Johnny Come Latelys and Bandwagon Jumpers

Royale with Cheese wrote:

What's happening now for cricket is fantastic. I was in town last night, like I'm sure many other people. St. Patricks night, Dublin city centre. Fairly large pub which is totally packed at about 10.30 and they're showing cricket on a big screen and several other tv's around the pub.

Not only that but there was a huge roar everytime Ireland got one run, not to mention when they actually won the game. Nothing pisses me off more than people who have no idea about the game just saying its 'gay' and then they just say spiffing in an upper class English accent over and over. Ireland's run in the world cup will go a long way to changing the image of the game in this country, which imo is the main reason the sport is as lowly regarded by many as it is.

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Kindly point out where that was an anti-GAA post? Note I mentioned soccer in the same sentence. I'm not anti-GAA, or anti-soccer. Heck, I like both. I'm merely pointing out that there are a lot of people out there who dismiss cricket because a) they don't understand it b) are unwilling to understand it and c) the element in Irish society that really see it as the epitome of Englishness and want nothing to do with it.

Look, I've been there, done that, wore the t-shirt. I've gone through that with my family. And at a time when the only cricket available to me was Peter West and Tony Lewis on BBC Television. 20 years ago, liking cricket down the country was a huge taboo. Its not anymore, or it shouldn't be. And Ireland doing so well is being cheered on, as anecdotal evidence shows on these very boards.

DMC wrote:

Kindly point out where that was an anti-GAA post? Note I mentioned soccer in the same sentence. I'm not anti-GAA, or anti-soccer. Heck, I like both. I'm merely pointing out that there are a lot of people out there who dismiss cricket because a) they don't understand it b) are unwilling to understand it and c) the element in Irish society that really see it as the epitome of Englishness and want nothing to do with it.

Look, I've been there, done that, wore the t-shirt. I've gone through that with my family. And at a time when the only cricket available to me was Peter West and Tony Lewis on BBC Television. 20 years ago, liking cricket down the country was a huge taboo. Its not anymore, or it shouldn't be. And Ireland doing so well is being cheered on, as anecdotal evidence shows on these very boards.

Was meant tongue in cheek! And i accept your point. And I did say what an achievement it was. You'll always have begrudgers in every sport including the GAA, which was my main point. There's plenty who will dismiss the GAA because a) they don't understand it and b) worse, not willing to understand (John Inverdale and Jarlath Burns being examples of understanding different sports but being proud of your own also) and c) people who associate it with Irishness and Republicanism when the vast majority who watch and support it aren't, especially Hurling. On TV coverage, could say the same about the GAA with BBC NI and UTV but thats for another topic and thread!

Iemillst - Could be construed that u are tarring people with the same brush but i don't believe u are. Unfortunately the GAA sometimes are victims of their own history. I admire Rugby and Cricket for the all embracing element but it seems harder for Ulster Rugby and GAA to shed the political side often thro no fault of their own.

The rest of your sentiments I fully agree with. Sport is often a result of where u are born and what sport is available there, not individual choice, more's the pity. GAA is just as innocent these days as Cricket or Rugby, ask John Inverdale.

Anyway fully behind Trent and the team and the Super Eights, Learning already! Seems like a bigger achievement than Ireland beating England or Italy in Soccer or Australia or S. Africa in Rugby considering the player base.

We all love an underdog in any sport.

DMC wrote:

LOL, thats where comes in


Inverdale is a student of history as well as an accomplished broadcaster. He's fantastic. If you heard him before the English game in Croke Park on RTÉ Radio 1's "This Week", you know he has his finger on the pulse. There is a thought amongst some GAA supporters (and to a lesser extent some soccer too) that if you don't support, you are somehow less Irish. Its as if they have a hold on what it means to be Irish. What a load of junk that is.



It is. Beating Pakistan was huge, seismic. We always cheer the underdog. Look at Dwayne Leverock of Bermuda. All 20 stone of him, and people are saying, "good on him, well done." And its even better when the underdog is your very own.

My smilies wheren't working at the time. Firefox maybe!:mad:

I agree with what u say about some GAA supporters but they are a smaller and smaller minority.

Inverdale was brilliant as was Jarlath Burns, the TG4 Presenter. It's funny how misconceptions can affect sport. Jarlath actually invited John Inverdale over to watch Ulster GAA Club matches a few years back to get a feel for what the GAA is truely about. He has been to All-Ireland finals as well. U could have a misconception of Jarlath as well. Won an Ulster Medal for Armagh, played for Crossmaglen and is a fluent Irish speaker. However he invited Inverdale over to help him understand the GAA. As Inverdale said the GAA is not some Republican/Nationalist organisation to be feared, it is to be embraced for it's Irish culture and as an example of how successful an amateur organisation can be in this professional era. Jarlath Burns has introduced Rugby to the school where he teaches so it shows how misconceptions can effect all sports.

