Refused kidney donation(giving, not taking)

randomname2005 · 02-06-2007 12:24PM

monkeyfudge wrote:

If you go down the road of unrelated organ donations then you can find yourself in a situation where wealthy people can pay large sums of money to get people to donate organs to them. It all becomes a bit ethically iffy then.

I've got 3 kidneys myself, and I'm keeping them thank you.

Oh.. and bone marrow is another good one that you can donate in Ireland if you're willing to go through it.

But you still cant do related live donations in Ireland which is very silly as people in desperate need of donations are often too ill to travel to countries where this can be performed.

And regarding the whole reduction of life expectancy, if your relation is going to die in a short period of time, surely it is your choice if you want to donate a kidney so you can spend an extra 40/50 years with them rather than two or three, even if it means you die at 75 rather than 85?

Sean7 · 02-06-2007 06:29PM

Get a rich yank to fly you to the states and pay €100,000 for you healthy kidney for his dying son.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-06-2007 07:29PM

without a kidney you don't live long without medical intervention
and despite several hundred million years of evolution we still have two, even though we've lost or shrunk a lot of other organs since

if you donate a kidney then don't expect it back if you have a problem later on

maybe 1 in 20 recipients will die in the first year, and 1 in 10 kidneys will fail

The success rate from living non-relate donors isn't a lot better than from dead donors. This together with the risk to you in an operation and the risk of you dying earlier than you would otherwise means it's not really ethically correct to do. And besides you might change your mind.

if you really want to do something get a kidney donor card , and get everyone you know to get one and somehow push for a change in the law so we become like France where there is an opt-out database, where everyone is assumed to be a donor unless they are on the database.

also dead people don't take up space in our overcrowded hospitals while recovering from surgery.

o1s1n · 02-06-2007 07:54PM

Ever heard of the Jesus Christians? Over half the cult have donated a kidney to a stranger. I remember seeing a documentary about them a while back. Wouldn't mind tracking it down.

turbot · 02-06-2007 08:17PM

Hmmm you could offer to sell it on ebay with a low starting price.

Xylem · 02-06-2007 11:05PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

The success rate from living non-relate donors isn't a lot better than from dead donors. This together with the risk to you in an operation and the risk of you dying earlier than you would otherwise

Wrong.

monkeyfudge · 02-06-2007 11:25PM

Xylem wrote:

Wrong.

Any time you go under general anesthetic you run the risk of death.

cson · 02-06-2007 11:29PM

Xylem wrote:

Wrong.

Really, for a first post I would expect a little bit more development than "wrong". You won't last round here buddy if keep that up.

Xylem · 02-06-2007 11:33PM

monkeyfudge wrote:

Any time you go under general anesthetic you run the risk of death.

I was replying to the bold text, about people who donate a kidney dying younger.

Supercell · 02-06-2007 11:33PM

FFS , seriously to the OP, nature gave you two of them, if one was needed only - you would only have one.

No doubt some people can survive fine with only one just like some people can eat peanuts while they kill others.

Unless you have a real and urgent need to donate to someone like a family member then tbh Irish legislation is saving people like you from themselves.

joe. · 03-06-2007 12:08AM

5starpool wrote:

Maybe someday you will realise your dream and wake up in a bathtub full of ice in Prague or Budapest.

lololol

:D:D

Capt'n Midnight · 03-06-2007 12:13AM

here's an idea !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6714063.stm

CyberGhost · 03-06-2007 04:32AM

5starpool wrote:

Maybe someday you will realise your dream and wake up in a bathtub full of ice in Prague or Budapest.

LOL!

davyjose · 03-06-2007 09:54AM

OP I really think you are crazy - you are given 2 for a reason. What if your other one failed at one stage? What if in the future you had a child who needed one. While your offer is undoubtedly generous, there are other ways of being charitable.

theTinker · 03-06-2007 12:07PM

Sorry for delay posting, was at a christening all day/night yesterday. Good crack. f.starving for breakkie at the moment.

There seems to be a bit of different beliefs on how much life shortening effect donating would have. This is why i really wanted to speak to a nurse about it. Alot of conjecture.

