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Feeling blue after Job Rejection

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,005 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    The OP is a human being - and not an asshole.

    The interviewer treated the OP at the 2nd interview in a very unprofessional way. He should not have lost the CV which the OP had taken the time to prepare and already sent to him. He sounded completely unprepared for that interview himself. Should the OP have been granted a job offer from this particular company, I would say that the OP would be far better off to wait and NOT to take such a job - it could be a right nightmare to work there and a very unhappy and unhealthy experience.

    There should be no need to bring a 2nd CV to an interview - although it is a good idea (even to refresh your own memory).

    Gil_Dub - I disagree with practically everything U say. It's utter rubbish.
    U are lucky U don't work alongside me. With an attitude like yours, U would be going home to mammy every evening in floods of tears.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    chump wrote:
    Way of the world - absolute nonsense.

    To think that you'd infer so much from such a trivial thing reflects very poorly on you as an interviewer, and even more so as a person.
    chump wrote:
    Way of the world - absolute nonsense.

    To think that you'd infer so much from such a trivial thing reflects very poorly on you as an interviewer, and even more so as a person.

    Is the above to be considered as an intelligent contribution Chump? Whether you like it or not, different people use different criteria to eliminate candidates at interview. To ignore that reality is a foolish move on the part of any applicant. If I'm interviewing similarly qualified and experienced candidates, the one who hasn't bothered to bring a copy of their CV will be eliminated from consideration by me, all other factors being equal. Now like that or not, that's the way it is. You don't agree with me. That's fine of course. But others, including those who conduct interviews as part of their professional remit, will agree with me. The sensible thing to do even if you think it's unnecessary is to bring spare copies of your CV. That way you ensure someone like me (and you should understand that there are many others with the same approach) won't eliminate you from the running for a position you really want. So yeah, that really *IS* the way of the world. Don't like it? Tough.

    You might think this reflects poorly on me as an interviewer and as a person in general, but I really don't care. You see, I can be even more fickle when responding to rather poor attempts at personal insult from people I don't know. Hopefully the OP learns something from this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    OK, Gil_Dub, mark, Chump and others, this is not a forum for discussing the merits of CVs etc. All of you are experienced enough posters to know that this kind of off-topic posting is not allowed here in PI.

    Take it to the Work&Jobs forum or to PI, but not here.

    dudara


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,392 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Thanks Dudara :)

    OP, here's something to do to prepare you for interviews:

    Get a hold of a copy of "Great answers to tough interview questions".

    I've used it a lot and always re-read some of the sections before an interview.

    The book doesn't just provide you with answers to rattle off at an interview. It takes you through the preparation process, what to wear, how to look, how to use body language correctly and effectively, how to get more information about prospective employers etc.

    In the "answers to interview questions" section it explains why certain questions are asked and the information that the employer is looking for and also provides hints as to when the interviewer is laying a trap for you. The book also takes you through the rudiments of a good CV. The American way is a one-page summary resumé, common practice in Ireland and the UK is 2-3 pages (perhaps 4), any more and people get bored :)

    Either buy a copy of that book or get one from the library a week or so before any interviews.

    Regarding, bringing a few copies of a CV with you...while there is no requirement to do so it doesn't do you any harm at all. Sometimes, interviewers are impressed because you look prepared and organised. At worst, it will leave no impression with them one way or the other. I always bring a few copies as well as a pen and paper to take notes.

    Always ask questions of the interviewer. It makes them feel that you are interested. Ask them about benefits, timing of salary review, what opportunities there are to expand your responsibilities in the job, ask about on the job training to increase your skills etc.

    An old boss once told me that it was better to be the only guy in the interview room wearing a suit than the only guy not wearing a suit, the same applies to bringing pen, paper and a copy of your CV in my book. Even one copy is fine, if they want more copies, just say you brought one for environmental reasons but are happy for them to make copies.

    Chin up! A good friend of mine was unemployed for 14 months after his degree, sent out 187 CVs, no job offers. He sent out ten more, got one interview, got the job and within two years is now a team manager and earning a packet. :) The first step is the hardest, after that it snowballs :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    dame wrote:
    So you've been out of work for while, have been on Fas, got offered a job and turned it down.....what the hell is wrong with you????

    Oh!
    OP: there is one adage that you would do well to consider, that is is better to look for a job while in a job. Also that work experience will go in your favour.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    bolliwoodi wrote:
    I went in for the other interview- and it didnt go well at all! The employer had "misplaced" my cv and was annoyed I hadnt brought a spare one in with me(I didnt think Id have to considering he was ment to have it)

    So he spent the interview asking me to talk me through my cv(Which was difficult when it came to remembering my L.C results- I normally write them down from my results page-I dont know them off in my head) and he looked fairly pissed off when I was trying to remember them(Its been 3 years like come on!)