All schools, North and South should have more sports available. Would be a great away of breaking down the prejudices that exist. It tend to be people of a certain generation who have the prejudices.

I have brought people in Donegal of the so called "opposite persuasion" to Croke Park and other GAA grounds, including a Cricket supporter! Many have been back. I'm sure some would have had misconceptions but they where willing to go and experience it for themselves. It's more about the sport, the atmosphere and the day out with a mixed support of all counties. I'm sure the same goes for Cricket.

Anyway, my rant out there so what are the chances for Ireland on Friday and if they do qualify as seems likely who are the teams they are going to meet in the Super 8? is the Super 8 run on a knock out basis or is there groups?

DMC wrote:

The Super 8 is another league, save for you don't play the team thats in the Super 8's from your Group. So, in Ireland's case, IF they qualify for the Super 8's they won't play the West Indies. The points gained from the match West Indies go forward to the Super 8's, so you will see at the start of the Super 8's 4 teams with 2 points, and 4 with 0.

The top 4 then play in the semis, straight knockout then.

They play the other 6 teams from the other 3 groups who qualified. Its not certain who will qualify for the Super 8's but Australia and the West Indies are definitely through.

The chances of Ireland qualifying are, firstly, in the hands of Pakistan and Zimbabwe on Wednesday. Its their final groups games. If Zimbabwe beat Pakistan, we must beat the West Indies on Friday. We will be in the position to know what is required to qualify on Wednesday, after that game.

I'm confused! So if Ireland go thro, they can't play the WI in the Super 8. Ok.

Teams who won their final matches in the initial groups get 2 points or teams who finish top of their group get 2 points?

Then each team play the other 6 who they haven't played before and the top 4 out of that go to the semi-finals? How are the places decided? Is it 2 points for a win 1 for a draw or does runs scored come into it like tries in European Cup Rugby ?

Welcome along

The winner is the team with the most runs at or before 50 overs in a one-day game. So in your scenario, is team A. Team B needed 201 runs to win from 50 overs.

It wouldnt be unfair, its chasing the target that matters.

Side A will set the target, 101 is what Side B need, so at the start of Side B's innings, they know exactly what is needed to win. All that matters is that Side B need to get to 101 within 50 overs. It doesnt matter how they achive it, i.e. how many wickets they lose in getting to 101.

zaph wrote:

The way I see it, a lot of extra people are watching cricket now because there's an Irish team competing and they're doing quite well. It's like when Jordan were in Formula 1, all of a sudden there were thousands interested in a sport that I'd been quietly watching for years. The key difference however, is that unlike F1 some of the new cricket fans can actually get involved and play the game. This can only be good for the future of the sport in Ireland as a) some genuinely talented players may be unearthed that may have otherwise been undiscovered; and b) the more that play, the higher the profile and the whole thing expands exponentially.

I do also think that the ICC have been instrumental in gaining new fans in places like Ireland through the promotion of limited overs competitions. I'm not really a fan, but in the past if there was nothing else on tv and I came across a one day match I'd watch it for a while. If it was a test match I'd switch off immediately as I think that format is mind-numbing. Now I know there are a lot of subtleties to the game and this is heresy to the real cricket fans here, but the one day games remove a lot of the perceived stuffiness attached to the sport and usually offer genuine excitement for the entire match. And who knows, if I watch enough of them I might actually start to enjoy test matches.

Banned for heresy!!!!!:p

DMC wrote:

Indeed, on Sky Sports News this morning!

He won't get too many votes from the NCU or NWCU contingent

yeah seen that,probably packing his suitcase and sun cream atm:rolleyes:

nurse_baz wrote:

have we any decent cricket grounds in Ireland/Dublin

Castle Avenue in Clontarf would be our premier ground (in the ROI) and is usually used for internationals.

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Castle Avenue in Clontarf would be our premier ground (in the ROI) and is usually used for internationals.

Although not ODI class yet, iirc. The Civil Service CC grounds in Stormont is, though.

I would agree that the ICU needs the Govt/Lotto/Sugar Daddy delete as appropriate to give us a super-club grounds and facilities that could be transformed into a 5-10,000 seater ground..