get 15+ goals next season, just look at last seaons form for that. One player who can do that is all you need. Hell look at United last season, one player got over 15 goals in the league. He was a midfielder.
Goals come from everywhere on the pitch, especially for a team like Arsenal who play real attacking football.

It's not like Liverpool or Chelsea where the attack is organised in such a way you need a player like Drogba to chip in with 20+ goals to win the league. In a footballing style like Arsenal, the goals come from everywhere. Van Persie can chip in 15+ It won't surprise me in the slightest to see Eduardo knock in 15 goals next season. Gilberto to knock in about 10, Adebayor to knock in 7-10. With Toure and Gallas knocking in 2 or 3 each, they will defo score enough to win the league. The only area they are missing goals from is the wings, but Rosicky should have adjusted now and gotten better, and surely Hleb has to be better than last year. The question is imo, will they defend well enough

id give gallas if he stops being a sulky child a good few more than 2/3 goals.. defence erm lets hope and keep our fingers crossed..

PHB · 23-07-2007 01:21AM

Well, I think the problem was in the full back areas. If Sagna works out,

Sagna-Gallas-Toure-Clichy is pretty darn impressive. Clichy is clearly the weak link, but it's a fantastic central defence

maxi-twist · 23-07-2007 12:27PM

PHB wrote:

Appearances : 104
Goals : 73

Thats unbelieveable! I revoke my previous statement!

PHB · 23-07-2007 12:31PM

I know it's scary stats, no matter what the level of the league. But the stats he has for his country show he's just a natural goalscorer, it doesn't matter who he is playing

AnCapaillMor · 23-07-2007 12:32PM

Question is, can he handle the more physical nature of the premiership.

Pepe LeFrits · 23-07-2007 12:34PM

AnCapaillMor wrote:

Question is, can he handle the more physical nature of the premiership.

lol, he has come from the Croatian league. He is not starting a career in the ultimate fighting championship.

It is the pace of the league that he needs to adapt to.

PHB · 23-07-2007 12:35PM

That's always the question with imports

Can they handle the strength and tempo of the premiership? Thing is, Arsenal in general don't play a physical game, so it'll be easier for him to settle in than say Shevchenko or Torres.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 23-07-2007 12:38PM

maxi-twist wrote:

Thats unbelieveable! I revoke my previous statement!

Last year he also had the highest number of assists in the Croatian league as well as finishing with 34 goals in 32 matches, so hopefully he'll manage to at least not miss all those sitters á la Ade and Baptista, surely?. But sure we won't know how he's going to do really in the end in the premiership.

PHB, I think Clichy is great and with Traore making excellent progress the left back position isn't really in any trouble at all in my eyes. Don't know why you have a problem with Eboue, sure last year didn't he keep Ronaldo quiet;) The problem with the defence is that Gallas and Toure are too similar

PHB · 23-07-2007 12:48PM

playa3 wrote:

PHB, I think Clichy is great and with Traore making excellent progress the left back position isn't really in any trouble at all in my eyes. Don't know why you have a problem with Eboue, sure last year didn't he keep Ronaldo quiet;) The problem with the defence is that Gallas and Toure are too similar

I think Clichy is good, not top quality, nowhere near as good as say Cole (which you really need to be challenging)
My problem with Eboue is the same problem I had with Lauren. He is a cracking footballer, but defensively, there are big question marks imo.
I'd think Gallas and Toure can work together, they just didn't get a chance to gel last year.

Pepe LeFrits · 23-07-2007 01:13PM

Clichy was 3rd or 4th in Arsenal's player of the year last season which shows how he performed last season. There was **** all difference between him and the other LBs in the premiership.

There was however never any consistency in the CB pairing and Eboue was injured a lot, and he's never been great defensively even when he has been fit. Hopefully Sagna will solve that problem, but I'm not sure about Gallas/Toure.

~Rebel~ · 23-07-2007 01:18PM

AnCapaillMor wrote:

Question is, can he handle the more physical nature of the premiership.

Well, he's played against 2 english style defences, Arsenal in the champions league, and England in a Euro qualifier, and scored against both so looks to be somewhat suited to it.

