Live Earth

philstar · 22-06-2007 07:09PM

Mushy wrote:

It was a raffle for tickets...long gone now. Although I'm sure e-bay has some.

so they were free??

Beekay · 23-06-2007 01:34PM

lordgoat wrote:

How can you miss the point? the point is you are going to a concert to promote awareness against Climate Change and Global Warming and you are flying to it. Flying is one of the worst causes of carbon emmissions and the 2 people who take the plane are in my eyes complete hypocrites.

Em....what about all the bands that will be flying in to do this concert? All of their gear and crew will be flying in also. These are bands with their own personal private jets etc.
So they get a big plane to bring themselves to the gig and many other gigs around the world all the time, yet you are accusing people of being hypocrites if they take a flight over to the uk, it would be better if they got the plane than the plane making the journey ANYWAY and it not being full.It's a waste then. The same amount of emissions are put out into the atmosphere for a plane that isn't even going to be full?

lordgoat · 23-06-2007 02:26PM

http://liveearth.org/?p=81

Ok it really tales very little to find out information about events. First of all any artist that is playing at this concert is already in the UK as part of a tour(i'm not sure about this), and all travel by promotors/artists/workers is being offset not the ideal solution but it's the only option at the moment.

This isn't the main point. In order to creat awareness there has to be some kind of trade off. If the infuence this concert has on the crowd is to live in a more greener way, then it would be worth the flight emissions.

And yes what else can you call someone who flies to a concert about climate change awareness other than a hypocrite?
Flying is the greatest cause of carbon emissions. The stupid, and it is completely stupid, argument that 'the plane is going anyway so i can't make a difference' is the laziest and easiest cop out answer. Do you think the planes would keep flying if people decided to not use them for a couple of weeks? Would it take off with no people on board.

The fact is everyone has to do their part. You can't be responsible for other people only yourselves. In 10-15 years time when air travel is ridicously expensive and people are affected in their everday lives by the planet, when your children are wondering why you didn't do things when you had a chance i hope you'll be happy saying - oh but i went to a concert about this once.

Beekay · 23-06-2007 03:19PM

lordgoat wrote:

http://liveearth.org/?p=81

First of all any artist that is playing at this concert is already in the UK as part of a tour(i'm not sure about this), and all travel by promotors/artists/workers is being offset not the ideal solution but it's the only option at the moment.

This isn't the main point. In order to creat awareness there has to be some kind of trade off. If the infuence this concert has on the crowd is to live in a more greener way, then it would be worth the flight emissions.

And yes what else can you call someone who flies to a concert about climate change awareness other than a hypocrite?
Flying is the greatest cause of carbon emissions. The stupid, and it is completely stupid, argument that 'the plane is going anyway so i can't make a difference' is the laziest and easiest cop out answer. Do you think the planes would keep flying if people decided to not use them for a couple of weeks? Would it take off with no people on board.

The fact is everyone has to do their part. You can't be responsible for other people only yourselves. In 10-15 years time when air travel is ridicously expensive and people are affected in their everday lives by the planet, when your children are wondering why you didn't do things when you had a chance i hope you'll be happy saying - oh but i went to a concert about this once.

Even if artists are already on tour in UK they still use planes on every tour they do travelling to different countries etc....thus making them hypocrites
Would it not be worth it for people to get to the concert by plane and then the concert may change their perspective about global warming etc., this may lead them to never using planes as a method of transport again in their lives...is this not a worthwhile trade off?

And just because the gig is to raise awareness for global warming etc. does not mean everyone going is there to support the cause, they could just be fans of bands playing which would not make them hypocrites.

Demonique · 23-06-2007 03:32PM

Mossy Monk wrote:

How should people get to it?

You can go by bus, Bus Eireann has services (via ferry) to the UK

You can drive and take the ferry

You can take the ferry and then take a bus or train in the UK

lordgoat · 23-06-2007 04:03PM

Beekay wrote:

Even if artists are already on tour in UK they still use planes on every tour they do travelling to different countries etc....thus making them hypocrites
Would it not be worth it for people to get to the concert by plane and then the concert may change their perspective about global warming etc., this may lead them to never using planes as a method of transport again in their lives...is this not a worthwhile trade off?

And just because the gig is to raise awareness for global warming etc. does not mean everyone going is there to support the cause, they could just be fans of bands playing which would not make them hypocrites.

Are you actually serious?? I don't even know where to begin with this if you actully can not see how flying to 'this'particular concert is completely against what it stands for, you need to go and figure that out. And while you are at it look up the definition of hypochrisy.

