Global Warming

Anti · 12-06-2007 03:18PM #1

After watching the following youtube video, which is about the concequences of global warming it really got me thinking. Will it really end up like he says? Either the world in depression if we spend the the money to stop global warming, or we ignore it and let it continue which would cause social,economic,political and public health to drop of. Afte ryou watch this you really will sit back and just look around and wonder.

What do you guys think of this video(9mins) Some of the lads in work here have watched it, and we really cant pick his arguement apart at all. He seems to have covered the main vairaibles !

So Glad · 12-06-2007 03:20PM

Yeah, nobody cares though. People wont act until the water's at their door.

zuutroy · 12-06-2007 03:24PM

Theres been loads of threads on here over the last few months about GW. I think it's all been said already. I think its mostly hype and mostly natural and we'll all be fine.

homah_7ft · 12-06-2007 03:27PM

It's pretty much a case of you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Don't lose any sleep over it. The world has been ending forever

Duggy747 · 12-06-2007 03:34PM

IMO, I find the global warming fiasco to be overly exaggarated. I believe that global warming is occuring but not in the apocalyptic way we're expected to believe. Some scientists claim that sea-levels will drown islands yet other scientists have litteraly demolished such claims by proving in such a case that islands in the Indian Ocean have had their sea-level drop in the past 30 years. The islands and the people have also survived higher sea levels before. Then there was that whole topic about deadly-mosquito-viruses (Malaria, etc) that will spread everywhere cuz of temprature increase though people tend to forget about the malaria outbreak in the Soviet 80 years ago. All this bullshìt and exaggaration is beginning to blur the lines of who's correct and who's incorrect.

Oh, and scientists predicted an Ice Age to occur in the 60's and 70's..........go figure!

AlmightyCushion · 12-06-2007 03:52PM

I think it's all over exaggerated. Plus there hasn't been conclusive proof that humans are the cause. The scientific community itself is divided on issue contrary to popular believe.

LundiMardi · 12-06-2007 03:54PM

I for one am in favour of it.

Tar.Aldarion · 12-06-2007 03:55PM

'over exaggerated'? Exaggerated too much?
No, it is quite clear we have an affect, it is just how much of an effect we have is the question. It is taught in university chemistry that we have an affect.

Duggy747 · 12-06-2007 04:04PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

'over exaggerated'? Exaggerated too much?
No, it is quite clear we have an affect, it is just how much of an effect we have is the question. It is taught in university chemistry that we have an affect.

Yeah, obviously we've had an effect especially in the past 100 years with our vehicles, planes, factories, etc, but to say that: "THE WORLD IS FÙCKED!! WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" in an apocalyptic manner is getting ridiculous.

I'm also just a sour kraut cuz I have to pay €4 for one tiny recycling bag everytime I want to dump my rubbish outta my flat, bah!!

Celticfire · 12-06-2007 04:14PM

Anti wrote:

After watching the following youtube video, which is about the concequences of global warming it really got me thinking. Will it really end up like he says? Either the world in depression if we spend the the money to stop global warming, or we ignore it and let it continue which would cause social,economic,political and public health to drop of. Afte ryou watch this you really will sit back and just look around and wonder.

What do you guys think of this video(9mins) Some of the lads in work here have watched it, and we really cant pick his arguement apart at all. He seems to have covered the main vairaibles !

What's to say his worst case scenario is right? An opinion is just that, an opinion.

AlmightyCushion · 12-06-2007 04:15PM

Duggy747 wrote:

Yeah, obviously we've had an effect especially in the past 100 years with our vehicles, planes, factories, etc, but to say that: "THE WORLD IS FÙCKED!! WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" in an apocalyptic manner is getting ridiculous.

I'm also just a sour kraut cuz I have to pay €4 for one tiny recycling bag everytime I want to dump my rubbish outta my flat, bah!!

Is there not some free recycling facilities nearby?

cooperguy · 12-06-2007 04:17PM

Duggy747 wrote:

Yeah, obviously we've had an effect especially in the past 100 years with our vehicles, planes, factories, etc, but to say that: "THE WORLD IS FÙCKED!! WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!!" in an apocalyptic manner is getting ridiculous.

