Bernard Manning RIP

Degsy · 19-06-2007 04:10PM

super_furry wrote:

Horrible bigotted racist scumbag. Hope he rots.

Most dead bodies rot,racists or not..its why they bury them,you see?

bolliwoodi · 19-06-2007 04:21PM

popebenny16 wrote:

Who told this joke:

"I was watching the telly... all those people in Africa living in mud huts... walking miles to the nearest stream to get water... why bother? Just move your mud huts nearer the river... easy..."

ROFL:D

WindSock · 19-06-2007 04:32PM

How is he a racist? Havent heard of him until now. Seems funny though. RIP with Benny, Spike and the rest

Slow Motion · 19-06-2007 04:43PM

boreds wrote:

How is he a racist? Havent heard of him until now.

Your showing your age (or should I say youth !)

humanji · 19-06-2007 04:49PM

Degsy wrote:

Most dead bodies rot,racists or not..its why they bury them,you see?

Don't be so stupid. They're buried in case they come back to eat us!

beans · 19-06-2007 04:51PM

I rather suspect Spike Milligan would pretend not to see Bernard Manning if he was walking down the street in heaven.

Manning would be all hollering and waving and flapping his jowels while Spike stares straight ahead, rounds a corner and ducks into the nearest pub to escape.

Anto McC · 19-06-2007 05:01PM

Wouldn't have p*ssed on him if he was on fire but i'll happily p*ss on his grave

TheFlaps · 19-06-2007 05:09PM

A disgusting racist who will not be missed.

Mr.Nice Guy · 19-06-2007 05:10PM

Funny guy. RIP.

"Don't laugh at the Holocaust. My dad died in Auschwitz.
Yeah, he fell of the watchtower and broke his f*cking neck."

As for those badmouthing him, in the words of Frank Carson:

"People that misunderstood didn't have a sense of humour. He used to make gags about the Irish to me. When I'd come into the room he'd say 'does anyone smell Semtex' and I wouldn't take offence."

Manning actually came from an Irish Catholic and Jewish background. Thanks for the laughs, Bernard. F*ck the begrudgers.

flogen · 19-06-2007 05:29PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

"People that misunderstood didn't have a sense of humour. He used to make gags about the Irish to me. When I'd come into the room he'd say 'does anyone smell Semtex' and I wouldn't take offence."

I love that - people who think he's a racist obviously don't have a sense of humour - it's not his fault, it's yours.

Frank Carson's another hack of a comedian, by the way, and another who can be listed in the "relics of a by-gone era" category of the profession. I saw him doing a routine on the Tiz-Waz (or whatever) nostalgiafest on Saturday and it was gut wrenchingly antiquated and unfunny - basically him taking as many racial stereotypes as he could remember and using them as a punchline.

Must be my lack of a sense of humour, though.

BBJ · 19-06-2007 05:52PM

Yore Ma !!!!!!!!!!!

nlgbbbblth · 19-06-2007 06:02PM

Manning was very representative of his era++.
His delivery was very good but his material was offensive.

Was he like that in real life or was it a cultivated persona for his audience?
- mostly pr*cks who read The Sun.

However he did make that dry, colourless, personality-lobotomised w*nker Darcus Howe* laugh - with a racist joke. Anyone who could get Howe to raise a smile must be talented.

*Remember Howe on Brass Eye ('Sorry that was the introduction for Robert Elms' - Chris Morris)?

On a health-related note: isn't it extraordinary that Manning lived to be 76 with his physique? That might well be his greatest achievement of all.

++Re: 'a different era'.

There's a scene in Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em where Frank falls into a barrel of tar. He emerges, completely covered in the stuff (from head to toe) and sees an Asian couple walking past. He stops them and starts speaking in pidgin English to them.

The scene was excised from the DVD release on the grounds that it might cause offence. Similar cuts have been made to Are You Being Served?

That sort of censoring with the past really annoys me.

And to finish things off; a joke that Bernard Manning would appreciate

What's black and doesn't work?

...Bernard Manning's kidneys

Scawgeen · 19-06-2007 06:11PM

tampopo wrote:

I've always found Ricky Gervais to be incredibly UNfunny.

the "e she were thin" was from a much longer different joke, well, the version I heard it anyway, Yorkshire based, not Cheshire based.

anyway, my 2p worth

To clarify what I referred to this morning here is a synopsis of the joke as I remember it. It still may not be funny but it was when Bernard Manning told it.

