Bit shy about gettin legally high....

JC 2K3 · 11-03-2007 08:06PM

Overheal wrote:

How many schizophrenics do you know as a result of cannabis intake? I know none personally.

That was part of my point. Also, how people do you know to have died from taking a standard dose of pure MDMA or BZP?

Overheal wrote:

Also on a much more important note: better to be schizophrenic than DEAD

If you regulate your intake of substances they won't do you harm. If cannabis does indeed cause/aggrivate schizophrenia then it's not gonna happen unless you're a total OTT pothead who smokes far too much. On the same note, you won't die or develop health problems from a stimulant like BZP, MDMA or Amphetamines if you don't take too much at once or don't take it too often.

My point was that you're applying double standards to drugs when there's actually no medical proof to back up your allegations. Also, your advice that someone should get weed as opposed to BZP is illogical. Why would someone looking for a stimulant want weed?

flamingo · 12-03-2007 03:06AM

Overheal wrote:

How many schizophrenics do you know as a result of cannabis intake? I know none personally.

Most of the people with schizophrenia or other forms of psychosis I've met have themselves attributed the condition, at least in part, to cannabis intake. There's plenty of reputable research to back it up, just most people tend to say it's scare-mongering. :rolleyes:

flamingo · 12-03-2007 03:09AM

Overheal wrote:

Also on a much more important note: better to be schizophrenic than DEAD

Many schizophrenics would disagree with that at some point in their lives. It's impact is far-reaching and often under-estimated. Just so you know!

flamingo · 12-03-2007 03:16AM

JC 2K3 wrote:

If cannabis does indeed cause/aggrivate schizophrenia then it's not gonna happen unless you're a total OTT pothead who smokes far too much.

Sorry to be harping on about this! And not that I'm anti-drugs at all at all .... but this really isn't necessarily the case! For some people it takes only one or two joints to trigger the reaction. It depends on personal tolerance, some people are just luckier than others; unfortunately some people just don't know until it's too late that they cannot safely smoke at all. It's a misconception to think that schizophrenia is only caused/aggravated by overuse ..

Lecture over!

Overheal · 12-03-2007 05:23AM

Well the fun thing about cannabis was the one time I thought I had taken too much I (must have, but cannot confirm cos I was *BAKED*) had a raging panic attack. The fun thing about that is you're so baked all you really get is a mad adrenaline rush and (in my case) none of the paranoia, because thats just how I am stoned.

I suppose the whole reason I brought up the liver was because of my Panic attack last week (not the cannabinine one yonks and ages ago) that was paracetomol induced (for an ear infection)

After taking about 6 of the tablets in the span of 5 hours I realised through the drowsinezz *OH **** I THINK I MAY HAVE OD'd* in which case the box says get your stupid junkie ass to a hospital ASAP or you risk permanent liver damage.

Completely panicked, sweating, nauseous and adrenal I drag myself onto wikipedia to discover that I'm well below the red line (3grams intake: the red line being 10g in 24hrs) but the experience haunts me.

Another very important red line (and this is why I raised the point) is that taken chronically, paracetomol can kill with just 4g of daily dosage.

My point being to anyone taking these drugs on a regular basis that they may be more harmful than say paracetomol and may be causing permanent irreversible harm. And funk it sure people seem willing to sacrifice their lungs for a good drag but you only have one liver; and we arent talking liver cancer (which may kill you never, depending) we're talking about liver failure: without a transplant you will be dead in less than a week.

Anyway, this has been a proper lecture; and I hope I have properly conveyed my distress over the issue.

meditraitor · 12-03-2007 11:04AM

layke wrote:

http://www.erowid.org/

LOL
Erowid is a piss take
How can anyone take this site serious?

This is the man behind it,

http://www.toad.com/gnu/

Do some proper research

So Glad · 12-03-2007 11:14AM

meditraitor wrote:

LOL
Erowid is a piss take
How can anyone take this site serious?

This is the man behind it,

http://www.toad.com/gnu/

Do some proper research

Whats wrong with him? Or are you just making vain judgments on people you don't know?

beans · 12-03-2007 11:53AM

The good thing about Erowid as a resource is that there are many well-documented experience reports so you can get a feel for the head-effects of a substance. You can avoid problems with dosage by seeing what effects a similar dose has on others. You can asses potential for harm by reading people's experiences with addiction, habituation, recovery etc... all of this IMO makes it an invaluable resource for someone thinking of dabbling in anything.

As for after-effects and medical issues, granted you're better off getting your info elsewhere. But I don't think knocking Erowid is justified. It's just a platform no matter who set it up.

JC 2K3 · 12-03-2007 06:00PM

Overheal wrote:

Well the fun thing about cannabis was the one time I thought I had taken too much I (must have, but cannot confirm cos I was *BAKED*) had a raging panic attack. The fun thing about that is you're so baked all you really get is a mad adrenaline rush and (in my case) none of the paranoia, because thats just how I am stoned.

I suppose the whole reason I brought up the liver was because of my Panic attack last week (not the cannabinine one yonks and ages ago) that was paracetomol induced (for an ear infection)

After taking about 6 of the tablets in the span of 5 hours I realised through the drowsinezz *OH **** I THINK I MAY HAVE OD'd* in which case the box says get your stupid junkie ass to a hospital ASAP or you risk permanent liver damage.

Completely panicked, sweating, nauseous and adrenal I drag myself onto wikipedia to discover that I'm well below the red line (3grams intake: the red line being 10g in 24hrs) but the experience haunts me.

Another very important red line (and this is why I raised the point) is that taken chronically, paracetomol can kill with just 4g of daily dosage.