Longfield wrote:

FFS , seriously to the OP, nature gave you two of them, if one was needed only - you would only have one.

No doubt some people can survive fine with only one just like some people can eat peanuts while they kill others.

Unless you have a real and urgent need to donate to someone like a family member then tbh Irish legislation is saving people like you from themselves.

Thanks for the points. Well if i overlooked the fact that its not a family member/dear friend, etc. The way i kinda see it is that there is someone who has a real and urgent need for one. Like i'd dive out onto a road to save someone from a car regardless of my relationship to them so i dont seem to believe that i have to be real close to a person in order to help them like that.
Like some kid/wife/brother etc is waiting around with a fairly good chance of dying. As morbid as it is, i dont need to rush this decision thank god as theres always someone needing one.ew.

davyjose wrote:

OP I really think you are crazy - you are given 2 for a reason. What if your other one failed at one stage? What if in the future you had a child who needed one. While your offer is undoubtedly generous, there are other ways of being charitable.

If the other one failed. Yes i would be in a fairly serious bit of trouble there. But if any of my organs ever failed, i'd be in the same trouble

.
Granted this is one that i would avoid such trouble if i kept it but if everyone was a bit more freely giving them, then i would be able to recieve. Obviously im aware thats not the case at the moment(and its the whole recycling argument all over again

) but its gotta start somewhere i guess.
If my child needed one in the future, thats one of my biggest concerns. That would absolutely haunt me for the rest of my life. On the other side of the coin though, The odds are well in my favour that any children wont need one and none of my family also, plus then theres the chance that i could not be a match anyways. I completely understand that thats the optimistic view though. Could be well and truely F**ked if i was wrong.

Anyways, this was all stuff in my head before. My post was really about Ireland not allowing non related LIVING kidney donations and peoples opinions on that.
I was well and truely shocked by it. Considering thats theres so much money floating about and that we are 1st world country. It seems odd that the system hasn't progressed further than this already. Unless it was a conscience decision to refuse it, but i'm not informed on that stuff so i'm not sure.
I guess all the articles ive read have been from mostly the US/England where its allowed.

davyjose · 03-06-2007 12:18PM

There's also the risk, not to mention massive trauma, of a major operation being performed on you.

If it means that much to you go to America/England!!! I'm sure if you're willing to give up a vital organ, then a few bob on a ticket won't take much out of you (excuse the pun)

Xylem · 03-06-2007 04:07PM

theTinker wrote:

There seems to be a bit of different beliefs on how much life shortening effect donating would have. This is why i really wanted to speak to a nurse about it. Alot of conjecture.

Well I can only go by own experience.

I had an nephrectomy when I was 11 years old and just celebrated by 22 birthday last Wednesday. I can tell you that (unless all the doctors were lying to me) removing a kidney does not shorten life expentancy. Sure there are risks with all surgeries, but it was pretty straight forward, I was only in hospital for about fours days after my operation.

The follow-up is seeing a doctor every three years, just to make sure everything is going smoothly. For me the most traumatic thing about the whole experience were the stitches, which were absolute agony... oh, and the awful hospital food.

Anyway thats my story, I admire you Mr. Tinker. It's an extremely selfless and generous act for anyone to do.

theTinker · 03-06-2007 05:41PM

Xylem wrote:

Well I can only go by own experience.

I had an nephrectomy when I was 11 years old and just celebrated by 22 birthday last Wednesday. I can tell you that (unless all the doctors were lying to me) removing a kidney does not shorten life expentancy

Now thats what I thought before. No site i read really mentioned a definite shorter life. It was always things like "well if u have a problem with your remaining kidney then...." and there was a fair few restrictions on pain killers. I dont mind that cause i dont really take any except for serious things,

I read a few times that theres a long recovery time but i had my appendix out so i know how painful stuff like that could be. Although a kidney removal would be much longer obviously.

Xylem · 03-06-2007 05:59PM

theTinker wrote:

I read a few times that theres a long recovery time but i had my appendix out so i know how painful stuff like that could be. Although a kidney removal would be much longer obviously.

Honestly no, if anything I was encouraged by my doctor to continue with gentle exercise/normal living as soon as my stitches healed.

Refused kidney donation(giving, not taking)

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