Dad's terror after taking son's name from bonfire

projectmayhem · 14-07-2007 01:50AM

are we all out of ideas on how to float the north out to sea?

nesf · 14-07-2007 01:56AM

DarkJager wrote:

But the problem is they won't be ashamed of their actions. If it was the reverse, as Mushy said, they'd go on about predjudice and the usual ****. I'd go as far to say that if somebody offered me a button that would wipe every single loyalist off the face of the earth, I'd push it without a second thought.

Seriously, if you wish to continue posting on here tone it down. Advocating violence is one of those no-no's.

And, some of you seem to need reminding there's plenty of blood on both sides. Take off the blinkers and look at the larger picture.

14-07-2007 08:52AM

nesf wrote:

And, some of you seem to need reminding there's plenty of blood on both sides. Take off the blinkers and look at the larger picture.

Yes! that point DOES need to be driven home from time to time.

Especially as we are now rapidly approaching the fortieth anniversary of the "troubles" starting, the majority of people currently involved in sectarian violence weren't even born when this all started.

2 stroke · 14-07-2007 09:47AM

What needs to be done is to take the blinkers off the people of northern Ireland.
While visiting up there a few years ago I decided to buy a local newspaper. Visited a newsagent and found 2 local newspapers??? I decided to buy both. The girl at the checkout looked at me as if I had 2 heads. It seamed as if nobody had ever bought both papers before.
Back in the hotel I compared both papers, almost the same topics in each paper but reported on from different sides.
My conclusion there are 2 groups of people up there, that are so unwilling to see the other sides point of view that they won't even read the same newspaper.

14-07-2007 09:54AM

2 stroke wrote:

My conclusion there are 2 groups of people up there, that are so unwilling to see the other sides point of view that they won't even read the same newspaper.

The middle ground is a lonely place.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 14-07-2007 01:09PM

Just one thing -

Is there a link for this story ? All I'm getting on google is

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2763600.ece

belfast telegraph wrote:

Meanwhile, the Catholic father of a teenage boy who died recently from heart disease, has been left devastated after his son's name was placed on top of a bonfire in Coleraine.

Peter Neil's son Aaron Neil (16) died two weeks ago. His name and the name of another local youth, also a Catholic who died last year, were daubed on some carpet alongside a slogan stating "Who's next?"

I can't find an article for the bit about threats recieved from loyalists or about the safehouses.

I want to use the article for an argument with a loyalist & he doesn't believe me.

Thank you.

14-07-2007 01:22PM

Here is a comment from the bbc news site fixed link

edit: the irishnews web site also carries the article, can't see the details as a subscription is required.

dlofnep · 14-07-2007 01:23PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote:

Just one thing -

Is there a link for this story ? All I'm getting on google is

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2763600.ece

I can't find an article for the bit about threats recieved from loyalists or about the safehouses.

I want to use the article for an argument with a loyalist & he doesn't believe me.

Thank you.

http://www.irishnews.com/

Search for peter neil on there, you'll find the article. But you have to sign up to see it.

axer · 14-07-2007 01:42PM

DarkJager wrote:

If loyalists (regardless of how many of them cause the trouble) want to act like this, then why should we welcome any of their parades or other crap that they want to bring to the republic? Maybe we should play them at their own game and start burning the names of dead loyalists and the union jack on bonfires down here?

and that is pretty much how 30 years of trouble up north started!

14-07-2007 01:59PM

A bit of bedtime reading for those interested in History

When did the conflict begin?
Even with almost 40 years of hindsight there is no absolute agreement on the date of the start of the recent violent conflict in Northern Ireland. A number of dates have been used by different writers: the Civil Rights March in Derry - 5 October 1968; the beginning of the 'Battle of the Bogside' - 12 August 1969; the Deployment of British Troops - 14 August 1969; or the re-emergence of the UVF in 1966. (Non-violent conflict - political conflict, economic conflict, cultural conflict, etc., - has been a feature of society in the region since the early part of the 17th century. On numerous occasions this conflict has resulted in periods of serious and sustained violence.)

With hatrid and distrust this deeprooted, there may never be true peace.
Just look at Sectarianism in Glasgow at Celtic - Rangers football matches

Stark · 14-07-2007 02:14PM

Deleted User wrote:

With hatrid and distrust this deeprooted, there may never be true peace.
Just look at Sectarianism in Glasgow at Celtic - Rangers football matches

Ah yeah, but soccer louts are a breed of their own. Sure look at the typical "Bohemians vs Rovers" debates on Irish soccer forums.

luckat · 14-07-2007 02:20PM

Police last night said they were dismayed that anyone would use Aaron’s death to raise community tensions.

A spokesman said police checked the Harpur’s Hill site but nothing was found.

However, officers later removed “similar items” bearing Aaron’s name from bonfires at Harpur’s Hill and Ballysally

This is the best news I've seen: the cops, originally being lazy in the way of cops around the world, actually did take action in the end.

Putting the kid's name on the banner was bullying. Not a lot to do with politics, just thuggery, from the sound of it - though the thugs used their local resentment as an excuse for their nastiness.

But isn't it great that the PSNI, once so sectarian a force, actually did go and take down these banners?

axer · 14-07-2007 02:27PM

luckat wrote:

Putting the kid's name on the banner was bullying. Not a lot to do with politics, just thuggery, from the sound of it - though the thugs used their local resentment as an excuse for their nastiness.

Its a bit more than bullying when its a dead catholic's name put on a bonfire to be burnt by unionists/loyalists.

