The M50 toll bridge: Why is it still here, and will we ever beat it?

unreggd · 18-06-2007 07:29PM #1

According to Wiki, the toll bridge deadls with approx 98,000 cars a day

its costs about 2.50 to pass through, each way

So thats €2.50 x 2 x 98,000 x 365, which is 178.85 MILLION euro a year

where the hell is the money goin?

I thought it was there in the to cover the costs of the M50, then the costs of contructing the bridge [ironic much?]

but its already been paid over about 3 times

And yes, i havent a clue abt this, thats why im askin!

please enlighten me!!

zuutroy · 18-06-2007 07:32PM

unreggd wrote:

where the hell is the money goin?

I dunno, but I'd hazard a guess where this thread is goin

Wertz · 18-06-2007 07:35PM

zuutroy wrote:

I dunno, but I'd hazard a guess where this thread is goin

The Transport/Commuting forum?

zuutroy · 18-06-2007 07:37PM

bing bing bing.....5 millions points....you'd have got the full 5,000,001 if you'd have suggested the possibility of the Dublin forum.

Wertz · 18-06-2007 07:41PM

There's a Dublin forum?!? My God, think of the stuff we can avoid reading when people start posting there.

astrofool · 18-06-2007 07:48PM

Shouldn't there just be an 'other' forum for everything thats not Dublin related?

Ay Cee · 18-06-2007 07:51PM

It's 1.90 through that bastard of a thing!

Creamy Goodness · 18-06-2007 07:57PM

the prices range, i think he took 2.50 as an average.

Ay Cee · 18-06-2007 08:01PM

Ah, I see.

Karoma · 18-06-2007 08:36PM

It could be Commuting/Transport, motors, rip off ireland, Dublin, etc... I'll leave it here.

Dave! · 18-06-2007 08:38PM

NTR still own it, but it's going to the NRA for a trillion euro or somethin this year............

PeakOutput · 18-06-2007 08:39PM

its still there as the company that owned/built it included the rights to toll the m50/ the bridge for a certain amount of years which is not up yet..........

HOWEVER

the government paid that company something like 600million last year to buy out the contract so the tolls should be gone in a few years me thinks instead of 10/15

edit; too slow

DublinWriter · 18-06-2007 08:46PM

unreggd wrote:

but its already been paid over about 3 times

And yes, i havent a clue abt this, thats why im askin!

please enlighten me!!

It's called PPP (Public Private Partnership) and watch this space because the same will happen to our healthcare system in the next ten years (just remember, you voted them back in folks).

Yes the government have bought out the company that own the tolls, but don't expect the removal of the barriers. The government's stated aim is to use fully electronic tolling, just like they 'successfully' managed to do with the voting.

PeakOutput · 18-06-2007 08:59PM

DublinWriter wrote:

just like they 'successfully' managed to do with the voting.

in fairness whatever about voting fully electronic tolling is a proven technology and "in this day and age" its a bit ridicolous the m5 is not using it........cuts overheads(which are close to nil anyway) and increases efficiency

Capt'n Midnight · 18-06-2007 09:06PM

unreggd wrote:

According to Wiki, the toll bridge deadls with approx 98,000 cars a day

its costs about 2.50 to pass through, each way

So thats €2.50 x 2 x 98,000 x 365, which is 178.85 MILLION euro a year

where the hell is the money goin?

I thought it was there in the to cover the costs of the M50, then the costs of contructing the bridge [ironic much?]

but its already been paid over about 3 times

The bridges only cost 30 million each. So every two months a bridge gets paid for.

Actually it's a form of indirect taxation. The govt got the major slice of the pie and now for the nomimal consideration of 690m they get the whole slice and will pay out 114m for a toll free system. All for a piece of land that cost 7m initially. And I'll keep reminding everyone the £30m private money for the original bridge would have been worthless without the £300m of public money for the roads either side of the bridge.

see this link for the Band Average Daily Traffic Limit % of Toll Revenue Payable to Minister for Transport
http://www.nra.ie/PublicPrivatePartnership/ProjectTracker/M50SecondWest-LinkBridge/

PeakOutput · 18-06-2007 09:10PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

The govt got the major slice of the pie and now for the nomimal consideration of 690m they get the whole slice and will pay out 114m for a toll free system.

you mean barrier free or no???