You have to be realisitic in your opinion and approach, mucscians need to travel as part of their job, recently many bands travel as eco-friendly as possible. This is what needs to be done. I'm not saying that all flight is evil and no one shouldever fly, that's impossible and unreasonable. But it should be not be something you do without thinking of the long term consequences.

Go the website for this concert read what it says there. Become more informed. Don't just say - it's all about the music. This time it's not.

To anyone flying here, i urge you to announce the fact you flew over there, tell people you think it's ok to fly, just to see what kind of reaction you get. I'm honestly curious to see what would be said.

Beekay · 23-06-2007 09:57PM

lordgoat wrote:

Are you actually serious?? I don't even know where to begin with this if you actully can not see how flying to 'this'particular concert is completely against what it stands for, you need to go and figure that out. And while you are at it look up the definition of hypochrisy.

You have to be realisitic in your opinion and approach, mucscians need to travel as part of their job, recently many bands travel as eco-friendly as possible. This is what needs to be done. I'm not saying that all flight is evil and no one shouldever fly, that's impossible and unreasonable. But it should be not be something you do without thinking of the long term consequences.

Go the website for this concert read what it says there. Become more informed. Don't just say - it's all about the music. This time it's not.

To anyone flying here, i urge you to announce the fact you flew over there, tell people you think it's ok to fly, just to see what kind of reaction you get. I'm honestly curious to see what would be said.

you have completely ignored the point i made of how it could work in benifit if people flew over. I never said it was all about the music, but for many people it could be and they don't give a toss about the environment.

You have to realise not everyone is of the same opinion as you and may not care why this concert is on but just that a band they like is playing at it.

And i think if people here are flying over just for the reason to see bands they like then let it be, you ain't gonna be able stop it. And there is a chance they may have their mentality changed after the gig which i think is a positive thing.

lordgoat · 23-06-2007 11:41PM

Beekay wrote:

you have completely ignored the point i made of how it could work in benifit if people flew over. I never said it was all about the music, but for many people it could be and they don't give a toss about the environment.
And i think if people here are flying over just for the reason to see bands they like then let it be, you ain't gonna be able stop it. And there is a chance they may have their mentality changed after the gig which i think is a positive thing.

I didn't ignore it i asked if you were serious. Do you realy believe that could be something that could happen. Maybe i'm too much of a pessimist to think it could be. So i can see your point though i do not think it realisitic.

You say that people are only interested in the concert ergo it is all about the music for them.

I know i'm not able to stop it i am however going to point it out that them going over is against the principles of the event. And in my opinion that's hypochrisy. I understand that people are entitled to their opinion and it will certainly will be contrary to mine in alot of instances. I'm ok with that. This is an issue i feel extremely stongly about and my main point is there are alternatives to air travel to get there and to actually find out more about the event and what it stands for rather than i'm going to see a gig in london... cool

Mossy Monk · 25-06-2007 12:50PM

Demonique wrote:

You can go by bus, Bus Eireann has services (via ferry) to the UK

You can drive and take the ferry

You can take the ferry and then take a bus or train in the UK

All of which expel emmissions. What's your point exactly? Unless boats cars and the bus all run on fresh air now.

lordgoat · 25-06-2007 02:56PM

Mossy Monk wrote:

All of which expel emmissions. What's your point exactly? Unless boats cars and the bus all run on fresh air now.

True, but planes produce (i can't remember the exact figure) i think 7 times more carbon, it's in a previous post. It is also to do with where in the atmosphere they are released. Why else do you think their is such a problem with air-travel? You need to find out more before making sweeping statements.

Dotcomdolly · 29-06-2007 11:28AM

Regarding Tickets fro Live earth. has anyone in Ireland got theirs yet? People in uk seem to have but not here? Anyone got a firm date from Ticketmaster. I couldn't go on & sold mine on to someone in uk so am now panicking that they won't get them in time

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 29-06-2007 11:54AM

lordgoat wrote:

First of all that isn't irony. And anyone flying to this really needs to take a long look ata themselves. It's appalling that someone would fly to this.

so....people should cycle to the cost, row a boat to the uk, then cycle to london?

lordgoat · 29-06-2007 03:43PM

Alena Dry Vaseline wrote:

so....people should cycle to the cost, row a boat to the uk, then cycle to london?

It's their decision, i'm just pointing out that it's quite hypocritical to fly to this concert.

But your suggestion is like the average person that doesn't really concern themselves with anything that doesn't directly affect their daily lives. Pointless sarcasm and let someone else fix it. Typical and useless. Two fitting words i think.

standbyme · 01-07-2007 10:09PM

I was just noticing the tv mag for next sat, & noticed RTE2 are showing 16.5 hrs coverage compared to the BEEB's 8-hours?