A Yorkshire man's beloved wife dies and he goes down to the local stonemason to pick out a headstone for her. He picks out the headstone and tells the owner he wants an inscription on it. He's written down what he wants inscribed on the headstone simply 'She Were Thine' and nothing else.
The Stonemason calls over his new man rumoured to be a genius with a chisel Paddy the Stonecutter. He tells Paddy the gentlman's wife was dead and tells him she was a fine woman and he showed him what he wanted incribed on the head stone as above 'She Were Thine'
Paddy goes off to do the job and a week later the gentleman returns to collect his headstone. He takes one look at the headstone 'She Were Thin' and says to the Owner he left out the E on 'She Were Thine' Paddy says he can sort that out, no problem adding an E. The next day the gentleman returns and Paddy has added the extra E to the inscription.......' E She Were Thin '

philstar · 19-06-2007 07:21PM

Yes Bernard Manning's comedy was very much a product of its time & district
i.e. 1970s northern english working class humour.

yes i know he was a hideous looking man who made racist jokes, but bye did he tell some beauts and his timing was impeccable........

"ive got a new nickname for my cock...im gonna call it "scouser" cause it hasnt worked for f*cking ages"

"Why are pubic hairs curly, because if they were straight they would poke your wife's eyes out!"

a bloke goes to the opticians -

the optician says "I'm afraid your going to have to stop ****" -
Bloke:"why, will I go blind?"
Optician "no, but you're upsetting everyone in the waiting room"

Hagar · 19-06-2007 07:34PM

If you could see past his material he was a very professional comedian.
That said, he and his ilk were responsible for the popularization of "paddy" bashing.
Wouldn't if be just nice if St. Peter was on a day off and St. Patrick was minding the Pearly Gates today?

Pigman II · 19-06-2007 07:36PM

Manning, dead? It's a fúcking disgrace!

chump · 19-06-2007 07:48PM

Whatever about this Manning lad - do people really not find Gervais or Tommy Tiernan funneh ? - they're at the top of their game imo

Dudess · 19-06-2007 09:11PM

flogen wrote:

Frank Carson's another hack of a comedian, by the way, and another who can be listed in the "relics of a by-gone era" category of the profession. I saw him doing a routine on the Tiz-Waz (or whatever) nostalgiafest on Saturday and it was gut wrenchingly antiquated and unfunny - basically him taking as many racial stereotypes as he could remember and using them as a punchline.

Yeah, I don't know why, but I was watching Carson on Podge and Rodge a few months ago - Jesus, Mary and Joseph, it was cringeworthy. One of the least funny things I've ever seen.

And yeah, Bernard Manning was a cúnt. But in fairness, he wasn't as bad as Roy 'Chubby' Brown - a nasty, nasty piece of work.

Manning, as someone pointed out, may have made Irish jokes, but he came from an Irish background himself, and was apparently very proud of his Jewish roots (although that doesn't excuse the Auschwitz gag, which is just plain offensive - not even funny in a dark way).

I have found myself laughing out loud at some of Manning's gags though, not because they're funny in themselves but because I think it's funny - as in shocking funny - that someone could actually say stuff like that.

chump, Gervais is excellent at doing what he's best known for - programmes like The Office and Extras. But as a stand-up, he's lame.

philstar · 19-06-2007 10:17PM

Hagar wrote:

If you could see past his material he was a very professional comedian.
That said, he and his ilk were responsible for the popularization of "paddy" bashing.

well how about all the paddy irishman jokes we told in school??

basically what yr saying is this.....if an irishman tells a paddy joke its fine, but if an englishman does it its offensive...

anyway lets not get too heavy...

What's hit more balls than ryan giggs foot?

Elton John's chin!

50 years ago a group of white blokes chasing a black bloke was called the Klu Klux Klan..................

Now they call it the PGA tour

Hagar · 19-06-2007 10:29PM

The man was offensive... to everyone...
I'll let the "Jews, Pakis, Blacks, Chinks" ( have I left anyone out?) stand up for themselves. He insulted everyone who wasn't white and English.
If he didn't own the Embassy Club he would have had no where to go.
He was a racist, and he spread his message through his brand of humour. He was good at it to give him his due. No pun intended.

flogen · 19-06-2007 10:42PM

philstar wrote:

well how about all the paddy irishman jokes we told in school??

basically what yr saying is this.....if an irishman tells a paddy joke its fine, but if an englishman does it its offensive...

The Paddy Englishman/Irishman/Scotsman jokes were extremely tame and interchangable - that is to say that any of the three could be the butt of the joke depending on the teller him/herself. I remember a lot of Kerryman jokes too, but they're all incomparable to the viciousness of Manning's stuff - it wasn't about someone being just stupid, they were stupid, lazy, scrounging, scamming, thieving etc. and there was nothing "in good fun" about the way they were delivered or received.

There's a scene in Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em where Frank falls into a barrel of tar. He emerges, completely covered in the stuff (from head to toe) and sees an Asian couple walking past. He stops them and starts speaking in pidgin English to them.

The scene was excised from the DVD release on the grounds that it might cause offence. Similar cuts have been made to Are You Being Served?

That sort of censoring with the past really annoys me.

I agree - it's a bit stupid to try and re-write the past just because it doesn't fit in with modern culture, the idea is to learn from it and having it exist doesn't mean you support it... I mean, should we take information about slavery, concentration camps and limited suffrage out of history books too?

