Global Warming.

thebaz · 03-05-2007 10:50AM

some people will always bury there head in the sand , and believe the oil company and right wing governments propaganda -- the temperatures in Eastern and Central Europe are scary , if you think there is nothing unusual about our climate -- i don't like rain and high heating bills-- but no frost , rain, and sharp cold weather ain't good for the environment -- what will it be like in 20 years -- i kind of thought initially global warning was leftish/green propaganda -- but what were experiencing now doesn't seam natural to me.

ninebeanrows · 03-05-2007 10:57AM

In 3 days time you'll all be wishing GW back.. this summer spell is coming to an end.. for how long? i dont know.

zuutroy · 03-05-2007 10:59AM

dlofnep wrote:

The rise of temperature goes side by side with the rise of carbon dioxide.

Yes, but which drives which. Hotter weather due to non man-made causes warms the sea which releases a shed load more CO2 than we produce. Human industry is responsible for less than 1% of CO2 which is in turn makes up 1% of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere

_blank_ · 03-05-2007 11:01AM

I love this new warmer weather.

In fact, I've been using twice as much deodarant, both because I'm sweating more, and to intensify global warming.

Walk down Grafton Street in Dublin in the Sun, it's brilliant.

brianthebard · 03-05-2007 11:10AM

dlofnep wrote:

Yes, infact they did just start happening recently.

2005 had the most hurricanes and storms in recorded history (reference: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2005/hurricanes05.html)

And while the US was being bombarded with Hurricanes, the rest of Europe was being destroyed with record floods.

It's not that bad weather has not happened before - nobody is saying that, it's the intensity and frquency of it that's alarming. Records are being broken across the world every year in the past 15-20 years.

As has been pointed out, these things are cyclical. The US was "bombarded" with hurricanes in the 70's too, and its not like there haven't been floods in Europe before.

AlmightyCushion · 03-05-2007 11:22AM

wes wrote:

Global warming is undeniable at this point......

While the OP's post is based on personal observations, it doesn't negate all the science that show global warming to be a reality. We are the cause and if we don't shape up, the s*** will hit the fan.

There is no undeniable proof that man is responsible for global warming. There are many theories about this and the scientific community is divided on what the cause is.
Some scientists believe man is responsible, others believe that the earth goes through cycles of heating up and cooling down, some others believe that it is to do with sun spots on the sun and I'm sure there are many more. Each of these theories have some proof to back them up but not enough to make it fact. I'll leave you with this. A single volcanic eruption spews out more cabon dioxide than man does in a whole year.

zuutroy · 03-05-2007 11:27AM

And also, the experts are far from sure that Ireland will even experience any warming. Several models predict severe cooling for Ireland. The weather has been amazing though. I literally haven't seen a cloud in 3 weeks and its been 25 every day here in Belgium.

Salthillwarrior · 03-05-2007 11:36AM

If we are talking about anecdotal evidence of global warming then what about when it snowed a month back for a few days? How does that fit into your 'This must be global warming because its warm today' theory?

Global warming and cooling is always happening. People seem to think that they have the right to live in some sort of everlasting, stationary planet where everything stays the same. Well it doesnt. The planet is constantly changing, wheather is constantly changing. Ireland used ot be a volcanic wasteland a thousands of degrees warmer. At times it was part of a massive glacier. The longer trend is for the planet to cool until the suns burns itself out. Have humans had an impact in a short term change? Probaly not. If they have then there is nothing we can do to change it. All we can do is adapt like we always have and look to the near future, a warmer, dryer Ireland. Hurrah!

McSandwich · 03-05-2007 11:48AM

zuutroy wrote:

And also, the experts are far from sure that Ireland will even experience any warming. Several models predict severe cooling for Ireland. The weather has been amazing though. I literally haven't seen a cloud in 3 weeks and its been 25 every day here in Belgium.

There's a theory that ocean warming could cause the gulf stream to shutdown leaving us with a climate similar to Newfoundland

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=9986

and the other side:

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20505

ScumLord · 03-05-2007 11:51AM

The current levels have never been seen on earth in nearly a million years, and that's only because that's how far back the records go which are stored in the lower ice in the ice caps.

How can you possibly believe that's true. It was much hotter in the middle ages than it is now, it's only beginning to come back up to those temperatures now. They had vineyards in the south of England during the middle ages.