RTE2 start their coverage from 8am from Sydney, while the Beeb start their's @ 5.30pm

Looks like a cracker of a concert to go to & although its on the 2nd anniv. of the bombings of 7/7 theyre not hiding away.

I'll be looking forward to seeing Genesis again reform & to hear The Police in the US as well. Anyone remember Phil Collins at both concerts at Live Aid-> London+Philadelphia

Mossy Monk · 02-07-2007 10:11AM

standbyme wrote:

I was just noticing the tv mag for next sat, & noticed RTE2 are showing 16.5 hrs coverage compared to the BEEB's 8-hours?

RTE2 start their coverage from 8am from Sydney, while the Beeb start their's @ 5.30pm

Digiguide wrote:

MUSIC: Live Earth
On: BBC 2 (989)
Date: Saturday 7th July 2007 (starting in 5 days)
Time: 12:30 to 17:20 (4 hours and 50 minutes long)

Live from Wembley Stadium, Jonathan Ross, Graham Norton and Edith Bowman present coverage of Live Earth, a series of music concerts being staged across the world to raise global awareness of climate change. The line-up for the London concert includes Genesis, Razorlight, Black Eyed Peas, Keane, Snow Patrol, Red Hot Chili Peppers, James Blunt, Kasabian, Beastie Boys, Duran Duran and Madonna. Also featuring interviews with the stars and highlights from the other concerts around the world.
(Stereo, Widescreen, Subtitles)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=53031

Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

I am sure the earlier stuff will probably be shown on interactive or something.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 02-07-2007 10:41AM

Look who is playing live earth!!
http://liveearth.msn.com/artists/spinaltap
i guess tonight they will rock live earth tonight!:D

NIBBS · 02-07-2007 11:11AM

Alena Dry Vaseline wrote:

Look who is playing live earth!!
http://liveearth.msn.com/artists/spinaltap
i guess tonight they will rock live earth tonight!:D

yeah saw that a while back, should be a good laugh.......

standbyme · 03-07-2007 10:35PM

Hi Mossy, it looks like the RTE coverage has been rescheduled as follows:

Time - 12:30 to 18:30 (6 hours long).
When - Saturday 7th July on RTÉ 2

When - Saturday 7th July on RTÉ 2
Time - 21:00 to 06:00 (9 hours long).

Live Earth is a 24-hour, 7-continent series of concerts taking place on 7/7/07 that will bring together more than 100 music artists and 2 billion people to trigger a global movement to solve the climate crisis.Dave Fanning will present live coverage of the massive event as RTÉ Two broadcas live from the London concert at Wembley, and bringing you highlights from around the world.Artists set to perform live sets at the London concert include Snow Patrol, Damien Rice, Madonna, Pussy Cat Dolls, Razorlight, Black Eyed Peas, Duran Duran, Beastie Boys, Foo Fighters, Genisis, Kasabian, Metalica, Red Hot Chilli Peppers and Spinal Tap reformed !
(Live)�

Then again would you listen to Dave Fanning for that length of time as i'd have more crack with 'Wossy' LOL

philstar · 04-07-2007 11:34PM

Live earth is on this weekend :eek:

Well stone the crows!!......thats the first ive heard about it..

theres been absolutely no hype or promotion on TV or Radio...whats going on??

standbyme · 05-07-2007 12:19AM

Its been advertised during the week on RTE, i must have seen it twice already

big b · 05-07-2007 10:28AM

FWIW, I see fans flying to this gig as ironic rather than wrong.

And to be honest, I'd rather see 180 fans flying in from Ireland than driving 60 cars there & back.

lordgoat · 05-07-2007 11:26AM

big b wrote:

And to be honest, I'd rather see 180 fans flying in from Ireland than driving 60 cars there & back.

This makes no sense?

big b · 05-07-2007 11:38AM

OK...

If a couple of hundred are going to attend this gig from Ireland, in my estimation there would be less environmental impact if they flew, than if they all went by car.

Clear enough now? :-)

lordgoat · 05-07-2007 01:26PM

big b wrote:

OK...

If a couple of hundred are going to attend this gig from Ireland, in my estimation there would be less environmental impact if they flew, than if they all went by car.

Clear enough now? :-)

That's incorrect. What are you basing your estimation on?

One flight for 20 people produces 2 tonnes of CO2.
OR and produce 0.1 tonnes of CO2 per person

5 car's (4 people in each) and ferry ride produces (a little more difficult to calculate)
Each person: 18112 grams, 18.11 kilograms, 0.0181 tonnes of CO2

Figures are from carbonneutral.com (for the flights) and travelsouthyorkshire.com/carbon/ (for the car).

