[US/IRL] 3x19 - "The Brig" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

L31mr0d · 04-05-2007 09:20AM

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maybe i'm a bit more gruesome than most, but wouldn't it of been easier for Locke to just take his dads head with him in his rucksack rather than drag the whole body through the jungle? I mean hes, what, at least a 2 day walk from the Others at this point, and hes going to be moving a lot slower with a dead body on his shoulders. That things going to start to stink out in the jungle heat in no time :rolleyes:

ZiabR · 04-05-2007 09:26AM

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PiE wrote:

As much as I want to ride her, I'd have slapped Kate silly for running off blabbering to Jack. What the feck's wrong with her? "Your friends don't trust you Jack..." yada yada. They're your friends too Kate, and they asked you not to tell Jack. Skank.

Oh and I severely doubt Ben doesn't know about that Richard guy having a chat with Locke. There must be a reason Ben wanted Locke's dad gone.

I actually have to agree with you. I was cursing the screen when she ran to Jack, grrrrr.

Star Lord · 04-05-2007 12:11PM

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Same here, I was cursing Kate too!

And I was wondering how it was so easy to carry the body BY THE HEAD... surely it'd be easier to have it over his shoulder at the waist...

ZiabR · 04-05-2007 12:22PM

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L31mr0d wrote:

maybe i'm a bit more gruesome than most, but wouldn't it of been easier for Locke to just take his dads head with him in his rucksack rather than drag the whole body through the jungle? I mean hes, what, at least a 2 day walk from the Others at this point, and hes going to be moving a lot slower with a dead body on his shoulders. That things going to start to stink out in the jungle heat in no time :rolleyes:

LOL thats the first thing i thought of too, cut his head off and bring that to Ben.

The Gnome · 04-05-2007 03:19PM

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That was some good viewing. Am I the only one who thought at first that Ben didn't want Locke to kill Cooper? I was sure it was a test and it would have fit in with the "We're good people" "We're not killers" stuff that was repeated a lot.

Sort of "Here is the person who hurt the most in your life, weak and at your mercy. Will you take revenge or turn the other cheek?" When Ben turned around and said turned around and said "He's not who we thought he was" I was expected applause and cheers as Locke had passed his final test....

Maybe I'm just completely.... lost?:)

Sad Professor · 04-05-2007 03:24PM

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Another thing I just noticed. This episode takes place 3 days after "D.O.C." which puts it at Day 91. Locke said the Others are planning to attack the beach in 3 days. So the finale will take place on December 24, Christmas Eve.

damnyanks · 04-05-2007 03:32PM

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Maybe Santa run's the island then.

Miguel_Sanchez · 04-05-2007 03:40PM

Jack and Juliet know something big. It's not a turn the tables on the Others scheme (althought they might have that going too) but something to do with getting off the island or the impossibility of getting off the island.

I was sure we were going to get at least one line from Jack before they cut to credits but alas no. Next week then. Ggggrrrrrr.......

And Naomi did stumble upon the island by chance but she did say that she had co-oridnates that her company were working from so they were at least in the right area.

ZiabR · 04-05-2007 03:46PM

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Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

Jack and Juliet know something big. It's not a turn the tables on the Others scheme (althought they might have that going too) but something to do with getting off the island or the impossibility of getting off the island.

I was sure we were going to get at least one line from Jack before they cut to credits but alas no. Next week then. Ggggrrrrrr.......

And Naomi did stumble upon the island by chance but she did say that she had co-oridnates that her company were working from so they were at least in the right area.

But known to them all that is in the area they were given is water. There is no Island according to the her on the maps etc.

Sad Professor · 04-05-2007 03:49PM

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I take back what I said earlier about Naomi lying. She may be working with the two Portuguese-speaking technicians we saw in the listening station last season. They spoke to Penny over the phone but it's possible they never actually met her. They were hired to look for electromagnetic signatures but that's all. So they may know nothing about the island itself.

ZiabR · 04-05-2007 03:58PM

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Sad Professor wrote:

I take back what I said earlier about Naomi lying. She may be working with the two Portuguese-speaking technicians we saw in the listening station last season. They spoke to Penny over the phone but it's possible they never actually met her. They were hired to look for electromagnetic signatures but that's all. So they may know nothing about the island itself.

Aye, thats a good point. On finding the electromagnetic signature they would have sent the search team including Naomi.

Miguel_Sanchez · 04-05-2007 04:45PM

Of course the question is - how did she know to look for the electromagnetic signature?

Sad Professor · 04-05-2007 04:54PM

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Well I think Penny may know all about the island, she may even be Dharma. She told Naomi and her company what to look for.

