I love the Garda !!!!!!!

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 04:50PM

AlmightyCushion wrote:

I've known duggy for the past three years. I'd say the most he was up to was a bit of jokin' around with his mates (don't know any of them so can't vouch for them) as anyone else would be outside the chip shop after a few pints in the pub.

Honestly though, get him to adjust the statement a bit, there is such thing as being too innocent man.

ronanp · 21-05-2007 04:52PM

The real problem here is that the gardai can get away with this, because in this country there'll always be enough ****in eejits out there to assume that even though everything they've heard is to the contrary, the gardai must be right. Like FlutterinBantam and Jumpy.

Duggy747 · 21-05-2007 04:54PM

AlmightyCushion wrote:

I've known duggy for the past three years. I'd say the most he was up to was a bit of jokin' around with his mates (don't know any of them so can't vouch for them) as anyone else would be outside the chip shop after a few pints in the pub.

That was the thing, I'd understand IF he had a legit reason to pull me but I was litterly at the kerb with me 2 mates. I always thought that he assumed I was pulling the piss outta him for being at the kerb.

Anywho AlmightyCushion I was full sure I told you, I told Frank......I think!

AlmightyCushion · 21-05-2007 04:54PM

Jumpy wrote:

Honestly though, get him to adjust the statement a bit, there is such thing as being too innocent man.

I wasn't there so how do I know if he's lying or not. For all I know he was attacked by a dinosaur in a bathing suit after the guards let him go. All I'm saying is he's not the scumbag type that warrents the attention of the guards and wouldn't exageratte a story just to make him look like a poor defenseless victim.

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 04:54PM

Elessar wrote:

Irrelevant. No gardai should act in this manner towards anyone, "stressed" or not.

You took that wrong, I was saying his account of what happened is far too biased towards himself and against the guard. My automatic reaction is scepticism, whether it be the truth or not.

skywalker · 21-05-2007 04:54PM

Jumpy wrote:

*coff* bull**** *coff*

While I think the Gardai in this country are useless, they are still monitored. If this were true, the gardai in question would be TORN APART by the judge, and his career cut very short by his superiors. Not making a statement at a prearranged time resulting in Obstruction. What a crock.

Secondly, his chances of obtaining an arrest warrant for that? Nil.

I dont really care whether some randomer believes me. I dont have an agenda or a reason to lie.

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 04:55PM

ronanp wrote:

The real problem here is that the gardai can get away with this, because in this country there'll always be enough ****in eejits out there to assume that even though everything they've heard is to the contrary, the gardai must be right. Like FlutterinBantam and Jumpy.

Yeah "fight the power".

Go you.

imeatingchips · 21-05-2007 04:56PM

there's always going to be some that are bent as s-hooks though isn't there? the proverbial few bad apples.

A problem I've found with an awful lot of them is they think they they're so much superior to the man on the street.

I got started on by one as well once - pushing me round with his head and all that. I wouldn't mind but I was the one who called them. the bollix. I only got treated like a human by them after I got a solictor and then it was all "well mister x, there was a lot of confusion, tempers were flared blah blah are you off anywhere nice on holidays this year". w@ankers. they came in ready to batter anyone and everyone.

and i know lads now in the gardai who [edit - removed something - probably not best to say that] yet theyre the first to voice their opinions on knackers and scumbags.

but i say nothin - cos its dead handy to know a garda!!

AlmightyCushion · 21-05-2007 04:56PM

Duggy747 wrote:

That was the thing, I'd understand IF he had a legit reason to pull me but I was litterly at the kerb with me 2 mates. I always thought that he assumed I was pulling the piss outta him for being at the kerb.

Anywho AlmightyCushion I was full sure I told you, I told Frank......I think!

No you didn't but you'd tell Frank :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:. Man I thought we were friends.

Kingp35 · 21-05-2007 04:57PM

Jumpy wrote:

Sorry there, but can you expand on this incident? Otherwise your credibility has just gone out the window. Have you been brought to the station or are in some way known to the gardai?
The quoted statement has basically said you have had (a) previous encounter(s) with this guy.
As much as I would love to believe what you have just said here, I actually dont.

How exactly has his credibility gone out the window? Because one guard on a power trip seems to have taken a fancy to him? There are bad guards all over the country, Dublin as well and I have had a few run ins with them before over certain things they have done.

