how do some people pass their driving tests???

kelle · 01-07-2007 08:04PM

kdouglas wrote:

fixed

and yes, i cant stand bad parking either, really gets on my nerves

A smack on the bum for changing my thread!:D
Though if somebody had planted the idea in my head and there was no chance of me getting caught, you never know....

kenmc · 01-07-2007 08:08PM

StephenC_IRL wrote:

i found a great way, im learning in a decent car. anyone else ever seen a Lexus with L plates :P

In fairness, what has that got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

You can be an equally crap driver in a Lexus as in a Nissan Micra.

modalcommand · 01-07-2007 08:17PM

bytesize wrote:

ok i was just down in the local tesco picking up some bits and pieces. on my way into the car park, the very first car there was parked way out of his spot and halfway in the junction. this caused that particular lane to be blocked and was a pain in the back-side. as luck would have it, the culprit was just returning to his car when i was driving passed so i rolled down the window and asked 'did he not know how to park'. at which point he went off into a rant about how it was his car and when i pointed out that yes it was his car but it wasn't his road, he started with' do i not have any other problem in my life etc etc etc.

now i find that many people just cant park and have gotten into the habit of writing little notes and placing them under their wipers stating that they should learn how to park.

ahhhh rant over

You sound like a really sad person. Writing notes of peoples cars, what are you like? I pray for the day I get to deal with a person of your sort for real.

ejmaztec · 01-07-2007 08:29PM

I like the notes left by drivers who've bashed someone's car whilst trying to get out of a parking space in front of several witnesses.

"Whilst I'm writing this note, the people looking at me think I'm a decent sort and assume that I'm leaving details of my name and address, so that I can pay for the damage that I've done. Well, I'm not - so f**k you and f**k them"

Karoma · 01-07-2007 08:53PM

Wishbone Ash wrote:

...or even in the Learning to Drive Forum.

It's a rant about bad driving - I thought I'd spare the other fora.

Although, a theory is developing as I write this watching a driver teaching his missus to drive - and it's taking both of them about 6 minutes to work out how to stick the L plate on the window (No, it doesn't go on the outside... *sigh*)

modalcommand: careful now.

mkennedy · 01-07-2007 09:12PM

5starpool wrote:

I'm glad you took the time to make that point. Well done.

I hate crap drivers with a passion.

:rolleyes:

watna · 01-07-2007 09:27PM

kenmc wrote:

In fairness, what has that got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

You can be an equally crap driver in a Lexus as in a Nissan Micra.

Nissan Micras are the coolest cars around and you know it! Plus they're made of tin so all Nissan Micra driver's are extra cautious!!

Mrs. MacGyver · 01-07-2007 10:20PM

I agree, i've a micra myself and was in a car accident a year and a half ago (boyfriend driving in a toyota- not his fault , head on collision) and i was told by the gusrd that came on the accident if i was driving the micra we would both be dead, as a result i'm a careful driver but i don't admit to being great either since i can only reverse in limited circumstances! By the way i have passed my test.

Anyway sorry for going off the point. Two incidents happened two weeks ago to my famiy which highlights the stupidity and carelessness of fully licensed drivers.

1. We were driving to my uncles removal in the gaeltacht. This eejit decides to pass out a car in the cortege unaware that there was a fiierce line in front of that car (i.e. they were following the hearse to the church and there was no hard shoulder). The guy then realised this with oncoming traffic facing him in the opposite direction and tried to cut in in front of my dad nearly swiping the drivers side off of his car. Good thing the funeral was going so slow or there could have been a desperate pile up. Flipping boy racers in souped up golfs!! I was travelling with my Aunt and was very shocked.

2. I has heading back from the Mart two weeks ago and was in the central median on the main Killarney-Cork road for turning right for Bandon. There were cars coming in the opposite direction and i was waiting for a suitable gap in traffic so as i could make my turn. Then this guy in a white small transit van comes up behind me, honks (but it's not safe for me to turn) so in frustration he turns a sharp right and cuts up the side road i was about to turn into on the right hand side of the road at speed. If anyone was waiting at the stop sign on the right at that junctiion they would have been blown to bits. I was shaking after that encounter.