DSB · 23-07-2007 01:24PM

3rd place for Arsenal this season. They'll probably get through the CL groups but not much further. FA Cup is so difficult to predict. They could get Chelsea or something in the Third Round and that could be it. At least the CL is seeded and therefore far more easy to predict.

thebaz · 23-07-2007 06:47PM

My prediction is that arsenal will flop this year ...
with lyunberg joining henry , through the revolving door, nearly every team in the premiership is stronger , bar arsenal .. and with the boardroom crisis alive and kicking , today directors saying theres no problem and all is ok , while the experienced lyunberg leaves .... with the likelihood becoming less and less of a return of dein, i predict wegner to leave before the year is out and arsenal to muck about with ourselves (everton) , boro and villa in mid table.

Mitch Connor · 23-07-2007 06:55PM

there is an arsenal predictions thread.....

Wenger won't leave mid season - it simply won't happen

Mossy Monk · 23-07-2007 06:58PM

thebaz wrote:

while the experienced lyunberg leaves

Who was **** last season so he is no real loss at all.

Chong · 23-07-2007 07:01PM

Agreed, people are truly underestimating the gooners, Ljungberg was crap last season as Mossy said, and Henry was injured for most of last year. They still finished 3rd.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 23-07-2007 07:06PM

Agreed, Ljunberg was shite for the past two years and at least now maybe a new winger will come in

Raskolnikov · 23-07-2007 09:15PM

Premiership - 5th
FA Cup - who knows, who cares
Champions League - Group Stages

Money talks in football and as Arsenal found out last season, you simply cannot rest on your laurels and expect to compete for the Premier League. Arsene is a fantastic manager and if he proves me wrong then he cements his reputation as one of the greatest in the world.

thebaz · 23-07-2007 11:09PM

while i agree lyunberg has been pretty crap recently , where is the bottle and experience going to come from , particularly up north, on dirty wet nights -- i just see arsenal great young players , collapsing without any old heads ... keown, dixon, adams, viera ... with henry and lyunberg gone , whilst hardly hard men , at leat they were experinced .. sorry i see a crisis this season, and there is only so much wegner will take .

Necronomicon · 23-07-2007 11:13PM

It's so hard to call. As people say, Arsenal can just turn it on in their day and rip any team apart. I don't think Henry's departure will affect them badly, but I still think they could be caught out in the same places as always - who'll take the game by the scruff of the neck when they're playing a Bolton or a Blackburn and have to match them phsyically?

I dunno, I'm not gonna call it! I think Eduardo could be a great signing, and if Van Persie stays fit, with all the younger players another year older, who knows.

PHB · 23-07-2007 11:15PM

thebaz wrote:

sorry i see a crisis this season, and there is only so much wegner will take .

That makes no sense. Henry was injured for most of last season, and Lnunberg was shocking last season. They didn't help get any results last year, so why would a crisis happen this year?

gandalf · 23-07-2007 11:47PM

Right I have held my tongue up until now but I am actually very optimistic for the coming season. Arsenal are 10-1 on Paddypower to win the league, thats a bargain imho. Last season Arsenal were set up to play to Henry's strenghts who when fit was not his normal self. Then you had all the other injuries and Freddy well past his best we were not in a position to challange.

The only weak player I see is Hleb who really huffs and puffs alot and then loses the ball. Walcott needs to step up now and live up to the hype. I have a feeling this could be his season. I believe De Silva could be a key player, Arsenal have been crying out for a poacher for years now. I think he could be the man. He is used to tough tackling defenders in the Croatian League so the physical side shouldn't be an issue. Van Persie needs to stay fit.

OK I am going to say it. I think we can take the League, the biggest threat is United.

PHB · 23-07-2007 11:54PM

You can get them at 12-1 on betfair.com
This might be worth a few punt, would defo soften the loss if it happened

GuanYin · 24-07-2007 04:00AM

PHB? Are you a closet Arsenal fan all of a sudden?

I think anyone who writes Arsenal off is rather foolish, they have alot of young talent and more than enough experience in Gilberto, Fabregas (he has three seasons and a CL campaign that went to the final) under his belt now, Gallas, Toure and Lehman. Thats a fairly experienced spine to any team.

Add to that Van Persie, who on the basis of last season looks an incredible world class talent, and you have an experienced spine that is about as good as any in the league.

There are a few solid players then in Clichy, Ebouem Diaby, Senderos, Rosicky, Djourou and Flamini.

Then you have the potential of Walcott, Denilson and Eduardo.... any of whom could breakthrough as an outstanding player and you have the makings of a championship team.