One quick example was when I was walking home with my mate one night when there was a drunk guy that was lying on the path and his mates were helping him up. A guard comes flying in and rips the drunk guy off the ground and really smashed him against the wall. This was far too much force and I said it to him. He didnt like that at all and started giving threatening to arrest me and my mate under section blah blah. I asked him to quote me that section and he couldn't do it. He quickly rang in back up to arrest me and my mate when 2 squad cars come flying down the road. It got interesting then as a big crowd of people started sticking up for me and my mate. The guards knew they were ****ed because everyone saw that the original guard was too violent and so they let us and the drunken guy go.

Point is dont let a guard on a power trip mess you around. Make a complaint, you did nothing wrong and he shouldn't have done what he did.

Duggy747 · 21-05-2007 04:57PM

Jumpy wrote:

You took that wrong, I was saying his account of what happened is far too biased towards himself and against the guard. My automatic reaction is scepticism, whether it be the truth or not.

You're right to be skeptical but that's the honest truth, word-for-word. You don't forget an incident like that and it's pretty much second nature for stuff like that to happen in my town.

ronanp · 21-05-2007 04:57PM

Jumpy wrote:

Yeah "fight the power".

Go you.

Eh?

Who's fighting what now?

Mr. Incognito · 21-05-2007 04:58PM

I have to tell a story that happened to a mate of mine. He was walking down Quay street hammered one night and where the road crosses he put up his hand to thank the car for stopping. It was a squad car and the charged him with, no joke, directing traffic!
He got his fine and about a month later we were smoking rollies outside the cellar. One of the lads thought we were smoking joints and he was drunk as a skunk. Two cops came aroung the corner and he pulled the rollie from my mates lips and ran off down the street with it. No more said the cops arrested him on the spot and dragged him into the cellar in cuffs to get all our bags. They interrogated him down in the station asking him who his dealer was and why our other mate ran away. They searched all our bags and then in the morning when they had found nothing charged him on a trumped up charge of being drunk and disorderly. Now this was the second time he has been screwed over so his father hired a barrister to defend the case. We were all there as witnesses and it was a classic moment. The court was plodding along, and the garda got up and started spouting acompletely fabricated story about how my mate was drunk and in danger of falling of the kerb. When the barrister got up to cross examine her she was in shock. She didn't know that the case was going to be contested as rarely happens and in fairness the barrister turned her inside out.
Barrister "So my client was drunk and falling into the street"
Garda "Yes"
Barrister" So you were called to the scene by the bouncers?"
Garda "yes"
Barrister "Because of my client?"
Garda" No there was a fight"
Barrister" So how did you see my client whilst you were looking at the fight"
Garda" The bouncer pointed him out"
Barrister" So you didn't see him"
Garda: Silent
Barrister" Lets move on, so you arrested him for being drunk and then what did you do.
Garda " We went in and got the bags"
Barrister "So you paraded my client through the bar in handcuffs to get the bags
Garda "No"
Barrister, "Then how did you know which bags to get"
Garda" He described them"
Barrister, pause "I see, and why did you take the bags exactly"
Garda" Pardon"
Barrister" Well, you arrested him for being drunk why did you go take his and his friends bags that my clients supposedly described in such great detail, described in such great detail for a man that was falling into the street 5 minutes earlier
Garda" Well he asked for his......bag" (Laughter in the court)
Barrister "His bag, really, so why did you take his friends bags too?"
Garda "He asked for their.........his bag" (Laughter in the court)
Barrister "I see, what if I told you that I have witnesses in this court that will tell how you arrested my client on suspicion of smoking a joint, a mistaken suspicion as it turned out and paraded him thorugh the bar in hand cuffs to take his and his friends bags"
Garda " We arrested him for the safety of himself and others" (This is what it says in the legislation and she was repeating this every time she got stuck"
Barrister" And were you there when he was being interrogated"
Garda "No"
Barrister" And why was a drunk man being interrogated exactly?"
Garda: Silent (Laughter in the court)

My friend was then cross examined by the senior garda who acts on behalf of the prosecution. That was also hilarious. He was trying to mimic the barrister but he was just plain stupid. He would ask a question and fix my friend with a hateful glare as if he was going to scream "I'm guilty" Real old school.
Garda "So how many pints had you"?
Friend "6"
Garda "Could it have been seven"
Friend "No it was 6"
Garda "How can you be sure?"
Friend" Cos I only had thirty euro in my account to spend and that's 6 pints and chips" (Laughter in the court)
Garda "And do you make a habit of standing in front of cars, a few weeks ago perhaps"
Friend "Well I was here a few weeks ago charged with directing traffic"
Barrister "Objection your honour, prior record cannot be entered"

Judge, "I'm dismising this case"

Applause in the court-room. The Garda didn't even apologise. She was bulling. She put on her hat and stormed out.

