Beeyatch got owned on the bus and I loled!

Binomate · 19-04-2007 01:17PM #1

Usually you only see the odd bus conductor or two get on your bus and ask to see your ticket once every four months or so. Today on the way home from college, not one, not two, but three bus conductors got on my bus and started checking everyone's tickets. There was a lady in her late 30's / early 40's sitting in the seat opposite me who saw two of the three inspecters come up the stairs and tried to make a break for it, but the two conductors grabed her as she was going by and smacked her in the face with an €80 on the spot fine. She had a ticket, but they were pointing out to her that it was invalid for where she was at the minute from where she got on, so whether or not she intentionally paid less for the ticket is unknown. Either way, her wallot felt the pain and I'd say she was pretty mortified because of the fact she tried to get off and got caught by the conductors in front of about 20 people who then began to stare and in my case, laugh. Anyways, what's the deal with these muppets? Why does it take 3 conductors to check a bus for tickets? What happens if you can't pay the on the spot fine? Why do the bus conductors all have no hair and why is it such a rarety to see them get on your bus?

P.S, Maybe this thread would be better suited to the Dublin forums seeing as it was on Dublin Bus, but I'm sure there are conductors on Bus Eireann too so it might or might not apply.

Degsy · 19-04-2007 01:18PM

Was the woman foreign as a matter of interest?

Binomate · 19-04-2007 01:20PM

Degsy wrote:

Was the woman foreign as a matter of interest?

Nope, she was Irish.

Degsy · 19-04-2007 01:22PM

Binomate wrote:

Nope, she was Irish.

Good enough for her then!!!:D

Wigertoods · 19-04-2007 01:23PM

The fact that she tried to do a legger would suggest that she knew that she hadn't paid the correct fare in the first place so serves her right.

as for 3 of them maybe it's the safety in numbers thing.After all like the clampers they wouldn't be the most liked people even if they are only doing their job.

Rhyme · 19-04-2007 01:27PM

Binomate wrote:

...but the two conductors grabed her as she was going by and smacked her in the face with an €80 on the spot fine...

I initially thought you said they smacked her. I imagined a conductor close-lining a woman and laughed

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Kimbot · 19-04-2007 01:30PM

I see people underpaying on the bus all the time!!
They get on ahead of me at the very first stop, pay about a Euro and go the full distance of the bus route!!
At the end of the day people will always try to get away with as much as they can!!

jellie · 19-04-2007 01:32PM

Twice in the last week bus drivers have given me the wrong ticket despite paying the correct amount.. what happens then i wonder..

phantom_lord · 19-04-2007 01:36PM

jonny24ie wrote:

I see people underpaying on the bus all the time!!
They get on ahead of me at the very first stop, pay about a Euro and go the full distance of the bus route!!
At the end of the day people will always try to get away with as much as they can!!

i wonder if this is +ev.

u only get checked every few months. someone work it out...

Kimbot · 19-04-2007 01:38PM

phantom_lord wrote:

i wonder if this is +ev.

Sad Professor · 19-04-2007 01:52PM

sar84 wrote:

Twice in the last week bus drivers have given me the wrong ticket despite paying the correct amount.. what happens then i wonder..

You need make sure you get the right ticket, there's no way of proving it later.

nesf · 19-04-2007 02:05PM

phantom_lord wrote:

i wonder if this is +ev.

u only get checked every few months. someone work it out...

Maybe but a few bad runs back to back and your bankroll could be ****ed. €400 for a week of getting caught every day in a row for instance...

Kimbot · 19-04-2007 02:06PM

Ah right, me gets it now!!

thelordofcheese · 19-04-2007 02:06PM

phantom_lord wrote:

i wonder if this is +ev.

jonny24ie wrote:

I think he meant +ve, the maths shorthand for positive.
as in "i wonder if this is positive"

patrickolee · 19-04-2007 02:13PM

sar84 wrote:

Twice in the last week bus drivers have given me the wrong ticket despite paying the correct amount.. what happens then i wonder..

That happened me recently too... and have you noticed they seem to have stopped giving the refund slip? I paid 2Euro and asked for a 1.60, got 1.40 with no over charge thing. I thought the used to give a 'refund' ticket which you could then take to the main dublin bus office and cash in?

brianthebard · 19-04-2007 02:24PM

Fantastic pwnage there. Regarding your question of the on the spot fine, I believe the on the spot part refers to the dealing out of the fine and you actually have ninety days in which to pay it (or appeal).

phantom_lord · 19-04-2007 02:27PM

nesf wrote:

Maybe but a few bad runs back to back and your bankroll could be ****ed. €400 for a week of getting caught every day in a row for instance...

hmm, yeah, i guess that could happen, you'd have to make sure you're adequately rolled to take the swings.

maybe the lower variance, method of paying correctly would be better, albeit it would be passing up an edge i think.

Macspower · 19-04-2007 02:36PM

phantom_lord wrote:

hmm, yeah, i guess that could happen, you'd have to make sure you're adequately rolled to take the swings.

maybe the lower variance, method of paying correctly would be better, albeit it would be passing up an edge i think.

Problem i see with this is the variance. you could go on a run of BB and start running badly and then tilt off your BR by trying to buy more tickets than you should thus increasing the variance.

Or you could go for a full week and be ahead and on 5th street ...... bang there she is....