Add to that the fact the team are playing to keep Wenger AND they have no pressure in terms of expectation.... I fancy Arsenal to do very well.

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2007 09:35AM

Gay, boards chewed my post. I can't be arsed typing it all out again.

Anyway, Arsenal are fine. To summarise; there is no crisis, that's lazy tabloid bull**** created to sell papers. Henry is a loss, but not a huge loss like he would have been 2 seasons ago. Eduardo could very easily fit Arsenal's new style of play a lot better. Arsenal have a lot of young players who cruised to 4th place last season, and they will get better. Arsenal have a lot of players who were injured last season, and they may not be injured again this year. The teams below Arsenal haven't really strengthened that much either.

marius · 24-07-2007 02:59PM

I really feel Arsenal could go either way this season, the younger players could push on, a few of them could really develop into great players and they have a few old heads around to help them along. They could also ship a few injuries to key players (Fabregas or Gilberto would be a huge blow as would Toure - imagine if two of that three were injured!) and they could genuinely be in danger of dropping out of the top 4.

They will not win the league though - just compare their team to say UTD's....how many Arsenal players would get into UTD's first 11? Fabregas....and....??? I am genuinely open to arguement and not fishing but I cant think of many others who would deffo get past their UTD counterpart....I guess Toure could probably get ahead of Vidic....any others? Possibly Van Persie - but if UTD get Tevez then deffo no......
I certainly wont be putting money on them even at 12-1.....i'd probably lay them at that price....

thebaz · 24-07-2007 03:29PM

PHB wrote:

That makes no sense. Henry was injured for most of last season, and Lnunberg was shocking last season. They didn't help get any results last year, so why would a crisis happen this year?

No sense !!!

Liverpool and United have both considerably strengthened there squads, whilst Chelsea had the stongest squad last season , which is pretty much in tact.
Arsenal get rid of there best player, and the one thing they needed was muscle and experience , for those wet trips up north -- and sorry there new signings don't strike me of the kind to to put fear into blackburn and everton etc.
The political fallout within the boardroom won't help , the battle between new and no money ! Unless Dein returns , Wegner will be gone before the season is out !

GuanYin · 24-07-2007 03:35PM

thebaz wrote:

Wegner will be gone before the season is out !

thebaz, I'm now beginning to think you're a troll and here is why.

Wenger, as has been pointed out many times, has NEVER left a job without honouring his contract to the end. He has said he will honour his contract to the end.

With this in mind, you coming along and saying he'll leave before the season just looks to me (the forum mod and NOT an Arsenal fan) like you're trying to provoke.

Please explain why, given that Wenger has honoured every contract he's ever had and publicly stated he will honour this one, that he will be gone before the season is out.

thebaz · 24-07-2007 04:20PM

psi wrote:

thebaz, I'm now beginning to think you're a troll and here is why.

Wenger, as has been pointed out many times, has NEVER left a job without honouring his contract to the end. He has said he will honour his contract to the end.

With this in mind, you coming along and saying he'll leave before the season just looks to me (the forum mod and NOT an Arsenal fan) like you're trying to provoke.

Please explain why, given that Wenger has honoured every contract he's ever had and publicly stated he will honour this one, that he will be gone before the season is out.

I actually like watching the football arsenal play under wegner, and think he is the best manager along with ferguson.
He has less than one year on his contract, his best player leaves, his closest contact on the board leaves, he is given (relativly) little tranfer funds to spend, and there seams to be a serious boardroom rift ... so if that makes me a troll for predicting mid table mediocrity , for arsenal , so be it !!!

Mr Alan · 24-07-2007 04:35PM

marius wrote:

I really feel Arsenal could go either way this season, the younger players could push on, a few of them could really develop into great players and they have a few old heads around to help them along. They could also ship a few injuries to key players (Fabregas or Gilberto would be a huge blow as would Toure - imagine if two of that three were injured!) and they could genuinely be in danger of dropping out of the top 4.

They will not win the league though - just compare their team to say UTD's....how many Arsenal players would get into UTD's first 11? Fabregas....and....??? I am genuinely open to arguement and not fishing but I cant think of many others who would deffo get past their UTD counterpart....I guess Toure could probably get ahead of Vidic....any others? Possibly Van Persie - but if UTD get Tevez then deffo no......
I certainly wont be putting money on them even at 12-1.....i'd probably lay them at that price....

i would take Van Persie over Tevez every day of the week to be honest.

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