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Is the word ginger insulting?

  • 17-05-2007 09:56PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭


    Today I was asked the question below by an non-Irish person (on another forum) who wanted to know if the use of the word "ginger" when referring to someone with red hair is considered insulting in Ireland. Is it? First I've heard about this but as a non-ginger ;) maybe thats not too surprising.
    Hey, John

    I've got a question for you. I made reference to *********** as "ginger" awhile back and a moderator asked me to change the reference, saying the term is insulting in Ireland.

    ...
    {snipped a bit here}
    ...

    So my question is, what is the status of that term among the Irish, when it refers to red hair? Is it always insulting, or sometimes? ???

    So what say you people of Ireland? Is this guy hurling vicious insults to all and sundry?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Insulting? How exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Mossy Monk wrote:
    Insulting? How exactly?
    Thats kind of what I'm wondering... This guy was PM'd by a mod on another forum saying he had insulted a person by refering to him as ginger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Must be an overly sensitive person. But then I don't have ginger hair so can't really say how someone with ginger hair would feel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Ginger is not insulting but it does generally conjour images of ugly pale looking people with freckles and bug-eyes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Ginger or Ging-er ?

    (Hmm, sudden flashback to getting a slap from a red-head chick for
    inquiring about the health of her fire-pus... and who said red-heads
    don't have tempers)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Binomate


    It's not like they have souls or anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Irishpimpdude


    Pigman II wrote:
    Ginger is not insulting but it does generally conjour images of ugly pale looking people with freckles and bug-eyes.
    Dont forget there sexy red hair!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Binomate wrote:
    It's not like they have souls or anything.

    i heard that if u take a photo of a ginger, they believe their soul has been taken in the image


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭YeAh!


    Pigman II wrote:
    Ginger is not insulting but it does generally conjour images of ugly pale looking people with freckles and bug-eyes.
    Im ginger and i've never ever been called ginger in an abusive, insulting way. Id find it no more insulting than blondes would. Its all about the general image it conjures up. (Blonde - airhead).....(Ginger - images of ugly pale looking people with freckles and bug-eyes, as you put it Pigman).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    Was the person english by chance?

    It is an insulting term in england as it is a derogatory term for gays.

    Cockney slang
    Ginger beer= queer

    though you did say it was in terms of hair.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Was the person english by chance?

    It is an insulting term in england as it is a derogatory term for gays.

    Cockney slang
    Ginger beer= queer

    though you did say it was in terms of hair.
    Most likely the mod who complained would have been English but I'm not certain yet. I'm trying to find out exactly who they were. The person who asked me the question was an American.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭lemansky


    Binomate wrote:
    It's not like they have souls or anything.
    Excellent:D I doubt that anybody found that post offensive,especially gingers!This is how the term ginger and related insults like that are taken here.As a laugh nothing serious.If somebody gets wound up having been called one then they're just looking for an excuse to blow their tops,not because they're actually offended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Thats pretty much what I was thinking alright as I just cant see anyone taking it as a serious insult especially since the post in question (which I never actually saw btw) would almost certainly have been positive towards the "ginger" person. Still though, it prompted a mod to complain and tell a user to edit their post. It’s a bit of a strange one really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    Daywalkers!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    1 in 10 is redhead in Ireland so there's a lot of gingers about.

    "Of course, part of the problem with redheads
    is that there aren't enough of them.
    They make up just two percent of the
    US population. So they're pretty extraordinary.
    Redheads are too numerous to be ignored,
    too rare to be accepted".

    Grant McCracken, from his book Big Hair: A Journey Into the Transformation of Self


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    I was on a bus today and a middle-aged woman was talking to a young mother with a red-headed baby. "Ginger!" she said. "Is her father ginger?"

    You could see the mother flinching. She realised the woman wasn't actually trying to be rude, and said "Ah no, my own hair is a bit gingery." But at first she clearly took it as a rude way of talking about red hair.

    I flinched myself. I'd say red-haired, or strawberry blonde, or auburn, depending on the shade. I'd never say ginger unless I was teasing, and I'd only tease if I knew someone well enough that they wouldn't think I was being nasty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    biko wrote:
    1 in 10 is redhead in Ireland so there's a lot of gingers about.

    Orly? Surely it's less? I don't know many at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I've red hair and I don't find it insulting. However people have tried to insult me by calling me "ginger", but its water of a ducks back.

    Btw, these people weren't Irish so maybe the Mod on that forum was taking the word "Ginger" in an English context, dunno.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Trippie


    it is,only about 4% of the population has red hair afaik


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    It's only insulting to Karoma. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    simu wrote:
    Orly? Surely it's less? I don't know many at all.
    Ya rly, I heard it before but wiki agrees.

    Time for a hair colour poll methinks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    I hear they're getting close to a cure.


  • Posts: 36,733 CMod ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Ginger and spice and everything nice?" My Galway gran would say such things...

    Oh, wasn't Ginger the actress bombshell on Gilligan's Island?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Scrotum


    I'm a ginger does'nt bother me at all.
    Sometimes when i'm reading a book on the green the odd trog
    asks me if i've "read pubes".

    I must remember that that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭tallus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭Hail 2 Da Chimp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    oh grow up :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭Hail 2 Da Chimp


    "Ginger and spice and everything nice?" My Galway gran would say such things...
    Oh and your granny was wrong its "Sugar and spice" ...Nothing nice ever came from being ginger! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭tallus


    Oh and your granny was wrong its "Sugar and spice" ...Nothing nice ever came from being ginger! :P
    LOL! nearly choked on me tea!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    The Ginger: These fall into two categories: male, and female:

    The male ginger is often the victim of undeserved abuse because of his pale skin tone and unusual hair colour. These can often lead to dramatic insults such as 'Ging-er!' or 'Why so pale?'.

    The female ginger has entirely different powers. Hence the phrase 'fiery redhead'. They cultivate the 'pale and freckly' look in an entirely different way.


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