    Then he asked me a question anout focusing that made NO sense at all- and I sat there like a lemon trying to make sense of what he said.

    Then he said"Oh sorry thats for a managers position- my bad" By then Id gone bright red and just wanted to get out of there!

    WORST INTERVIEW EVER!!!

    Then on my way out the door the other interview I had called to say i didnt get the job

    The weird thing is I did very well in the other interview and I didnt get it

    This one was awful-But you never know!!

    What did you learn from this experience, Yes it is an experience and every interview is different, different interviewer are looking for different things. You were like me, I was a ship wreak when I started and did not know how to proceed. But I did learnt from every situation and observed and listen to others. I learnt from their mistakes and made minimized the same mistakes. Even though the manager or any person who interview you made a mistake, it is up to you to impress them. Next time take two copies of your CV with you, one for him and one for who ever else is interviewing you. Know it inside out. Therefore, If they do not have a copy, you have one handy to show them. You are been prepared. Ask yourself what can make your CV stand out without overfilling the page in small writing. S/he may be blind as a bat. :eek: Some employers like long impressive CV other want short one page CV. What previous experiences could you put down? Sports/ societies / Projects / volunteer work and length of time. Places of work and duties performed. Do not lie, you will be caught out or cause doubts. Make it relevant and your CV is your advertisement. By the way don't make the mistake of putting down is under education is your primary education. If you have several third level then only mention how many honours and passes for your leaving cert as the last relevant third level results is required.
    Research the job you are going for. Even if you do not know much about the job before going in, ask about the duties and talk about your experiences and if you have not, then say I like to do that. But know yourself because you are selling yourself. You know yourself better than the interviewer. Know what you want to be in the future and how to get there. They want to get to know you and they want to be able to trust you in perform the job in a competent manner. Also feel the vibe from your interviewer. Do not be afraid of asking questions of your interviewer/s. Remember they have to sell them self too.
    When you meet them first, nice firm hands shakes and look at them in the eyes in confidence. They will require your services and do not be cocky.
    Look around before going in and after you leave the interview. Continue data collection; See others in their jobs and their inactions with each other. Feel yourself in that situation and how to deal with it. If you do not like the place then use the interview as a free practice session. If the interviewer is difficult then use the session to learn how to control your behavior. Remember they are selling themselves as well as you. It is ok that you do not know the answers to questions and say you do not know at that moment. And find out the answer, be bold and ask. It shows you want to learn. They want the best person to fit the Job. - It might not be the best person in your eyes or the smartest in the room, waiting to be interviewed.
    I had one set of interviewers playing good cop/bad cop. I talk to both in a clam manner and kept eye contact to both. It was difficult and I was nervous going in. I too had bad experiences. One interviewer fell asleep while getting me to work out an answer. I had to think smart to wake him up without embarrassing him. He was very tried and I knew that from the start of the interview. I used a behavior that my grandfather do when excited playing card and wrapped my knuckes on the table when hand the paper back to the interviewer and raised my voice explaining the solution to the problem and lowered m voice as he woke up. He was impressed and I did not embarrass him or acknowledge it.
    I got the Job!! And I did not end up working for that interviewer butwe both was involved in teams in some project work. I said to myself at the interview, I need the experience under my belt.

    Good luck.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭bolliwoodi


    dame wrote:
    Bolliwoodi, I had sympathy for you and posted a long piece of advice/help for you the night you posted this thread but I've just read a thread you posted in the Work & Jobs forum where you sad you've been offered a job in Aldi. That post was on 11th Jan.

    So you've been out of work for while, have been on Fas, got offered a job and turned it down.....what the hell is wrong with you????

    Get off your backside. Get working in the job you've been offered, keep looking for the job you really want and quit feeling sorry for yourself.


    .

    How DARE YOU?

    i didnt get offered a job in aldi-i was offered an interview in aldi and THAT is what the second interview was for

    i have a job now k


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Getting a job is far harder than actually doing a lot of jobs...

    Lot of good advice here I will add to

    1: Tailor each CV

    2: Find a decent proof reader for CV's someone who actually sees them.

    3: Use your free time to learn about the industrys you are going for.

    4: Do not walk in to any interview with the defeatist attitude you are reeking of in these posts. Walk in be confident shake a persons hand firmly. Sit down and believe you can do the job you are going for.