In short, the guards lie through their teeth. We all know it happens, but people don't want to go into open court and put their word against a guar. They don't want the hassle because the next time you're out for a pint they'll stick you to the wall again. They can victimise you that way.

Mr. Presentable · 21-05-2007 05:02PM

boreds wrote:

Hmmm, I wonder if this is because Gardai in Dublin are Culchies and vice versa?

It's because a Garda is only sent to some s***hole down the bog if he's a c**t.

Important. These are not my terms, but are what they regard the punishment terms to be.

A good cop is not sent to Achill, if you will.

digitally-yours · 21-05-2007 05:03PM

ronanp wrote:

The real problem here is that the gardai can get away with this, because in this country there'll always be enough ****in eejits out there to assume that even though everything they've heard is to the contrary, the gardai must be right. Like FlutterinBantam and Jumpy.

I believe that you are right

why is he a free man ? why he hasent been prosecuted ?

you cant have it both ways . Arrest some one and then release someone

its not a ****ing joke .Its peoples real life. careers ,families have been ruined because of these mistakes

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 05:07PM

I wont quote SetantaL because its very long, but this is sort of what is behind my scepticism.
The gardai do not have to be particularly intelligent to be in the gardai (not stupid mind you, it just doesnt need a doctors IQ)
However, trumped up stupid charges are never going to get passed by the judge. They are extremely smart and have had had countless cases of bull**** like this put in front of them. A dismissed case reflects very badly on the gardai and their superiors would not tolerate it for long.

Duggy747 · 21-05-2007 05:08PM

It's pretty damn hard to get a bad garda done too, believe me, countless amount of times I've heard case thrown out the window. Mainly because of the person's criminal record which is used against them over & over, and if the case fails.........well, you're pretty much better off skipping town cuz they'll monitor ya, drive slowly beside you as you're walking, pick you out of a crowd pretty f*ckin' quickly, etc. I see this sh!t all the time.

patrickolee · 21-05-2007 05:14PM

Jumpy wrote:

I wont quote SetantaL because its very long, but this is sort of what is behind my scepticism.
The gardai do not have to be particularly intelligent to be in the gardai (not stupid mind you, it just doesnt need a doctors IQ)
However, trumped up stupid charges are never going to get passed by the judge. They are extremely smart and have had had countless cases of bull**** like this put in front of them. A dismissed case reflects very badly on the gardai and their superiors would not tolerate it for long.

I wouldn't be so sure... he may have been convicted if hadn't had the skills of the barrister on his side, which most people wouldn't bother forking out for a case at that level.

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 05:15PM

If you dont mind me asking, was he convicted for the "Directing traffic" charge?

Mr. Incognito · 21-05-2007 05:16PM

I wont quote SetantaL because its very long, but this is sort of what is behind my scepticism.
The gardai do not have to be particularly intelligent to be in the gardai (not stupid mind you, it just doesnt need a doctors IQ)
However, trumped up stupid charges are never going to get passed by the judge. They are extremely smart and have had had countless cases of bull**** like this put in front of them. A dismissed case reflects very badly on the gardai and their superiors would not tolerate it for long.

This naiveity is exactly why i posted. The first time he was up for directing traffic as he put his hand up at a zebra crossing to thank the squad car for stopping. Thi is the stupid stuff that Gardai get away with and lie through their teeth in the dock up and down the country week after week. Sure it won't stand up if you have 1000 euro or more to hire a barrister, but if he hadn't gotten his father involved what hope had he. Everyone is afraid of the guards.

markk06 · 21-05-2007 05:19PM

Duggy747 wrote:

It's pretty damn hard to get a bad garda done too, believe me, countless amount of times I've heard case thrown out the window. Mainly because of the person's criminal record which is used against them over & over, and if the case fails.........well, you're pretty much better off skipping town cuz they'll monitor ya, drive slowly beside you as you're walking, pick you out of a crowd pretty f*ckin' quickly, etc. I see this sh!t all the time.