On the issue of racist programming, you should check out "Love Thy Neighbour", which was satirised in The Day Today. I saw a DVD of it's series 1 in a shop a while ago and the blurb on the back suggested the racism in it was ironic and the concept was to highlight the ignorance of racism rather than re-enforce it.

Dudess · 19-06-2007 10:53PM

flogen wrote:

the blurb on the back suggested the racism in it was ironic and the concept was to highlight the ignorance of racism rather than re-enforce it.

Ha!!! I'm sure!

Another one: Heil Honey, I'm Home!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/h/heilhoneyimhome__1299003509.shtml

About a stereotypical Noo Yawk Jewish couple who live next door to the fuhrer and his wife. Hilariously unfunny.

RoundyMooney · 19-06-2007 11:25PM

Not much of a comedian, but he was well able to breed turkeys...

mkennedy · 20-06-2007 12:13AM

popebenny16 wrote:

Who told this joke:

"I was watching the telly... all those people in Africa living in mud huts... walking miles to the nearest stream to get water... why bother? Just move your mud huts nearer the river... easy..."

That's right, Ricky Gervais.

But he was being ironic, right? :rolleyes:

By the way I have no time at all for Manning, his day and his way of looking at life is dying out, thank god.

gervais and manning aren't comparable at all tbh.

e.g with david brent in the office we're laughing at the character's attitude to race/sex/ disability etc. the "melting pot" episode and the girl in the wheelchair during the fire drill come to mind.

otoh with manning his audience are laughing at race/disability itself (in an "ignorant", "unknowing" way if you will).

with gervais' standup (although it's closer to the bone than the office because it's gervais himself on stage, not brent) it's still about laughing (uneasily at times) at an attitude/way of thinking deliberately assumed by gervais/his stage persona regarding race/disability issues etc. it's this attitude that the audience recognise and laugh at imho.
it's not about laughing at the disability etc itself.

BaZmO* · 20-06-2007 10:33AM

mkennedy wrote:

with david brent in the office we're laughing at the character's attitude to race/sex/ disability etc. the "melting pot" episode and the girl in the wheelchair during the fire drill come to mind.

mkennedy wrote:

otoh with manning his audience are laughing at race/disability itself (in an "ignorant", "unknowing" way if you will).

mkennedy wrote:

with gervais' standup (although it's closer to the bone than the office because it's gervais himself on stage, not brent) it's still about laughing (uneasily at times) at an attitude/way of thinking deliberately assumed by gervais/his stage persona regarding race/disability issues etc. it's this attitude that the audience recognise and laugh at imho.
it's not about laughing at the disability etc itself.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 20-06-2007 10:53AM

Brilliantly funny at a time when people had thicker skins, when we didn't have the PC brigade telling us we should be offended.

Heard one on the radio the other day...

Irish guy goes to a building site in London looking for work...

Employer "Sure we've work, whats your name?"

Irish guy "Paddy Murphy"

Employer "Can you spell that"?.

Irish guy "Stick you job up your arse".

Tha Gopher · 20-06-2007 02:15PM

Have to say, most of the jokes here made me laugh (never saw the guys shows mind). Honestly, how many of you have never told or laughed at a joke offensive to some group? None, thats how many. You have even laughed at Irish jokes, face it. Jimmy Carr tells borderline racist and homophobic jokes all the time, gets away with it, is it really any different when its a fat northerner?

Dudess wrote:

Manning was apparently very proud of his Jewish roots (although that doesn't excuse the Auschwitz gag, which is just plain offensive - not even funny in a dark way).

I dunno, I thought it was gas.....

Ill just be getting my coat:rolleyes:

mkennedy · 20-06-2007 02:22PM

BaZmO* wrote:

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there.

what assumptions.

BaZmO* · 20-06-2007 02:35PM

mkennedy wrote:

what assumptions.

You're assuming that everybody that finds Gervais funny gets the "irony" and that anybody that finds Manning funny is "ignorant" and "unknowing"

mkennedy · 20-06-2007 04:28PM

BaZmO* wrote:

You're assuming that everybody that finds Gervais funny gets the "irony" and that anybody that finds Manning funny is "ignorant" and "unknowing"

I didn't assume everyone who finds gervais funny gets the irony.
some may appreciate it for reasons unintended.
doesn't make the comedian's INTENTION offensive.

regarding manning's humour note that I put ignorant and unknowing in quotes- ie this is how a lot of people generally regard his humour.

I do accept that some people appreciate it in a knowing/ironic way, me included on occasion tbh (probably should've said that in my post). but I'd strongly suspect it was not manning's INTENTION that it be received that way.

that suspicion is the only assumption I might be making as far as I can see.

my main point is gervais and manning are not at all similar. I think each comedian has a different INTENTION.

obviously their humour is APPRECIATED VARIOUSLY (ie in an unintended and intended way) by "knowing" and "unknowing" audiences. doesn't mean the comedians' intentions/attitudes are similar.

Bernard Manning RIP

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