I'm also just a sour kraut cuz I have to pay €4 for one tiny recycling bag everytime I want to dump my rubbish outta my flat, bah!!

Well either way the recycling bag is a good thing and its an even better idea if the world isnt goin to end in a huge ball of fire because we're still running out of oil to make all the plastic stuff you love so much aswell as power the factories to manufacture all the rest of the recyclables (normally it takes less energy to recycle than to manufacture from scratch).

So if the world doesnt end we'll have nothing to hold our coke in and it will be just as bad.

Mellor · 12-06-2007 04:54PM

I couldn't take him seriously, he sounds exactly like Kermit the Frog

dalk · 12-06-2007 04:58PM

I love the tone of some the replies to the climate change debate. Basically:

Hi, i'm Joe Soap who isn't an expert on climate but i reckon that the majority of scientists whose jobs it is to study these things are wrong. I base my conclusion on the fact that i can form an opinion and I seem to be under the illusion that all opinions are equal... So my opinion is just as valid as an experts.

zuutroy · 12-06-2007 05:22PM

dalk wrote:

Hi, i'm Joe Soap who isn't an expert on climate

How do you know those replying aren't very well educated or even experts on the subject?

Duggy747 · 12-06-2007 05:26PM

dalk wrote:

Hi, i'm Joe Soap who isn't an expert on climate but i reckon that the majority of scientists whose jobs it is to study these things are wrong. I base my conclusion on the fact that i can form an opinion and I seem to be under the illusion that all opinions are equal... So my opinion is just as valid as an experts.

Well, if you change one word above you pretty much come to the same conclusion:

Hi, i'm Joe Soap who isn't an expert on climate but i reckon that the majority of scientists whose jobs it is to study these things are right. I base my conclusion on the fact that i can form an opinion and I seem to be under the illusion that all opinions are equal... So my opinion is just as valid as an experts.

Hmmm!

Jesus, chill out or don't bother contributing to the thread.

OctavarIan · 12-06-2007 05:28PM

He missed out something. If we did take action and the doomsayers turned out to be right we'd still have a depression, not a smily face!

Sam Vimes · 12-06-2007 06:05PM

Duggy747 wrote:

Well, if you change one word above you pretty much come to the same conclusion:

Hi, i'm Joe Soap who isn't an expert on climate but i reckon that the majority of scientists whose jobs it is to study these things are right. I base my conclusion on the fact that i can form an opinion and I seem to be under the illusion that all opinions are equal... So my opinion is just as valid as an experts.

Hmmm!

Jesus, chill out or don't bother contributing to the thread.

how is that the same thing? one is saying that people who have extensively studied the subject are wrong based on nothing but the person's own prejudices and one is trusting people people who have extensively studied the subject because, well, they've extensively studied the subject

homah_7ft · 12-06-2007 06:08PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

how is that the same thing? one is saying that people who have extensively studied the subject are wrong based on nothing but the person's own prejudices and one is trusting people people who have extensively studied the subject because, well, they've extensively studied the subject

In the words of meatloaf. You took the word right out of my mouth. You have to give more weight to the opinion of someone who has spent their working life studying these things.

nobodythere · 12-06-2007 09:13PM

It's fine. This planet won't support 6billion for long (see http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net for reasoning on this).

This problem will work itself out if we focus our energy on getting rid of our dependancy on fossil fuels.

stepbar · 12-06-2007 10:06PM

Wow, I wasted 10 minutes of my life watching that crap. :rolleyes:

jimmycrackcorm · 12-06-2007 10:11PM

More Global Warming = lower Natural Gas Bills in the winter. Hence it will all balance out nicely.

zuutroy · 12-06-2007 10:12PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

More Global Warming = lower Natural Gas Bills in the winter. Hence it will all balance out nicely.