3. Why can't people indicate at roundabouts?

Both of the above appear to have been fully licenced drivers (no L plates - then again they could have opted not to put them up.

If i had to drive in Dublin i dunno what i'd do. Cork is enough of a challenge for me at weekends.

Collie D · 01-07-2007 10:37PM

I am constantly amazed how everyone on Boards is an excellent driver. :rolleyes:

Gingerspice99 · 01-07-2007 10:54PM

I know the public transport system here in Ireland isnt the best but I think we should take a leaf out of the way its done in the UK

You take your theory and practical on the same day and you cannot drive on your own on a Provisional - I know on your first here you have to have a qualified driver in the car with you but its not enforced by the Guardi.

The insurance is cheaper in the UK because of this

I know its a bit off topic but thought I'd throw it in anyway

looksee · 02-07-2007 12:04AM

That will be a great idea when the wait for a test is down from over a year to a couple of weeks. And how does that make any difference to the cost of insurance.

ejmaztec · 02-07-2007 01:14AM

looksee wrote:

That will be a great idea when the wait for a test is down from over a year to a couple of weeks. And how does that make any difference to the cost of insurance.

Because, if a learner driver is hammering up and down the roads, with no accompanying qualified driver to give them advice on their driving skills, they make stupid mistakes and an accident is more likely.

That's the theory, but in practice, even if the learner-driver law is changed, the insurance companies will think of another excuse to increase the premiums.

Blush_01 · 02-07-2007 01:57AM

Gingerspice99 wrote:

The insurance is cheaper in the UK because of this

Are you sure that's not because of a little thing called Sterling?

OP - the note thing is a bit excessive. But I suppose as long as you've parked immaculately first, nobody can really fault you. :rolleyes:

I'm terrified of learning how to drive, tbh. The only time I ever took the car around the yard at home my dad feigned a heart attack and it freaked me out so much I don't ever want him near me in a car again. He thought it was fcuking hilarious.

bytesize · 02-07-2007 09:34AM

OP - the note thing is a bit excessive. But I suppose as long as you've parked immaculately first, nobody can really fault you.

i know it may seem a bit over the top, but its better than taking my wheel lock and smashing in their window. its from constant drivers not taking the extra few seconds to straighten their cars. i always reverse or pull back out if i havent gotten it right first go as i hate when others dont.

i think the best thing would be to just clamp cars that go over their line. simple as. it may cause the space to be taken up for a while but it would teach them and make them think twice about parking ****ty again.

i was out in blanchardstown shopping centre a few weeks ago and a big van took up 2 spaces. a clamper van[ncps i think] clamped him for it.

seamus · 02-07-2007 10:14AM

This weekend was particularly bad for idiot drivers. Don't know why, it just was. Had one particular idiot almost pull right in on top of me on a roundabout (I was going right, he was going straight). He had to swerve to avoid hitting me, in my rear view mirror I could see he was immersed in conversation with his phone :rolleyes:
Also had two people attempt to drive the wrong way through a car park - you know those idiots who go straight through on 45-degree spaces, and so end up facing the wrong way? Two of them looking at me like I'd two heads, wondering why I'm in the middle of the lane :rolleyes:

Mossy Monk · 02-07-2007 10:40AM

ejmaztec wrote:

Because, if a learner driver is hammering up and down the roads, with no accompanying qualified driver to give them advice on their driving skills, they make stupid mistakes and an accident is more likely.

So with a full license an accident is less likely. That's a load of ****. Plenty of people on full licenses who are clueless about the rules of the road. Like those ****ing idiots who use the hard shoulder as a slip lane.

Archeron · 02-07-2007 10:50AM

bytesize wrote:

i know it may seem a bit over the top, but its better than taking my wheel lock and smashing in their window. its from constant drivers not taking the extra few seconds to straighten their cars. i always reverse or pull back out if i havent gotten it right first go as i hate when others dont.