    5: Bring a small folder with a spare C.V read it while waiting in the room for the interview have a notebook and pen should you need it. Shows you are organised and prepared.

    6: If you are failing to get these jobs try up-skilling , courses etc keep busy

    Best of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Way back when I was a corporate shil, the best experience I ever had was interviewing people.

    It really helps to be on the other side of the fence in terms of knowing what you yourself are doing wrong when you go for interviews. The same goes for CV selection.

    It's a well published fact that people make up their mind about you in the first 3 minutes of the interview. Get off to a bad start and you won't recover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    bolliwoodi wrote:
    How DARE YOU?

    i didnt get offered a job in aldi-i was offered an interview in aldi and THAT is what the second interview was for

    i have a job now k

    In fairness to dame you said on this thread that you had the 2nd interview on the 23rd of Jan. On the Work and Jobs thread which you posted on the 11th of Jan you said you had already gone to the interview and had been offered the job.

    Glad you have a new job, but why would you come on to this thread over a month after the last reply in order to yell at a poster who called you on an obvious mis-truth in one of your two posts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭wexford12


    My god Gill Dub

    Dare i ask have you a set of balls or just want some you sound so bitchy the girl only asked a question, didnt need to be kicked around you office "if you have one".I would agree you should bring three copys of your cv one for yourself so no tripping up over dates etc and two to hand out does look good.Now please relax the high powered business woman act went out years ago.No one listens to crap from so called high power tripers.

    PS prob be kicked off for saying that oh well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    bolliwoodi wrote:
    How DARE YOU?

    i didnt get offered a job in aldi-i was offered an interview in aldi and THAT is what the second interview was for

    i have a job now k


    Hmm, lets's see......

    From;
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055039526&referrerid=&highlight=
    Bolliwoodi wrote:
    working in aldi



    has anyone here ever worked in aldi- or anyone that does ATM

    ive been offered a job there-But i have been told by a lot of people that its paid once a month and your only guarnteed 15 hours a week even though your told you will get more(As i was told in the interview) I asked in the interview about the monthly pay and they said its every week-But a girl i know who worked there told me she was told that too - and then after she started they said it was every month

    Can anyone shed some light on this?

    ..... told some porkies somewhere Bolliwoodi, didn't you?


    My post re the above;
    Dame wrote:
    Bolliwoodi, I had sympathy for you and posted a long piece of advice/help for you the night you posted this thread but I've just read a thread you posted in the Work & Jobs forum where you sad you've been offered a job in Aldi. That post was on 11th Jan.

    So you've been out of work for while, have been on Fas, got offered a job and turned it down.....what the hell is wrong with you???? So what if you only get paid once a month there and get your overtime the month after...it's a JOB, the very thing you claim to be looking for! If I were you I'd take that job. It may not be exactly what you had in mind for a career but a job is a job and when you have one you'll feel better about yourself and be more confident in interviews etc, etc.

    Also, if I was interviewing you and you were working anywhere rather than doing nothing, then I'd think you at least had a bit of get up and go about you and that you were a worker. To be honest, there is no excuse for turning down any job you're offered if you've been out of work for a good while. You can always leave it when a better one comes along and the longer you're out of work the more potential employers will wonder why it is that you can't seem to get a job.

    Yes you should know your Leaving Cert results off by heart - if they are your main/only qualifications to date.

    Get off your backside. Get working in the job you've been offered, keep looking for the job you really want and quit feeling sorry for yourself.


    One last piece of advice - get extra things to put on your CV, eg do some charity work (since you have spare time anyway), take up a hobby or two, learn to play guitar or something and do a sport of some description. Try and present a picture of a rounded individual. Too many school-leavers have listening to music, socialising, cinema etc as their hobbies.



    My advice still stands; when you're out of work take any job you're offered, you can still keep looking for the job you really want but it will be easier to find once you are already working (with more to put on your CV) and feeling better and more confident about yourself.


    By the way Bolliwoodi, did you actually read any of the good advice in that post of mine or did you just focus on perceived slights and stew on them for weeks until you got a job and then came back to retaliate, imagining you were getting revenge of some sort on someone who doubted you? I really hope that's not the case because if it is then you have a lot of growing up, maturing and learning to stand on your own two feet to do.

    Glad to hear you have a job now though. Your tax can now join mine and everyone else's here to pay for services we all use and dole and Fás schemes for anyone else who happens to be looking for a job at the moment. Best of luck to you Bolliwoodi and let's hope neither one of us needs the dole in the future!




    N.B., Life Lesson; Lying is never a good idea as it only results in embarrassment for the person who told them when the lies get found out.


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