Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

Vorsprung · 24-02-2007 01:57PM

Deleted User wrote:

OK, so many people hope the score is 19:16 a signinficant date, the score could just as easily be 19:20.

Then we'd lose!!! We can't have that!!!!

Brian Capture · 24-02-2007 02:02PM

county wrote:

i wonder why:rolleyes:

I'm not the one who hates the English. My work colleagues are, or proclaim to.

People should have the courage of their convictions and not be inconsistent.

Cheering against England in every sporting fixture is a sign of hatred, hoping you beat them 19-16 is a sign of hatred. Therefore for those who proclaim such hate it is hypocritical not to celebrate IRA bombings that caused English fatalities.

24-02-2007 02:07PM

kbannon wrote:

FFS - people getting worked up over a Sex Pistols song?

LOL

Unpossible · 24-02-2007 02:17PM

We could have a disasterous loss of 17:98

Damomanye · 24-02-2007 02:28PM

Anyone in the area have any photos of the amount of gardai there? Id like to see this so-called ring of steel.

csk · 24-02-2007 02:45PM

Brian Capture wrote:

Cheering against England in every sporting fixture is a sign of hatred, hoping you beat them 19-16 is a sign of hatred. Therefore for those who proclaim such hate it is hypocritical not to celebrate IRA bombings that caused English fatalities.

I don't get it. Should we hope we lose ?

I mean I know neo-colonialism is alive and well and that there are still Irish people in thrall to Britain but that goes beyond the pale really.

fly_agaric · 24-02-2007 03:01PM

Brian Capture wrote:

Cheering against England in every sporting fixture is a sign of hatred, hoping you beat them 19-16 is a sign of hatred. Therefore for those who proclaim such hate it is hypocritical not to celebrate IRA bombings that caused English fatalities.

Your logic is not our Earth Logic!

You seem to be saying if people show a hatred toward England through sport, well that must mean they should rejoice when English civilians get blown up!

Extremists who would celebrate the murder of civilans for "the cause" might also cheer England's opponents in any sport they play.

But I don't think people who would cheer England's opponents in any sport they play must be extremists who celebrate the murder of civilans in order to be consistent.

Of course there are also lots of other nations which broke away from England/the Empire with violence being part of that process. If their citizens tend to like seeing English or British teams/players getting a beating when they play (I believe many of them do! - especially of course when their own team is the one facing off against England) does that mean they should also rejoice when England/UK is attacked by terrorists in order to be consistent?

What you posted is kind of nuts to me really.

bmaxi · 24-02-2007 03:37PM

mackerski wrote:

There's no song of that name and the German anthem doesn't feature those words.

Yes it does, it is just officially frowned upon ( much as the current official version of the British anthem does not refer to crushing rebellious Scots). It doesn't stop sections of German soccer fans singing it.

Hagar · 24-02-2007 04:09PM

Brian Capture wrote:

I tried suggesting that to one of my work colleagues who was going on about '19-16' and they looked at me with revulsion.

As do I. 1916 wasn't about hate. It was about justice and freedom.

mackerski · 24-02-2007 04:34PM

county wrote:

http://www.brandenburghistorica.com/page5.html

A good article, reinforcing my point.

bmaxi wrote:

Yes it does, it is just officially frowned upon ( much as the current official version of the British anthem does not refer to crushing rebellious Scots). It doesn't stop sections of German soccer fans singing it.

Refer to the article above. Das Deutschlandlied, but not the German anthem, features the lines, which are not, of themselves, offensive. The first verse, were it to feature in the modern anthem, would be dodgy, not for the concept of "Germany first before local identity", but because of the territorial claim that was valid then, but isn't now (articles 2 & 3 anyone?).

It's true that plenty of Germans don't grasp the true intent of the phrase "Deutschland über alles", among them very probably the very football fans that like to sing that verse. If so, they are guilty of any offence that they may intend and give. But the anthem itself, that is verse 3 of Das Deutschlandlied, is probably the least offensive and most positive national anthem that I've ever encountered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Lied_der_Deutschen

The third verse is a good choice for the modern anthem, since the goal of getting people to think as Germans is largely achieved (except in Bavaria, where it'll never happen anyway), and the references to women and alcohol in verse 2 are a little un-PC. The process isn't unlike what happened in Ireland. Our anthem appears to have selected the least dodgy verse of the Soldier's Song. Unfortunately it's still fairly bloodthirsty stuff - the portion of the manuscript featuring puppies and flowers will probably never be recovered.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2007 08:28PM

So whats the story? I'm afraid to go outside, is the sky still where it was this morning?

ninebeanrows · 24-02-2007 08:35PM

So much for that eh!!

Media hype. Gardai Hype.

We are a better people than we think

24-02-2007 08:37PM

Well they played it without incident (inside the ground) and Ireland won the match, which is what it was all about.

Another event consigned to history!

THE END

mike65 · 24-02-2007 08:38PM

Still there!

Mike.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2007 08:40PM

mike65 wrote:

Still there!

Mike.

AAAAAW. I was assured at the very least that croke park was going to implode atthe first note of gstq. surely the papers were'nt just over-hyping a situation?

. Any sign of the A&E departments around the country being clogged with GAA heads having heart attacks?

mike65 · 24-02-2007 08:52PM

I'm fully expecting some boozed up 'RA head to try it on with someone sporting an English accent before the night is through though.

Mike.