My point being to anyone taking these drugs on a regular basis that they may be more harmful than say paracetomol and may be causing permanent irreversible harm. And funk it sure people seem willing to sacrifice their lungs for a good drag but you only have one liver; and we arent talking liver cancer (which may kill you never, depending) we're talking about liver failure: without a transplant you will be dead in less than a week.

Anyway, this has been a proper lecture; and I hope I have properly conveyed my distress over the issue.

You seem to think that all pills contain substances as dangerous as paracetamol... Pills are nothing but lumps of starch with a small amount of a chemical in them which is absorbed into the bloodstream through oral usage, THC is absorbed into your bloodstream through your lungs - you could possibly even take it as a pill and absorb it that way. My point is you can't say that because a drug is in pill form that it is more dangerous...

Believe it or not, but paracetamol is far more dangerous when OD'd on than many other substances. It was beyond stupid of you to take 6 in 5 hours. However, how does you thinking you nearly overdosed on Paracetamol have any basis in an argument against stimulants in pill form? You're just making uneducated assumptions.

flamingo wrote:

Sorry to be harping on about this! And not that I'm anti-drugs at all at all .... but this really isn't necessarily the case! For some people it takes only one or two joints to trigger the reaction. It depends on personal tolerance, some people are just luckier than others; unfortunately some people just don't know until it's too late that they cannot safely smoke at all. It's a misconception to think that schizophrenia is only caused/aggravated by overuse ..

Lecture over!

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but find one conclusive study conducted by a neutral body that confirms this.

ScumLord · 13-03-2007 01:48PM

Op, I think the best suggestion was going to Amsterdam for a weekend, leave the sprogs at home, book yourself a houseboat or apartment (there are some really cool places to stay in Amsterdam outside of hotels) and enjoy a nice relaxing smoke. It's a different storey smoking over there your completely relaxed you don't have that "their coming to get me" feeling you do here. They sell shrooms there too, well worth a try. If your worried about what people might think about you going to Amsterdam for a weekend try Rotterdam or Maastrict their preaty much the same as Amsterdam.

All those pep pills they sell in the shop are complete and utter ****e, it's like drinking a load of coffey. Other than that it only seems to be physidelics that are available over the counter like the fly stuff (never had) and salvia (which is ****e too). The only good legal high where shrooms but their gone.

JC 2K3 · 13-03-2007 08:36PM

Salvia's not shíte, it's uncomfortably intense for people doing too much of it without experience, but definately worthwhile IMO.

And what about Kratom?

Stky10 · 14-03-2007 01:41AM

ScumLord wrote:

If your worried about what people might think about you going to Amsterdam for a weekend try Rotterdam or Maastrict their preaty much the same as Amsterdam.

Amsterdam is just a tourist trap. Its fine for stag weekends away with the lads, but other than that I'd stay away. Just go anywhere else, for example Utrecht 30 mins south of amsterdam by train, and chill out with the locals and get a much better quality smoke for way cheaper and have a better time in doing it.

slipss · 14-03-2007 02:06AM

meditraitor wrote:

LOL
Erowid is a piss take
How can anyone take this site serious?

This is the man behind it,

http://www.toad.com/gnu/

Do some proper research

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by a "piss take"? Also what do you mean by he is the man "behind" it? As far as I know he has been a contributer to the site for a few years, like Bob Wallace the microsoft bloke and several other people were, nothing else.? Do some proper research?

ScumLord · 14-03-2007 11:52AM

JC 2K3 wrote:

Salvia's not shíte, it's uncomfortably intense for people doing too much of it without experience, but definately worthwhile IMO.

And what about Kratom?

Never heard or used it, it's probably ****e too. I've done salvia twice (50x) all that happened was all my pours felt like they had needles in them, other than that I just felt weird for about ten minutes then it's over. No buzz atall off the stuff not even any visuals.

beans · 14-03-2007 12:32PM

I've done salvia twice (50x) all that happened was all my pours felt like they had needles in them, other than that I just felt weird for about ten minutes then it's over.

Sounds like it wasn't done correctly. Or was bunk.

So Glad · 14-03-2007 12:34PM

Actually, I've just remembered I've some salvia in my drawer. Try that again tonight.

xzanti · 14-03-2007 12:39PM

JC 2K3 wrote:

Salvia's not shíte, it's uncomfortably intense for people doing too much of it without experience, but definately worthwhile IMO.

And what about Kratom?

Kratom's ****e, the guy in DHS told me to put into a cup of hot choclate after a night out taking legal highs to sleep, all I got was the spinnys and a massive headache, I did fall asleep about 8 hours later and had horific nightmares..

Tar.Aldarion · 14-03-2007 01:12PM

ScumLord wrote:

Never heard or used it, it's probably ****e too. I've done salvia twice (50x) all that happened was all my pours felt like they had needles in them, other than that I just felt weird for about ten minutes then it's over. No buzz atall off the stuff not even any visuals.

I found salvia great the times I saw poeple do it, from afar.
¬_¬

50x would certainly get you going, since 15x and 20x certainly do.
Must have done it wrong, like a lot of people do.

So Glad · 14-03-2007 02:01PM

Last time I took it I found it very meditative. I just kept filling the pipe and lying back while puffing it slow, closed my eyes and drifted off for a bit. Pity it lasts so short...not enough time to take it easy and enjoy it.

bazzaremcm · 11-07-2012 12:38AM

http://tinyurl.com/cr5b7fk This is a program that contains certain tunes at different Hz levels to make you feel a certain way. They LOADS of drug i-dosers which feel exactly like the real thing. I tried it and thought it was great since I was sick getting high off of nutmeg

El Weirdo · 11-07-2012 12:41AM

Old thread is old.

Bit shy about gettin legally high....

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