Stark · 14-07-2007 02:29PM

Not just the Nordies who are into bigoted thuggery:

http://www.examiner.ie/story/?jp=MHQLCWIDAU&cat=Ireland

Erin Go Brath · 14-07-2007 02:35PM

the_syco wrote:

Been to Limerick lately?

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Yep, I'm from there as it happens. We don't burn flags i can assure you. Most of the drug scum in the city have been put away, but everywhere has some social problems. Not even remotely comparable to the hate and troubles in the North.

luckat · 14-07-2007 02:46PM

Bullying is bullying, whatever the target. It's basically exactly the same to bully someone because they're freckled, Catholic, glasses-wearing, Jewish, black, Protestant, lisping, oil-owning Arab, female, capitalist American, etc, etc.

It's just what inadequate, violent people do.

Red Hand · 14-07-2007 06:31PM

luckat wrote:

Bullying is bullying, whatever the target. It's basically exactly the same to bully someone because they're freckled, Catholic, glasses-wearing, Jewish, black, Protestant, lisping, oil-owning Arab, female, capitalist American, etc, etc.

It's just what inadequate, violent people do.

QFT. It makes me pretty sad to see that sh*te happening. Forget about "British pysche's"-whoever mentioned that above needs to take a look at what Irish people can do.

Orange69 · 14-07-2007 06:49PM

the_syco wrote:

Been to Limerick lately?

Seems that we have some dumb ignorant bigotry down in the south as well eh? :rolleyes:

damonjewel · 14-07-2007 07:05PM

This is the usual ****e I have come to expect from Loyalist gougers that think its funny to burn the name of poor kid who died tragically; and well done to his Dad who had the mettle to take it down.

I dont care what these inbreds do, but the silence from the 'respectful orange community' says it all.

Tchocky · 14-07-2007 07:07PM

Here comes the giant tar brush......

Hagar · 14-07-2007 07:18PM

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote:

Forget about "British pysche's"-whoever mentioned that above needs to take a look at what Irish people can do.

I did and I stand over it. There is a streak of arrogance that can be found in the people of colonial powers. It is a disdain for weaker nations, a contempt for the conquered and a hatred for those who refuse to be conquered. You can see it in the Americans, you can see it in the British, or should I say more correctly the English, as the Scots and Welsh are long since conquered nations. The English barely conceal their scorn for their fellow Britons.

But that's only my opinion.
Please feel free to ignore it.
It's a free country after all.

Red Hand · 14-07-2007 07:28PM

Hagar wrote:

I did and I stand over it. There is a streak of arrogance that can be found in the people of colonial powers. It is a disdain for weaker nations, a contempt for the conquered and a hatred for those who refuse to be conquered. You can see it in the Americans, you can see it in the British, or should I say more correctly the English, as the Scots and Welsh are long since conquered nations. The English barely conceal their scorn for their fellow Britons.

But that's only my opinion.
Please feel free to ignore it.
It's a free country after all.

Everyone? All...whatever-40 million English? Or the governments of such countries? Or Nationalism full stop?

14-07-2007 07:32PM

Hagar wrote:

The English barely conceal their scorn for their fellow Britons.

.

There is an element of truth in that, but then again what about Dubliners opinion of culchies :rolleyes: .

As for Norm Iron, most English (almost all) would love to lose it as it is such a drain on the economy, as well as right royal PITA.

lostexpectation · 14-07-2007 08:43PM

Tchocky wrote:

Here comes the giant tar brush......

and the loyalists with the feathers

marco murphy · 14-07-2007 09:18PM

These bonfires should be banned really. Among other things they always contain banners as such or pictures of Micky-Bo who was murdered because of his religion. These bonfire events turn into a mad binge drink, and always results in a UVF display among other things.

darkman2 · 14-07-2007 10:33PM

One thing I find about these organised burnings of the Tri colour.

This is the flag of a sovereign European state and those Unionists in the north in government actively support and encourage this type of thing on 'the 12th'.......which makes me wonder if Switzerland actively encourage its citizens to burn French flags under the auspicious of 'tradition' and had a special date for it every year - I wonder what would happen?

As for NI being un-civilised - Its a fact of life unfortunately.

gaius c · 15-07-2007 02:14AM

ejmaztec wrote:

I think that they are making up their "traditions" as they go along. I heard a couple of nights ago that it has been a long-standing "tradition" to burn tyres. Not only are they morons. they're also out to destroy the environment.

Anyone who wears a bowler hat and has a long-dead non-English speaking Dutch hero - must be certifiable.

Don't forget to remind them that he was bisexual.
Nothing against bisexual people myself but I think plenty of his followers would. I look forward to gay pride taking place on the 12th next July!

I'm actually just back from the north. The marches are over but the flags are still out. Fairly intimidating stuff so we only stopped in flag-free towns. Giant's Causeway and the rest of the coast is great. Ballintoy harbour is a gem of a place.

marco murphy · 15-07-2007 06:21PM

All the flags along the way up are brand spanking new. Seen the odd UVF flag but not as many.

Can anyone confirm when the tire was invented? Did Dunlop or Bridgestone have contact with King William?

15-07-2007 06:46PM

Poblachtach wrote:

All the flags along the way up are brand spanking new. ?

Last years are in the fire (extra smoke)

Poblachtach wrote:

Can anyone confirm when the tire was invented? Did Dunlop or Bridgestone have contact with King William?

Part of the answer here

Q, Why tyres?
A, the dutch word for tyre is BAND

So they have bands plating and band(en) in the fire!

Anyway they have to pay to dispose of old tyres, let the orangemen dispose of them for free.

marco murphy · 15-07-2007 09:01PM

Expect Loyalists to be oppressed if the Green Party ever get into government in the six counties.

Dad's terror after taking son's name from bonfire

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