Dave! · 24-02-2007 09:09PM

Great response, full respect shown, mature heads all around Croker, and fantastic result

Happy days!!!

edit:

For those who don't know, it finished: Ireland 43 - England 13

A trouncing if ever I've seen one!

andrew · 24-02-2007 09:28PM

what happened at the sinn fein protest? anyone know?

InFront · 24-02-2007 09:30PM

Is it really all over?

Sounds like all has quietened off around Croker, and the protests too. I don't think the day could have gone better, except for maybe a neck and neck finish! There may be a few scuffles in town tonight, but I'm sure the doormen of Dublin will keep everything in order.

DublinWriter · 24-02-2007 09:31PM

andrew wrote:

what happened at the sinn fein protest? anyone know?

As far as I know they're still there...they haven't gone away you know.

Sorry, couldn't resist it!

copacetic · 24-02-2007 09:32PM

andrew wrote:

what happened at the sinn fein protest? anyone know?

RSF protest. 30 of them got wet and then went home quietly..

ANXIOUS · 24-02-2007 09:32PM

three people we're arrested.

axer · 24-02-2007 09:33PM

andrew wrote:

what happened at the sinn fein protest? anyone know?

I thought it was Republican Sinn Féin and not Sinn Féin?

Flukey · 24-02-2007 09:40PM

A great result that everyone can be happy with (except England:D).

Vorsprung · 24-02-2007 09:46PM

I think the game of rugby was the main winner

runs for cover

Dave! · 24-02-2007 09:46PM

ANXIOUS wrote:

three people we're arrested.

Where'd you hear that? (not doubting you, just wondering)

axer wrote:

I thought it was Republican Sinn Féin and not Sinn Féin?

Yeah it was, it's not good for the North that alot of people don't differentiate between the two!

bmaxi · 24-02-2007 09:51PM

mackerski wrote:

A good article, reinforcing my point.

Refer to the article above. Das Deutschlandlied, but not the German anthem, features the lines, which are not, of themselves, offensive. The first verse, were it to feature in the modern anthem, would be dodgy, not for the concept of "Germany first before local identity", but because of the territorial claim that was valid then, but isn't now (articles 2 & 3 anyone?).

It's true that plenty of Germans don't grasp the true intent of the phrase "Deutschland über alles", among them very probably the very football fans that like to sing that verse. If so, they are guilty of any offence that they may intend and give. But the anthem itself, that is verse 3 of Das Deutschlandlied, is probably the least offensive and most positive national anthem that I've ever encountered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Lied_der_Deutschen

The third verse is a good choice for the modern anthem, since the goal of getting people to think as Germans is largely achieved (except in Bavaria, where it'll never happen anyway), and the references to women and alcohol in verse 2 are a little un-PC. The process isn't unlike what happened in Ireland. Our anthem appears to have selected the least dodgy verse of the Soldier's Song. Unfortunately it's still fairly bloodthirsty stuff - the portion of the manuscript featuring puppies and flowers will probably never be recovered.

As far as I am aware "Das Lied der Deutchen" in it's entirety is the accepted anthem of Germany. After reunification it was agreed that the third verse only should be sung at all State occasions. This was not universally accepted and the first verse is commonly sung, in fact Bayern Munich fans routinely include the Horst Wessel. The anthem has no basis in law so I guess it's what's right on the night.
Anyway the point I was trying to make was that we have reason to be aggrieved by others besides the Brits.

Great game, great win, great crowd, great atmosphere, no hassle, all is well with the world.

Vorsprung · 24-02-2007 09:52PM

DaveMcG wrote:

Where'd you hear that? (not doubting you, just wondering)

Linkage

Ahern praises GAA, fans after Irish rugby win
watch Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:42

The Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, has paid tribute to Irish rugby fans and the GAA after the Six Nations game in which Ireland beat England passed off without incident this evening.

eanwhile, gardaí say three people were arrested in the city centre following a demonstration organised by Republican Sinn Féin.
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The party were opposed to the singing of the English National Anthem at Croke Park.

After handing in a letter of protest to the GAA, RSF had planned to end its Drumcondra Road protest at 5.30pm.

But half an hour early the group of around 60 moved and ended up at the Garden of Remembrance on Parnell Square.

There party president Ruari Ó Brádaigh addressed the crowd and told protestors the demonstration had been a job well done.

But within minutes a minor scuffle broke out and two people were arrested.

A group of around 30 youths, many wearing hoodies and covering their face with scarves, walked down O'Connell St and through Temple Bar before returning to O'Connell Street.

Further arrests took place there after one of the youths kicked over a motorcycle.

A spokesperson for RSF said many non-party members had joined the protest and none of the arrested were members.

copacetic · 24-02-2007 09:53PM

DaveMcG wrote:

Where'd you hear that? (not doubting you, just wondering)

Yeah it was, it's not good for the North that alot of people don't differentiate between the two!

rte and guardian are both reporting arrests, rte - 3, guardian a handful. doesn't say what for or if they were actually at the protest. said city centre.

DublinWriter · 24-02-2007 09:53PM

axer wrote:

I thought it was Republican Sinn Féin and not Sinn Féin?

Kinda like saying that would be the People's Front of Judea and not the Judean People's Front?

As I said in t'other thread, the opening ceremony brought a tear to my eye, and I was sober at the time.

But I'm sure plenty of people will be willing to pick at the scab of history.

Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

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