This also doesn't take into account that when emissions are released into the upper atmosphere the cause 7times more damage than car emissions.

big b · 05-07-2007 01:50PM

Well, I certainly wasn't basing my estimation on a plane carrying 20 passengers!
Dividing that figure by 9 to account for 180 pax (oversimplifying the calcs, no doubt?) gives a figure of 0.0111111..........

And whilst I accept the long-term view that if people stopped booking seats, less planes would fly - in this particular case, the planes WILL fly anyway and it's unlikely that the number of pax from Ireland for this gig will result in any extra flights being out on.
I therefore stand by my statement that - in this instance- the Irish fans wishing to attend this gig will cause less harm by filling up scheduled flights, than by running dozens of cars.
It's a bit of a mixed message to encourage people to use public transport and leave the car at home....and then criticise people flying (on public transport!), showing that using a fleet of private cars is a better alternative!

lordgoat · 05-07-2007 05:15PM

big b wrote:

Well, I certainly wasn't basing my estimation on a plane carrying 20 passengers!
Dividing that figure by 9 to account for 180 pax (oversimplifying the calcs, no doubt?) gives a figure of 0.0111111..........

And whilst I accept the long-term view that if people stopped booking seats, less planes would fly - in this particular case, the planes WILL fly anyway and it's unlikely that the number of pax from Ireland for this gig will result in any extra flights being out on.
I therefore stand by my statement that - in this instance- the Irish fans wishing to attend this gig will cause less harm by filling up scheduled flights, than by running dozens of cars.
It's a bit of a mixed message to encourage people to use public transport and leave the car at home....and then criticise people flying (on public transport!), showing that using a fleet of private cars is a better alternative!

I was using 20 as you said in your first post that if 100 people went over it would be better to fly... I chose to use 20 in both cases as it was vastly better to go by car.

There is no need to divide any calculations, emissions are already per person. At least read all of my post correclty before you.

The argument that the plane will already be going is stupid and incredibly short sighted. It's like saying whats the point in voting one vote won't change anything.

I'm not saying going by car is the way to go, i personally think that you should not travel from abroad to this concert. But if you do flying is the worst mode of transport for the envoronment.

big b · 06-07-2007 08:37AM

Let's agree that there's lies, damned lies & statistics. Either side can quote figures to suit their case.
But to propose that people shouldn't travel to the gig at all is over the top, in my view. It's a one-off, not a tour - the gig isn't coming to Ireland & people are absolutely entitled to travel for entertainment.
I don't think extremism helps any cause.

lordgoat · 06-07-2007 10:58AM

big b wrote:

Let's agree that there's lies, damned lies & statistics. Either side can quote figures to suit their case.
But to propose that people shouldn't travel to the gig at all is over the top, in my view. It's a one-off, not a tour - the gig isn't coming to Ireland & people are absolutely entitled to travel for entertainment.
I don't think extremism helps any cause.

No, you're incorrect, the figures stand up. I never said people shouldn't travel to a gig, it's personal choice. I think and feel strongly over this gig and it is the height of hypochrisy to fly to this one.

This isn't extremism it's highlighting the fact that there is more to this gig than the music and you should actually know about the consequences of your actions.

Oh it's a once off, ah sure that makes it ok then.:rolleyes:

big b · 06-07-2007 11:22AM

lordgoat wrote:

I never said people shouldn't travel to a gig,

lordgoat wrote:

i personally think that you should not travel from abroad to this concert

errr........ok;)

Clearly, we're not going to reach any kind of agreement on this.
I understand the irony of travel to this particular gig, but let's face it - 99% of those who go, are probably going for the entertainment on offer, rather than to make a statement. I don't particularly think they should be criticised for that.

lordgoat · 06-07-2007 12:30PM

big b wrote:

errr........ok;)

Clearly, we're not going to reach any kind of agreement on this.
I understand the irony of travel to this particular gig, but let's face it - 99% of those who go, are probably going for the entertainment on offer, rather than to make a statement. I don't particularly think they should be criticised for that.

the two statements above are both correct. You seem to have trouble with a simple concept. This is one gig you should not fly to a different country to.
If you actually go and even read the website for this gig it urges the use of eco-fiendly travel to and from it. Flying is not environmentally friendly.

I think anyone that does fly to this concert should be informed that their decision to fly to a concert promoting awarenss to global warming goes against the principles of the event they are attending.

I also think people should be told when they are ill informed and basically wrong.

Live Earth

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