So you have heard of people "trying to get garda done" and you see people who already have criminal records being hassled by the gardai... I

I for one dont know anyone who's ever had to take a garda to court, or been hassled by the gardai continuously for no reason. Could it be the fact that you sir are in fact friends with total nackers who deserve this treatment because without it they are more likely to commit more crime??

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 05:19PM

patrickolee wrote:

I wouldn't be so sure... he may have been convicted if hadn't had the skills of the barrister on his side, which most people wouldn't bother forking out for a case at that level.

If only it were possible to get all the judges in the country lined up and ask them all one question.

"Would you always accept the word of the Gardai in the courtroom" I would put money on them saying "Not a chance"

I will re-iterate that they are far from stupid and dont really require the help of a barrister to spot holes in a story.

grumpytrousers · 21-05-2007 05:21PM

markk06 wrote:

So you have heard of people "trying to get garda done" and you see people who already have criminal records being hassled by the gardai... I

I for one dont know anyone who's ever had to take a garda to court, or been hassled by the gardai continuously for no reason. Could it be the fact that you sir are in fact friends with total nackers who deserve this treatment because without it they are more likely to commit more crime??

thanks for that, superintendent...

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 05:21PM

markk06 wrote:

So you have heard of people "trying to get garda done" and you see people who already have criminal records being hassled by the gardai... I

I for one dont know anyone who's ever had to take a garda to court, or been hassled by the gardai continuously for no reason. Could it be the fact that you sir are in fact friends with total nackers who deserve this treatment because without it they are more likely to commit more crime??

"devils advocate" can only go so far, dont make direct accusations. I must admit it did come to mind, but my point was that his story seems to biased. Not that he is a scumbag. That is being a little offensive.

Duggy747 · 21-05-2007 05:22PM

markk06 wrote:

So you have heard of people "trying to get garda done" and you see people who already have criminal records being hassled by the gardai... I

I for one dont know anyone who's ever had to take a garda to court, or been hassled by the gardai continuously for no reason. Could it be the fact that you sir are in fact friends with total nackers who deserve this treatment because without it they are more likely to commit more crime??

Well, markk06, considering where I'm from and my town is big but not too big to the point where you either know most people or know of them it's......very hard to miss or not hear about stuff like that.

Jumpy · 21-05-2007 05:23PM

SetantaL wrote:

This naiveity is exactly why i posted. The first time he was up for directing traffic as he put his hand up at a zebra crossing to thank the squad car for stopping. Thi is the stupid stuff that Gardai get away with and lie through their teeth in the dock up and down the country week after week. Sure it won't stand up if you have 1000 euro or more to hire a barrister, but if he hadn't gotten his father involved what hope had he. Everyone is afraid of the guards.

But did he actually get done for the directing traffic charge? If he did, I have to say poor bastard (it is sort of funny from an onlookers point of view, perhaps not for him though)

markk06 · 21-05-2007 05:29PM

Duggy747 wrote:

"corrupt bastards"

"pig-headed fuks in a uniform"

"own the streets not given a solitary sh!t for anyone"

"also prone to the ol' kicking the sh!t out of people in the cells"

Are these all things that you can provide proof for or are they just your way of venting your anger. Either way.. post reported

Paddy_Irishman · 21-05-2007 05:40PM

SetantaL wrote:

Bull**** bull****, added in some more bull**** etc

hahahaha, I love the way people always have a 'story' to tell about their 'friend' or 'brother' or sometimes believe it or not, themselves :P.

There are so many holes in that story it's ridiculous. It is also very difficult to work out what your saying in your story as well mind you. I'll just point at the biggest hole which destroys the whole story and yet you try to hide the lie inside it.

You say your mate was arrested for drug possession and questioned in a Garda station and then later charged with Drunken disorderly blah blah. Right.
- By what your saying its in a pub, hence most likely past 12am if they have had 6pints etc etc.
- They are drunk at this stage.
- This is the 1st time somebody has ever smoked a skin infront of that guard and they cant tell the different between tobacco and a bit of snooch.

Right lets look at the rules here.
- If somebody is drunk, you cant hold them for questioning. So thats bollox. You also cant question somebody past 12am without their express permission so thats bollox 2.
- If for some insane reason they still decided to hold them like you say, that would be unlawful detention and the fact its down on paper they were arrested there's no way out. Also, senior Gardai would have to know about a detention of a drugs nature and they'd be in **** because thats kinda a big deal.