Maybe Dublin didn't get a frost (I wouldn't have thought a city would anyway) during the winter but we certainly did in the west. It didn't stop frosting at night up until recently even during the good weather.

We have little or no control over what the weather does, we may be contributing more CO2 to the atmosphere than before but it's still a tiny amount. The sun "controls" completely the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Channel 4 did a documentary on the great global warming swindle, when I heard about it I thought it was oil propaganda but they explained themselves well and it all made sense.

There is actually no proof that CO2 causes temperatures to rise, it works the other way around, when temperature raises the CO2 level goes up. When the sun gets active it warms the oceans which release CO2 (which can take 100s of years) Al Gores film showed this effect by the study of ice caps but lied about the data and didn't mention that the temperature went up, then 800 years later the CO2 went up. To think that we can affect the global temperature in less than 100 more so than the SUN! and OCEANS! can do in 800 years is just stupid.

Global warming has become a political issue and has no basis in fact anymore, we're ignoring real pollution like expanding cities, human waste and industrial farming.

Enjoy the weather for Gods sake we may never see it again.

spooiirt!! · 03-05-2007 12:10PM

Global Warming is an imminent threat!

Please purchase our Hybrids!

Global Warming is going to kill you!

Please encourage you Politicians to purchase our Wind, Solar, and Hydro electric technology.

Seriously though, everyone assumes that any denial of the effect of co2 increase is organised by Oil Companies. But theres a serious amount of cash to be made with renewable energy.

Binomate · 03-05-2007 12:33PM

It has political value as well. Look at when the theory of Global Warming came out. Roughly the same time as the Berlin Wall fell. It might be just another front for Governments to use scare tactics on the public for various reasons. Just another thing to be afraid of.

I only heard the above from a mate of mine who doesn't fully buy in to Global Warming., I don't know it's correct in any way, but it's not a bad point.

Dyr · 03-05-2007 12:35PM

I, for one, welcome our insect overlords

weeder · 03-05-2007 12:42PM

to the guy who said global warming contributed to only 1% by man could you please cite a source for this as it would be an interesting read, my brother thinks the politicians are playing it down and 10 years will see ireland as hot as spain,so i googled and got some scientists predicting 3 degree's in ten years , personally reading this thread ive decided its only a cycle of the earth which we cannot change and personally i believe whatever mother earth throws at us man will survive it, after all they did survive the last ice age didnt they

zuutroy · 03-05-2007 12:50PM

weeder wrote:

to the guy who said global warming contributed to only 1% by man could you please cite a source for this as it would be an interesting read

If you mean me, I said that <1% of the Greenhouse effect was caused by man, not less than 1% of GW.
Here's one of many links:

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

weeder · 03-05-2007 12:52PM

yeah sorry thats what i meant >.<

cooperguy · 03-05-2007 12:59PM

People keep going back to the fact that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles so its just a natural thing. Everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that these cycles take hundreds of years and the "cycle" we're in at the moment has raised the temperature significantly in just 100 to 200 years. If this is a natural cycle it sure is picking up speed compared to previous cycles.

Also people are saying there are a large number of conflicting thoeries and there are as much scientists backing up these theories as knocking them. This may have been true 5 years ago but today a large majority of scientists are behind the greenhouse gasses/global warming theory.

Anyway at the end of the day even if it is natural and everybody will be grand its always a good thing to move to renewable energy etc. the way we currently power our world is bad for our health, expensive and cant last forever anyway because they are limited resources.

ScumLord · 03-05-2007 12:59PM

Here's the doco on youtube,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXc9H5JSyow

Heres the wikipedia page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

McSandwich · 03-05-2007 01:07PM

Binomate wrote:

It has political value as well. Look at when the theory of Global Warming came out. Roughly the same time as the Berlin Wall fell. It might be just another front for Governments to use scare tactics on the public for various reasons. Just another thing to be afraid of.

I only heard the above from a mate of mine who doesn't fully buy in to Global Warming., I don't know it's correct in any way, but it's not a bad point.

Why then are politicians playing down the effects of global warming?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/01/news/warm.php

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/channel/earth/climate-change/mg19425993.000-editorial-nowhere-to-turn-for-climate-change-deniers.html

L31mr0d · 03-05-2007 01:23PM

nobodies really touched on it but, regardless of whether or not this is a natural earth cycle or the result of mans impact on the environment the earth is globally warming... thus "global warming" is happening. You can argue until the cows come home about which theory is right, it still doesn't change the fact that the icecaps are melting, the seasons are getting shorter and that our generation is going to see the Arctic disappear. Regardless of the cause, the effect is happening now.