Yeah, and all the countries that are already hot will get hotter and all them peeps will die and we won't have to fund them anymore. We'll be rich!

stevejazzx · 13-06-2007 12:25AM

global warming ha!
gimme a break..i mean just becaue we've pumped incessant amounts of c02 into the sky thereby thinning the earths atmosphere doesn't mean anything except that there is more suinlight getting through to the earth and that the earth is gradually becoming hotter and hotter,so what?
this happened before - there have been extreme climate flucuations and we've been grand becasue the world is only 6 thousand years old and humans have been around since the begining so...
the ice age ha...dinosaurs ha...it's all a conspiracy..yes an elaborate global scientific conspiracy just like the 'thoery of evolution' don't get me started on that..simplistic lifeforms..single celled organisms heated from sun! gradually becoming more and more complex...yeah right. Don't you think an invisible all powerful creator who just popped into existence himself is a more logical explanation? honestly some people...

andrew · 13-06-2007 01:31AM

I think the existance of the Junior And Leaving cert tests should be factored into climate modals.. they must in some way contribute to summer heatwaves

Anti · 13-06-2007 08:10AM

stevejazzx wrote:

global warming ha!
gimme a break..i mean just becaue we've pumped incessant amounts of c02 into the sky thereby thinning the earths atmosphere doesn't mean anything except that there is more suinlight getting through to the earth and that the earth is gradually becoming hotter and hotter,so what?
this happened before - there have been extreme climate flucuations and we've been grand becasue the world is only 6 thousand years old and humans have been around since the begining so...
the ice age ha...dinosaurs ha...it's all a conspiracy..yes an elaborate global scientific conspiracy just like the 'thoery of evolution' don't get me started on that..simplistic lifeforms..single celled organisms heated from sun! gradually becoming more and more complex...yeah right. Don't you think an invisible all powerful creator who just popped into existence himself is a more logical explanation? honestly some people...

The world is 6000 years old? Or do you mean the oldest records of human civilisation?

Tar.Aldarion · 13-06-2007 08:34AM

He is being a mite sarcarstic.

Mahatma coat · 13-06-2007 08:49AM

Anti wrote:

The world is 6000 years old? Or do you mean the oldest records of human civilisation?

Praise be Brother, of course he meant the oldest record of Human civilisation, it actualy tells us how the world came about, "In the beginning there was nothing, and the lord said let there be light..................."

Brothers and Sisters, HAAAAAave you seEEEEen the light ?

If you have does it appear to be any brighter or hotter recently??

Unpossible · 13-06-2007 10:24AM

zuutroy wrote:

Yeah, and all the countries that are already hot will get hotter and all them peeps will die and we won't have to fund them anymore. We'll be rich!

I think we will see more of them trying to get into europe instead of just sitting around in africa waiting to die.

Mahatma coat · 13-06-2007 10:55AM

if the telly is to be believed thsts all they're doing at the moment anyway

jor el · 13-06-2007 12:27PM

There was an interesting documentary on C4 a while back, The Great Global Warming Swindle. It made some pretty stark comments, a lot of which have been denied by the proponents of the global warming threat but some of which can't be denied. There is a level of truth in it though, pity some of the facts were miss-represented (or just plain made up).

Parts I did find particularly good were

* Author and economist James Shikwati says in the programme that environmentalists campaign against Africa using its fossil fuels: "there's somebody keen to kill the African dream. And the African dream is to develop." He describes renewable power as "luxurious experimentation" that might work for rich countries but will never work for Africa: "I don't see how a solar panel is going to power a steel industry ... We are being told, 'Don't touch your resources. Don't touch your oil. Don't touch your coal.' That is suicide."
* An example is given in the film of a Kenyan health clinic which is powered by solar panels which do not provide enough electricity for both the medical refrigerator and the lights at the same time. The programme describes the idea of restricting the world's poorest people to alternative energy sources as "the most morally repugnant aspect of the Global Warming campaign."

Also, anyone who remembers the 1970s and early 80s will remember that a new Ice Age was on the way and the earth was cooling down. This was a scientific fact at the time. This scientific fact was evidently wrong (for now anyway). In 20 years time, will global warming be proven wrong too?

Although certainly temperatures do seem to be on the up and up, I'm skeptical about the causes. How much impact do we actually have on the global temperature?

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