What really happened?
Some lads acted like smart asses while drunk. Got arrested. Made some bull**** up while they were in the cell for being drunk and abusive etc and came out with this story which makes the guards look stupid and the person an angel who was fighting back because 'they' will not be picked on anymore, down with this sort of thing! Careful now!

Dont even bother saying " But there was a court case an all blah blah". Lets hypothetically say there was. It was a District court case where the lads didnt want to be prosecuted for anything, so daddy hires a expensive solicitor, barristers only operate in Circuit courts or higher, and any solicitor worth there salt who is getting paid €200 an hour will easily have a puny drunk and disorderly case thrown out in a heart beat. The Judge would have dismissed the bloody case if it was there 1st time up in court, the solicitor wouldnt tell you that for sure, gimmie cash please!

Lets look at the common denominator here for all the stories.

Drink

People get drunk and do stupid things. Some people get drunk and stoned and do stupid things. If you took drink out of all the peoples stories, they wouldnt have happened.

AlmightyCushion wrote:

Why didn't you tell me this on the train on Sunday :mad: See if you can get the cctv tape off the chip shop. It won't show what went on in ht egarda station but it will show that you weren't in the middle of the road. Write up a report and send it too the Ombudsman like said above. Bring the fúckin' cúnt down Duggy. The main reason this keeps happening is because people just say "fúckin' w@nker" and shrug it off. If yerr man gets a rake of complaints about this sort of thing, something might get done (that's a very big might) even if he's just told to chill out and stop being such a cúnt.

No the main reason it supposably keeps happening is the above word in bold. Of course it would be ignorant to say there are never times when people really are ****ed around by the gardai, but not nearly as much as people claim. The reason people 'shrug' it off is not because "Oh nothing will be done about it" it's because they would not admit to anybody else that they were a drunk fool and got treated like one accordingly and if it was pressed further thats what everybody would find out about these abused 'angels'. That said if it was me I know I wouldnt got admitting I was a drunk fool either, its a very Irish thing to just make up a story which makes you sound like you really got the harsh end of things

. Poor me

. Fuk them

. most people realise this when they hear it and are just polite and listen but by the sound of you, there's always 1 as tayto say, who believe it wholeheartidly.

To the OP. Ye your such an angel in your story its just too hard to believe you man. It's seems from your 'story' some hot headed prick of a guard decided to come over to you and tell a drunken lad to get off the street and the said drunken lad, you, decided that this prick can go **** him self and either ignored him or gave him abuse back. Bad move with a **** of a guard like that from what you say of course. He could have been reasonable with you intially and you acted the **** so got treated like one. You should have known better either way, use your head. Easily said when sober thou.

Regardless of that, you went on to say how you were back in the station and being searched. You refused to sign for your rights on the basis of, find drugs on me or I wont sign it. You must have been drunk then, or just being difficult. If you actually read it, it's just basic information saying why you've been arrested, you get the use of a phone, you may be searched etc etc, you are not required to sign it and that would be noted. All it does is say you received that piece of paper from them, thats it. Doesnt make you guilty of anything, not a thing, just you got a single sheet of paper with stuff on it you probably already knew.

You were obviously being difficult and being a smart ass. Your own fault, dont have an attitude and you wont get one back. It's what I've found anyway. That said, you could have been dealing with a real dick head of a guard and you deffinetly werent acting as you said in your story also there could be past history between this 'guard' and you over a girl/mates/incident in pub/ family etc etc. Regardless of that you find azzholes/pricks in all walks of life and there is a way of dealing with them too but you have to be a bigger man to be able to do it.

godtabh · 21-05-2007 05:41PM

skywalker wrote:

Guards are just like anyone else, You get assholes in any profession. Unfortunately they have more power to **** with people than your average asshole.

A mate was robbed was robbed by a junkie a few years back while working in a phone shop, and the guard who eventually took control of the case really took a dislike to my mate, despite him being the star witness, not the perp.

One particular day he couldnt come up to meet the guard as arranged to go over his statement, so the guard went & got a warrant for obstruction of justice(I think, or something very similar) & went to my mates new job (he'd left the previous one for fear of junkie reprisal because he was testifying against him) & made a point of arresting him as publicly as possible in front of his whole shop. Put him in cuffs & into a squadcar & drove off with the sirens blazing.