Also regardless of whether it will have an effect or not, we should all be investing in renewable energy. If not, you are going to start to see more and more nuclear power plants popping up all over the world as the substitute. The less reasons governments have to invest in nuclear energy as the solution the better

McSandwich · 03-05-2007 01:27PM

cooperguy wrote:

Anyway at the end of the day even if it is natural and everybody will be grand its always a good thing to move to renewable energy etc. the way we currently power our world is bad for our health, expensive and cant last forever anyway because they are limited resources.

Exactly, and that cannot be denied.

In my opinion, burning oil at the current rate is an incredible waste of a valuable resource. We need it for production of medicines, plastics, synthetic fibres, replacement body parts, antiseptics, fertiliser, construction materials, amongst many other things.

When all the oil is gone, we may have to live without many of these things. Even if you think (man made) global warming is a myth, that's a good enough reason to make more use of renewable energy.

Fanny Cradock · 03-05-2007 01:27PM

Endurance Man wrote:

Dont cows farts cause more global warming than man made gasses? That cant really be out fault.

No, it's their burps. Besides, we are the ones who are actively breeding the cattle for our consumption, e.g. Big Macs. I see no difference breeding them to excess and putting more cars on the road.

Steyr · 03-05-2007 01:31PM

If this is Global Warming then bring it on....:D Did anybody hear that Scientist on PK ( Pat Kenny ) a few weeks ago saying that Global Warming was Normal and that the Earth is doing this in a Cycle, basically he said that the Earth is heating up naturally and then down the line will cool down again then heat up again. I dont care i love the Sun keep it coming!:D

padi89 · 03-05-2007 01:35PM

ScumLord wrote:

Here's the doco on youtube,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXc9H5JSyow

Heres the wikipedia page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

Heres the programme in full, i found it very interesting.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=the+great+global+warming+swindle

Salthillwarrior · 03-05-2007 01:38PM

nobodies really touched on it but, regardless of whether or not this is a natural earth cycle or the result of mans impact on the environment the earth is globally warming... thus "global warming" is happening. You can argue until the cows come home about which theory is right, it still doesn't change the fact that the icecaps are melting, the seasons are getting shorter and that our generation is going to see the Arctic disappear. Regardless of the cause, the effect is happening now.

You're dead right. It is happening but not on a huge scale though(.6c in 100 years). How long it will continue to warm and to what extent nobody knows and if they say they do then they are wrong. So we should just go with the flow, adapt if needs be and stay energy effiecient as that makes good sense regardless.

Ice_Box · 03-05-2007 01:46PM

Im sure Steorn will save us all just in time. :rolleyes:

Glowing · 03-05-2007 01:49PM

I think a major part of the problem is not the actual temperature increase, but the fact that it will cause many of our natural cycles to spiral out of control leading to an exponental increase in temperature, Co2 release, etc etc ... nobody knows where that point of no return is however, but the recent article in the Sunday Times Magazine estimated 2 degress.

Today is an unnaturally hot day!

beans · 03-05-2007 02:02PM

Some would argue that conserving our water supplies is more important than what car you drive. Without water for drinking and irrigation... well we know how that looks.

Think of the water used in industry, the water required to produce a Big Mac - dealing with our levels of consumption of such water-hungry processes always struck me as a great place for the man on the street to make a difference. Just a thought.

Salthillwarrior · 03-05-2007 02:04PM

Some would argue that conserving our water supplies is more important than what car you drive. Without water for drinking and irrigation... well we know how that looks.

We're never going to run out of water though are we, seeing as the polar caps are melting. Whatever it takes there will be water a plenty in the future. Just another little challenge for humans to overcome.

cooperguy · 03-05-2007 02:18PM

Salthillwarrior wrote:

We're never going to run out of water though are we, seeing as the polar caps are melting. Whatever it takes there will be water a plenty in the future. Just another little challenge for humans to overcome.

Ya no matter how bad droughts get surely we'll still be able to use de-salination on the oceans to produce our water. It might be expensive etc. but it is possible

Global Warming.

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