So if one person parks outside the lines, and this has a knock on effect on all the cars in that parking line causing everyone else having to do similar, how do you tell the difference between the one thats an idiot, and the one that just had to make do and park in the space that was actually left for them? In my town, you will virtually never see any cars parked between the lines of the on street parking, people just have to do the best with the spaces that are left for them, and unless everybody who is parked outside the lines happens to pull off at exactly the same time, this will be the way everybody will park for the rest of the day. And I sure as hell wont drive by a parking space just because my having to park outside the lines may upset some delicate soul who gets upset by the mere thought of such a thing.

senordingdong · 02-07-2007 11:10AM

Just carry a few copies of the rules of the road with you. When someone steps out of line, just throw it at their car.

lynchtp · 02-07-2007 11:56AM

Archeron wrote:

So if one person parks outside the lines, and this has a knock on effect on all the cars in that parking line causing everyone else having to do similar, how do you tell the difference between the one thats an idiot, and the one that just had to make do and park in the space that was actually left for them? In my town, you will virtually never see any cars parked between the lines of the on street parking, people just have to do the best with the spaces that are left for them, and unless everybody who is parked outside the lines happens to pull off at exactly the same time, this will be the way everybody will park for the rest of the day. And I sure as hell wont drive by a parking space just because my having to park outside the lines may upset some delicate soul who gets upset by the mere thought of such a thing.

I was just going to say that.
You just cant presume the last car was the the culprit.

ejmaztec · 02-07-2007 11:57AM

Mossy Monk wrote:

So with a full license an accident is less likely. That's a load of ****. Plenty of people on full licenses who are clueless about the rules of the road. Like those ****ing idiots who use the hard shoulder as a slip lane.

Well, I did say "Theory" in the second paragraph.

I know at least one person who got a full licence by default after the postal strike all those years ago. I also know that he should never be allowed to drive a car, or even ride a pushbike on the open road, because he drives like a twat.

I can't believe the vast number of drivers who overtake on single/double white lines or the dickwads who don't stick to the slow lanes when there's one available going up steep hills. They sit there, doing about 60kph, refusing to move.

Then, there are the old boys! 50kph constant speed, wherever and whatever road they're on. These people have the same silhouette from the rear. You can make out that they've got a cap on and their ears stick out of their heads like two tennis balls. They get overtaken by tractors and hold up the traffic for twenty miles.

Stark · 02-07-2007 12:08PM

ejmaztec wrote:

Then, there are the old boys! 50kph constant speed, wherever and whatever road they're on.

Not true! It's 60kph going through busy town centres

layke · 02-07-2007 01:34PM

This has been discussed I don't know how many times on the motors forum.

Look, that piece of pink paper that says you can drive does not mean you are a good driver. All you've done is drive well for 40 mins. Experience combined with good eductation (which our country lacks) is the only thing that will make a good driver. We are moving towards this however very slowly.

I can tell you i've been driving 8 years, i've had my license for just over 1. Not because I failed many many times, just I simply didn't bother to do the test, I could afford the insurance. Now that i've passed it I still drive the same as I did before, and in a system where it doesn't matter if you've gone through the motions or not I fail to see how anyone here with a pink license is better then a provisional driver. Sure I know one guy who got his full license after 6 weeks of being on the road.

The point is how many of those 400,000 are like me?

ats · 02-07-2007 01:58PM

ejmaztec wrote:

They sit there, doing about 60kph, refusing to move..

don't suppose in these situations you look at the speed limit? maybe they are traveling at the posted limit. Besides even if the limit is higher it doesn't mean you have to travel at that speed, hence the term limit. They are perfectly within their rights to travel at a slower speed, and you have to suck it up if there is a solid white line on the road I'm afraid. Course if its a dual carriage way or motorway then they should stick to the left hand lane.

Now i constantly travel on the M1 and coming up to the junctions at the M50 I tend to move to the outside lane to allow traffic onto the motorway, at this section of the road the limit drops from 120 down to 80 and I always drop my speed. but the amount of w@nkers that flash and beep and tail gate me pisses me off no end.

this morning coming down the M1 (southbound) just past the airport I spot this @rasewipe in a silver astra with the usual bolt on bits of Lego and mickano:D anyways he's coming onto the M1 from the airport but is in the slip road that is meant to join the exit for the M50/N32. So he cuts across the slip road onto the M1 into the left hand lane, travels all the way up to the exit of the M1/M50 and pulls into a gap, failing to see the car that is trying to move into the right hand lane of the slip road or the fact that I am Behind him or the fact that his car is actually equipped with little yellow lights that give some indication of what he intends doing. So I nearly end up his @rse and the artic that's behind me nearly ends up my @rse. and when i beep and him the fùcker flips me off :mad:

only for i would hold up traffic and it was unsafe for me to get out I was gonna take a tire iron to his car.