WindSock · 18-06-2007 09:11PM

But don't they realise the troll bridge is whats slowing everything down on the motorway? Surely when the government buy it back they would do away with it, instead of throwing more money into useless traffic solutions.

Boston · 18-06-2007 09:13PM

PeakOutput wrote:

in fairness whatever about voting fully electronic tolling is a proven technology and "in this day and age" its a bit ridicolous the m5 is not using it........cuts overheads(which are close to nil anyway) and increases efficiency

haha. The technolodgy they bought wasn't proven. In fact studies had been conducted into how to **** with the specific machines we bought. And DublinWriter I don't think the M50 toil road was a public private partnership as we know it today.

PeakOutput · 18-06-2007 09:27PM

Boston wrote:

haha. The technolodgy they bought wasn't proven. In fact studies had been conducted into how to **** with the specific machines we bought. And DublinWriter I don't think the M50 toil road was a public private partnership as we know it today.

i assume you are talking about voting..........read what i said

my punctuation might be bad but its still clear what i meant imo

in fairness whatever about voting BUT fully electronic TOLLING is a proven technology and "in this day and age" its a bit ridicolous the m50 is not using it........FULLY ELECTRONIC TOLLING cuts overheads(which are close to nil anyway) and increases efficiency

fixed

DaBreno · 19-06-2007 12:05AM

boreds wrote:

But don't they realise the troll bridge is whats slowing everything down on the motorway? Surely when the government buy it back they would do away with it, instead of throwing more money into useless traffic solutions.

Never lose your innocence Boreds.

WindSock · 19-06-2007 12:10AM

K

tra la la la laaa.

PeakOutput · 19-06-2007 12:16AM

they will probably keep the tolls on the bridge for the next 4 yyears 8 months and then what dya know 2/3 months before the general election they will announce they are standing up to do what no ther government before them did and removing the toll bridge blah blah blah 4th ff government in a row

Ay Cee · 19-06-2007 12:18AM

The last talk I heard about it in the paper was:
They are doing away with the BARRIERS! Cameras or what ever will scan your reg plate and a fee is sent to your address. You have so many days to pay or it increases. There was no talk of getting rid of it altogether, there was only talk of no barriers.

It'll be an open stretch of road with cameras over head.

Sam Vimes · 19-06-2007 01:23AM

boreds wrote:

But don't they realise the troll bridge is whats slowing everything down on the motorway? Surely when the government buy it back they would do away with it, instead of throwing more money into useless traffic solutions.

oh no no no, its not like that at all. i heard an "engineer" on the radio last year who said that having the toll bridge actually speeds up traffic on the m50.

i can't remember exactly what he said but i think it was something like: "my professional opinion is that the toll bridge speeds up traffic and i base this opinion on two things: 1. i have no conscience and 2. NTR gave me a wad of cash

MooseJam · 19-06-2007 01:30AM

I don't drive so the toll bridge doesn't bother me, can't see what the big deal is either, a little slow down is all

Sam Vimes · 19-06-2007 01:37AM

MooseJam wrote:

I don't drive so the toll bridge doesn't bother me, can't see what the big deal is either, a little slow down is all

i see you've never been through it during rush hour. the traffic report people don't even look at the toll bridge or the red cow roundabout anymore, they just assume the traffic is mental on them and report it

i find that the m50 speeds up my journeys because all the stoopid people are stuck on it for hours while i go through lucan on the empty back roads. even when lucan takes slightly longer during non-rush hour i still go that way because i resent paying someone for the privilege of having them lift a barrier

Fighting Irish · 19-06-2007 01:57AM

zuutroy wrote:

bing bing bing.....5 millions points....you'd have got the full 5,000,001 if you'd have suggested the possibility of the Dublin forum.

ding ding ding who cares

darkman2 · 19-06-2007 02:00AM

The barriers will be gone next year.

MooseJam · 19-06-2007 02:11AM

darkman2 wrote:

The barriers will be gone next year.

are you sure

darkman2 · 19-06-2007 02:21AM

Yes, Phase 3 of the M50 upgrade has started - it will take 10 months and will involve the removal of the barriers:)

Sam Vimes · 19-06-2007 04:07AM

darkman2 wrote:

Yes, Phase 3 of the M50 upgrade has started - it will take 10 months and will involve the removal of the barriers:)

surely you mean years

The M50 toll bridge: Why is it still here, and will we ever beat it?

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