Very tough to trust guards after something like that happening to you.

That sounds well dodgey in that I dont believe a word of it (except maybe that your friend got mugged and changed jobs).

jimi_t · 21-05-2007 05:49PM

There's a lot of secondhand "friend of friend stuff" going on here. I believe some of it, others with a pinch of salt, but nothing wrong with having a rant now and again. It's part and parcel of being Irish.

If you want a well documented and legitimate text talking about garda brutality, you could do worse than read Fr. Peter Mc Verry's book "The Meaning in the Shadows". Title's a bit crap, but this guy is the real deal. I spent two weeks with him in one of the homeless hostels he set up in drumcondra, talking to the guys there, going to their hearings in the courts etc... The stories I heard from both himself and the guys in the hostel make the events here sound a tad Fischer Price.

http://www.veritas.ie/veritas/asp/section.asp?s=309

Here's an extract from the book (available online @URL, no copyright issues).

The struggle in Summerhill was not just to survive – and some didn’t- – but to survive with dignity. Those in Summerhill, like millions in poverty around our world, were the real defenders of human rights as they struggled to affirm their dignity in the face of relentless and persevering opposition.

After a short while, we realised that one of the urgent unmet needs was that of the children. Most of the children had left school early, some at nine or ten years of age; they were hanging around the streets; they had no money in their pockets so they invariably started robbing; they ended up in jail. Going to jail was, for some, just as inevitable, just as much part of their life, as going to third -level education was for others. I sometimes visited three generations of the same family in prison together – mother and daughter, or father and son, sharing the same prison cell, the grandfather, in deference to his age, having a cell of his own. These were kids with no fear. I watched in horror as children climbed drainpipes to get into their flat on the fourth floor, because their mother was out and they didn’t know when she would return. While other children (foolishly) poured petrol on their Halloween bonfire to get a better effect, these kids used a full petrol tank with car attached, oblivious to, or uncaring of, the danger. We began working with the children.

It was not very long before I was questioning everything I had, for so long, taken for granted. I thought I knew right from wrong. Robbing what belonged to another was wrong; there was little need for any discussion of the issue. But here were kids who could never afford to buy a new pair of jeans robbing a pair from a large department store, which made millions of pounds in profit every year to be distributed amongst the shareholders who were already very comfortably off. I was not able to condemn these kids. What was right and what was wrong?

They would get arrested for shoplifting or burglary and get a hiding in the garda station. Two crimes would be committed, one a larceny; the other a violent assault on a young person. But the assault was never prosecuted while the larceny was. The kid went to jail for shoplifting, but no-one went to jail for leaving him bruised and sore. The kid was branded a criminal for life, the garda was considered an upstanding, respected member of society. Where was right and wrong?

Even worse, the gardaí are rightly understood to be defenders of society; their role is to ensure the safety and security of that society. So when a garda batters a kid from Summerhill, the kid understands that it is society that is doing it to him. When a garda calls a kid a ‘scumbag’, it is society that calls him that. I thought my job was to instil into these young people a respect for society and for the laws of society – now I saw that I was wasting my breath, unless I could first instil into society a respect for these kids. I never understood why someone would maliciously damage public property; smash a telephone, uproot a young, recently planted, tree, smash public lighting – now I understand the alienation that produces such incidents.

The worst story in it though, is that of two girls in their early 20s - One an architect, the other (her sister) a respected fashion designer from New York. A car was reversing down grafton street (a pedestrian street) at speed at about half twelve on a Friday night, and as the two girls jumped to avoid it, one of them banged on the boot with the palm of her hand to alert the driver of the danger (and illegality) of his actions. Both were sober.

Four Gardai jumped out of the car, grabbed the two girls and called up a riot van. The two girls were thrown into the back, one of them was pinned to the ground and her head repeatedly hit off the floor of the van resulting in a broken nose.

Now, the story continues in this vein - further manhandling in the police station and a night in the cells. They took a case against the Gardai who immediately tried a cash settlement, twice, but no written apology or media coverage. The girls refused and eventually prevaled.

The point at the end of the story McVerry is that this happens nearly every single night of the week somewhere in Dublin. These two girls just happened to be of the right social background and have the cash and means to do something about it.

I love the Garda !!!!!!!

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