Stark · 02-07-2007 02:02PM

ats wrote:

don't suppose in these situations you look at the speed limit? maybe they are traveling at the posted limit. Besides even if the limit is higher it doesn't mean you have to travel at that speed, hence the term limit. They are perfectly within their rights to travel at a slower speed, and you have to suck it up if there is a solid white line on the road I'm afraid. Course if its a dual carriage way or motorway then they should stick to the left hand lane.

Read his post again. He's complaining about drivers who hog the right-hand lane when there's a climbing lane. Also, I don't think you have climbing lanes in 60kph sections.

delta_bravo · 02-07-2007 02:04PM

bytesize wrote:

the thing that gets me is that we all know how the test centers have quota's on how many people to pass a day but could they not pick the ones that can actually drive. my sister who is a very good driver failed based on petty little things like not knowing the specific word for word definitions of certain things. she explained what they were but lost marks cos they weren't word for word. .

sorry but that is a load of crap. If you fail you deserve to fail

ejmaztec · 02-07-2007 02:06PM

Stark wrote:

Read his post again. He's complaining about drivers who hog the right-hand lane when there's a climbing lane. Also, I don't think you have climbing lanes in 60kph sections.

Spot on!:D

ats · 02-07-2007 02:09PM

Stark wrote:

Read his post again. He's complaining about drivers who hog the right-hand lane when there's a climbing lane. Also, I don't think you have climbing lanes in 60kph sections.

my point is still partially valid

if the posted limit is 60 then the driver has no obligation to move over correct me if I'm wrong?

not sure about the whole climbing land bit coz i don't drive that much ion the parts of the country where they are in use, but I'll assume you hold to the left and let those traveling faster than you past, now if this is the case then does my previous point still not hold through that if that are at the posted speed they do not have to move?

Jimoslimos · 02-07-2007 02:11PM

Gingerspice99 wrote:

I know the public transport system here in Ireland isnt the best but I think we should take a leaf out of the way its done in the UK

You take your theory and practical on the same day

Wrong, in the UK you can't take your theory and practical on the same day. You have to pass your theory first before applying for test.

ejmaztec · 02-07-2007 02:38PM

ats wrote:

my point is still partially valid

if the posted limit is 60 then the driver has no obligation to move over correct me if I'm wrong?

not sure about the whole climbing land bit coz i don't drive that much ion the parts of the country where they are in use, but I'll assume you hold to the left and let those traveling faster than you past, now if this is the case then does my previous point still not hold through that if that are at the posted speed they do not have to move?

I was referring to roads where the limits are 100kph or 80kph. If someone in front of me was sticking to the speed limit, I wouldn't expect them to move -as I would also be sticking to the speed limit.

If a person is too scared to drive more than 50/60 kph on a 100kph road, they should go home and hang up their keys. They're even worse when it gets dark.

I know another driver who is too scared to turn right onto a main road. She turns left, carries on in the opposite direction, until she finds a traffic-free zone somewhere up ahead, then does a U-turn and goes back to where she wanted to be in the first place.

Wishbone Ash · 02-07-2007 03:35PM

Mossy Monk wrote:

So with a full license an accident is less likely

Statistically yes.

layke wrote:

I fail to see how anyone here with a pink license is better then a provisional driver

If provisional drivers were as safe as those with a full driving license, why then, do insurance companies preclude employers from employing a driver with a provisional license? Recruitment adverts for drivers or for those required to drive as part of their work, always insist on a full license in the relevant category.

Insurance companies base their policies on risk (i.e. claims). If provisionally licensed drivers were statistically as safe as ordinary license holders, then they wouldn't care which license was held.

how do some people pass their driving tests???

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