PiE · 04-05-2007 05:07PM

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Still though, why did she not just speak English from the beginning? It's the first language you'd expect anyone to try, anywhere in the world... especially since shes English!

I'm with Sayid on not trusting her one bit.

Snake Plisken · 04-05-2007 05:13PM

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Great Episode, I'd give it a 9. I still think they're all dead might come through, can somebody explain to me how both Cooper & Naomi, were able to confirm the details of the flight going down with no survivors? Maybe its an alternative dimension and the island is the connection between this dimension and the one that the losties are in? Maybe its a bit like Stephen Kings the Longoliers? The story there was flight crashes but number of survivors wake up on the plane, in a kind of yesterday dimension.

Snake

PiE · 04-05-2007 05:21PM

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They said something about the wreckage being found near Bali in an ocean trench 4 miles deep. There's no way you could recover bodies from that deep, therefore no way of positively identifying them. So they'd all just be assumed dead.

Still, it's a long stretch to think Dharma/whoever could plant a whole plane full of bodies down an ocean trench.

Snake Plisken · 04-05-2007 05:37PM

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Just watched the Naomi clip again, two points the wreckage was intact and they sent down robot cameras to the wreckage and all bodies where there. Although how do u bail out of a helicoptor with a parachute? Thought u'd have to be at a pretty high altitude to do that?

Snake

Haven't a Clue · 04-05-2007 06:33PM

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Yeah, it'd be more paragliding out of the helicopter if she landed on the island. I reckon Naomi's genuine, I can't see how she wouldn't be...

deman · 04-05-2007 07:01PM

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Excellent Episode - 9/10

I don't read spoilers or anything else about Lost except for what I read here but I thought we all knew that Cooper was Sawyer's nemesis. I'm surprised that people were shocked by that. I guessed that locke had Cooper and NOT Ben as he claimed right from when he first told Sawyer. Still and all I gave it a 9. That's one question answered for those of you who complain.

But there are more questions....
- Should we trust Noami? I'm with Sayid on this one.
- What are Jack and Julie keeping from Kate? I don't think it's that she's preggers but something else. Why would Julie tell Jack?
- Noami talked about a robot checking out the plane. She didn't say anything about the bodies being recovered though. It's too deep to salvage. Was it planted there knowing that it's too deep?
- If the Others didn't bring Cooper to the island, who did?
- What did Frenchie want with the dynamite? Guess we'll know soon enough. Maybe a new year's fireworks display

Haven't a Clue · 04-05-2007 07:06PM

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I reckon Danielle only wanted dynamite for one of those traps we saw in 'Numbers' in s1. I wouldn't say there's too much to that...

doonothing · 04-05-2007 07:18PM

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ah she'll pop up exploding summat in the finale im sure!

sayid. is. never. wrong!
naomi is the devil

Kiith · 04-05-2007 10:02PM

Brilliant episode. Best of the season so far.

event · 05-05-2007 12:53AM

good episode

few points:

I reckon Naomi is telling the truth, she is following the EMP that came about when Desmond turned teh key. They got a set of co-ordinates from that, and they have now tracked them. The fact she mentioned Desmond, i dont think the others care about him or are even fully aware.

The secret that Jack and Juliet have is that she is playing Ben. That she has told Jack that she is leaving them tapes, so that they will be ready for them when they come.

One more point. Michael and Walt must not have reached the 'outside' world yet. If they had, well then people would know that everyone didnt die in the plane crash!

Sad Professor · 05-05-2007 01:13AM

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event wrote:

One more point. Michael and Walt must not have reached the 'outside' world yet. If they had, well then people would know that everyone didnt die in the plane crash!

I'm not so sure about this. Remember this exchange between Ben and Michael:

Michael: How do you know I won't tell people about where I was?

Ben: Maybe you will, maybe you won't. But it won't matter. Once you leave, you'll never be able to get back here. And my hunch is you won't say a word to anybody because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back.

I think he's right, Michael would be glad he got away and keep his mouth shut, for a while anyway. And if he did say anything who knows what might happen to him. Whoever covered up the plane-crash is very powerful...

voxpop · 05-05-2007 01:21AM

basquille wrote:

ABC (US) - April 2th 2007
Sky One (UK/IRL) - April 6th 2007
RTÉ2 (UK/IRL) - April 7th 2007

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think the dates are wrong here - as in prob shouldnt be April. Maybe already posted in the thread but I didnt want to read any of it just in case....read the spoiler and it fceking sound like a new episode (for IRL that is )

doonothing · 05-05-2007 02:25AM

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Sad Professor wrote:

Everyone seems to be comparing Lost with Heroes. I love both shows but I think it's unfair to compare them. The writers on Heroes are throwing everything at the current episodes, which are brilliant, but I can see them running out of steam next season. I hope I'm wrong though.