Mac

ditpoker · 19-04-2007 02:38PM

so a bus conductor says "here's your fine of 80, you have 90 days to pay"

you smile and say thank you and walk off the bus and throw it in the bin.... then..!?!?

do they ask for ID? can they ask for ID? would i be right in saying they have little power in this regard?!

Bus guy: "whats your name"
me "robert robertson the fourth, junior"
Bus guy "here's your fine robert"
me "good man, i'll be paying this promptly"
... fine gets lost somehow!??!

EDIT: and suppose they do have the power to ask for id, (and im 85% certain that you have no obligation to anyone guards included to have your wallet searched) but what if you genuinely have no id... what happens then!?!

phantom_lord · 19-04-2007 02:42PM

i'm serious about this!

It's something I wondered about very briefly as I was buying my ticket, the whole ev of going for the cheap ticket. i dunno what you're risk of ruin would be but I'm sure it's not difficult to calculate.

there's the metagame aspect of the embarrassment/stress, but we'll leave that aside for the moment.

Mitch Connor · 19-04-2007 02:47PM

ditpoker wrote:

so a bus conductor says "here's your fine of 80, you have 90 days to pay"

you smile and say thank you and walk off the bus and throw it in the bin.... then..!?!?

do they ask for ID? can they ask for ID? would i be right in saying they have little power in this regard?!

Bus guy: "whats your name"
me "robert robertson the fourth, junior"
Bus guy "here's your fine robert"
me "good man, i'll be paying this promptly"
... fine gets lost somehow!??!

EDIT: and suppose they do have the power to ask for id, (and im 85% certain that you have no obligation to anyone guards included to have your wallet searched) but what if you genuinely have no id... what happens then!?!

one of my mates was on a dart the other day - he was heading back to greystones, and says he 'forgot' he had originally got his return from Bray, into dublin. Anyway, he got caught.

The lad asked for his details, name address and the like, so my mate gave them - all the correct info. The guy asked him if the nifo was correct and my mate said it was.

Inspec:"Are you sure?".....
Mate: "Yep".
the inspector then takes out a mobile phone;
Inspec:"I can ring the gardi and ask them to meet us at the station to confirm your details"
Mate: "Fine, the info is correct"
Inspec: "I will....i'll ring them!"
Mate: "OK"
Inspec: "..........fine! I've no way of checking....this information better be correct!"

InFront · 19-04-2007 02:47PM

I was on the bus before with no ticket (bad habit of throwing them into the ticket bin after getting it, had never met an inspector before) and I explained to the inspector what had happened and he was just like, yeah, thats grand, whatever!
You see it happening on the Luas a lot though. I don't know why people won't just pay the fare.

Pherekydes · 19-04-2007 02:47PM

Binomate wrote:

Usually you only see the odd bus conductor...

Back in the day, when we actually had bus conductors, there existed a species of CIE employee known as the ticket inspector. I'm thinking that the bus conductor has become extinct, while the ticket inspector still inspires terror wherever they roam, now in threes.

Just a clarification from an old fogey. Carry on with the thread...

brianthebard · 19-04-2007 02:47PM

ditpoker wrote:

so a bus conductor says "here's your fine of 80, you have 90 days to pay"

you smile and say thank you and walk off the bus and throw it in the bin.... then..!?!?

do they ask for ID? can they ask for ID? would i be right in saying they have little power in this regard?!

Bus guy: "whats your name"
me "robert robertson the fourth, junior"
Bus guy "here's your fine robert"
me "good man, i'll be paying this promptly"
... fine gets lost somehow!??!

EDIT: and suppose they do have the power to ask for id, (and im 85% certain that you have no obligation to anyone guards included to have your wallet searched) but what if you genuinely have no id... what happens then!?!

You are legally required to carry id. If you don't give it to them i assume they either have the right to ask for it/take it, or they could bring you to a garda station. if you "lost" the ticket, you would probably get a court summons after the ninety days.

Binomate · 19-04-2007 02:51PM

Slow coach wrote:

Back in the day, when we actually had bus conductors, there existed a species of CIE employee known as the ticket inspector. I'm thinking that the bus conductor has become extinct, while the ticket inspector still inpires terror wherever they roam, now in threes.

Just a clarification from an old fogey. Carry on with the thread...

They are the Dublin Bus elite.

LuckyLloyd · 19-04-2007 02:52PM

Macspower, Phantom Lord and Ditpoker are clearly trolling this thread and should be banned from this forum. Just my two cents.

InFront · 19-04-2007 02:56PM

brianthebard wrote:

You are legally required to carry id.

Everywhere? Or just on public transport?

brianthebard · 19-04-2007 02:58PM

I'm pretty sure its required of every citizen to carry id.

zuutroy · 19-04-2007 03:00PM

I remember getting the bus when I was younger and I'd ask for a '55' which was the short journey adult fare, and the bus driver'd say....'Ya better be off by Annesley Bridge, I'll remember ya', in a threatening manner, after which I'd have to pretend I didn't know and cough up the extra 25p to go to town.

zuutroy · 19-04-2007 03:00PM

brianthebard wrote:

I'm pretty sure its required of every citizen to carry id.

It sure ain't! Most EU countries thats the case, but not in Ireland

Beeyatch got owned on the bus and I loled!

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