From the beginning the writers on Lost have taken a slower paced approach in which things are revealed gradually, little by little, instead of squashing everything into one episode. They're in for the long haul. This can make for frustrating viewing but that's just the way the show is. Everyone loved the first season but we weren't getting any more answers then either. I mean, it took them half a season to get into the hatch.

Speaking for myself, I find the questions more exciting than the answers. It's the journey that's everything, not the destination.

I'm still loving Heroes though

o, i completely agree! i love lost and heroes for verrrry different reasons, the only line of comparison im drawing between them is the fact that theyre both tv shows im obsessed with at the moment!

lost is best watched when you see a full series over 3 days, while heroes i can handle waiting a week because the writers dont seem to mind answering as they go...

i find heroes to be a lot more audience friendly than lost, heroes is constantly keeping the viewer in mind while lost is much more about making the viewer work for the pay off... in my opinion.

loving them both til the end though, whether i like it or not!

King.Penguin · 05-05-2007 02:47AM

Sad Professor wrote:

I'm not so sure about this. Remember this exchange between Ben and Michael:

I think he's right, Michael would be glad he got away and keep his mouth shut, for a while anyway. And if he did say anything who knows what might happen to him. Whoever covered up the plane-crash is very powerful...

Because we have no evidence that confirms Michael and Walt left the island and returned to the real world we can't say for sure they're not still on "the island" or dead (whatever that means in the current context). I think we know from flashbacks that Michael and Walt have little or no family in the real world so perhaps, in theory, they could return without revealing information about the flight. However, more importantly, didn't they hint, at least twice, that Walt had some kind of special power? Presumably the writers will tied up that loose end in either revealing information about Walk through flashbacks from remaining characters perspectives, their return to the island, or coverage of their life off the island post-crash.

I only started Lost after the end of the second series, so I watched a lot of them in a very short space of time. I have to admit the weekly wait in combination with multiple plot lines makes the whole experience frustrating, so much so, I'm considering not watching any more until series is complete (I know I won't last though).

What I preferred about PrisonBreak to Lost is that Prisonbreak usually started off from whence it finished in the previous episode.

ZiabR · 05-05-2007 11:08AM

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King.Penguin wrote:

What I preferred about PrisonBreak to Lost is that Prisonbreak usually started off from whence it finished in the previous episode.

LOST and Prison Break are to complete opposite shows. If the writers of LOST did do the show the way they do, i.e. the flashbacks people would not have a single clue about what is going on. Some of the flashbacks have been so important in LOST that without them the show would make no sense.

Ponster · 05-05-2007 02:34PM

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I can't understand who people don't believe in Naomi. We know that Desmond has a g/f that will do everything to find him. We know that she did find him so it makes sense that she sends a rescue team. The rescue team don't see the island because radar doesn't allow them to (the same way electronic equipment doesn't work) and she only happens upon it when she actually sees it.

IMHO Naomi is for real, Kate is a little silly, Jack knows something that has nothing to do with the fact that device won't work (He replies "Not yet" when asked if they should tell Kate.

Overall a great episode. Most of us has guessed that Locke's dad was the guy that Sawyer was really after sometime last year but it was good to see it confirmed. It was clear as to who Locke had reallt kidnapped also but that just built up the suspense.

Agamemnon · 05-05-2007 03:00PM

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logik wrote:

LOST and Prison Break are to complete opposite shows. If the writers of LOST did do the show the way they do, i.e. the flashbacks people would not have a single clue about what is going on. Some of the flashbacks have been so important in LOST that without them the show would make no sense.

Lost, Prison Break and Heroes are the three best shows on TV/PC these days and we should be happy that we get to watch them all. Heroes is my favourite but they are three very different shows. There are some similarities though: both Lost and Heroes have babes called Claire and Nikki in them and the world is a better place because of it.

Back on the subject of the Others bringing Locke's father to the island: who else might they bring to feck with the Losties' heads? (I know communications with the outside world seem to be down for now but it won't always be that way.) Sawyer has a daughter called Clementine in the outside world (daughter of Cassidy Philips). She might turn up because otherwise what was the point of introducing her? It would be an interesting development, especially if Kate is pregnant.

The way Locke got Sawyer to kill his father was significant - Locke showed Ben-like manipulation skills. Maybe Lost will end with Locke staying on the island and becoming the new leader of the Others.

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[US/IRL] 3x19 - "The Brig" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]