Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

Crea · 23-02-2007 04:32PM

I don't recall there being as much of a fuss when they played the English national anthem in Croke Park during the Special Olympics.
The hype around this is ridiculous. God Save the Queen has been played on Irish soil for donkies years without the country collapsing into the sea. I really don't see what the bit deal is. If you don't like it then sit down for it.

Collie D · 23-02-2007 09:46PM

Crea wrote:

I don't recall there being as much of a fuss when they played the English national anthem in Croke Park during the Special Olympics.
The hype around this is ridiculous. God Save the Queen has been played on Irish soil for donkies years without the country collapsing into the sea. I really don't see what the bit deal is. If you don't like it then sit down for it.

Big fuss about nothing, who here knows anybody who is against the anthem being played. I know one guy and he's hardly going to start lobbing concrete blocks or petrol bombs just because of it. There may be a small minority out to cause a bit of trouble but I reckon the law wil be ready for them this time.

Also, it was not played in Croke Park during the Olympics. Only the opening and closing ceremonies were held there, no sporting events. Now, I'm not quite sure how many countries competed in the Special Olympics but I am fairly confident that if they played everyone's anthem during the opening ceremony you'd have a very looong ceremony and a lot of bored people on your hands....

Mrs. MacGyver · 23-02-2007 10:34PM

IvaBigWun wrote:

Now Im not going to bring up all the bullsh!t again about the English national anthem and all thats already been discussed. This is a new development today as far as I know that the riot squad will be at Croke Park and I have an awful feeling something is going to seriously kick off if Ireland lose.

Anyone else going to avoid the city centre like the plague on Saturday?

TBH i'm fairly nervous as i live behind Croker, I think though maby it will be a select few that will cause triuble and after what happened last year i think the guards can deal with and pre-empt anything that may happen (hopefully)

constitutionus · 23-02-2007 10:36PM

look at the brightside, theres not a handy supply of weaponry this time

Terry · 23-02-2007 10:49PM

If you go back a page or two, someone posted about an article in todays sun.
There was something about roadworks being done near the site of one of the protests.

Raskolnikov · 23-02-2007 10:51PM

Couldn't give a stuff what happens in Croke Park. One thing that does bother me is the sheer ignorance and pompousness of some of the opinions brought to the fore.

The holier than thou attitude of some of the rugby fans, the implication that Sinn Féin will be involved in violence, some fool actually trying to link the Shell to Sea campaign (!) as an attempt to divert policing from Croker!? Is there no end to the loopy conspiracy theories?

I'll tell you what's going to happen tomorrow. 12 Republican Sinn Féin members will stage their protest which will be readily ignored. The English will come play a game of rugby, beat us narrowly and then **** off back home with no incident.

constitutionus · 23-02-2007 10:52PM

Terry wrote:

If you go back a page or two, someone posted about an article in todays sun.
There was something about roadworks being done near the site of one of the protests.

oh its in the sun,so it must be true !

(with apologies to billy connolly)

Binomate · 23-02-2007 11:06PM

[D4 accent]At least this time if there's a riot, It's only the north side.[/D4 Accent]

ANXIOUS · 23-02-2007 11:26PM

So wait was god save the queen plyed during the special olympics yes or no. Does anyone have a link?

Seth Brundle · 23-02-2007 11:27PM

Raskolnikov wrote:

The holier than thou attitude of some of the rugby fans, the implication that Sinn Féin will be involved in violence, some fool actually trying to link the Shell to Sea campaign (!) as an attempt to divert policing from Croker!? Is there no end to the loopy conspiracy theories?

I'll tell you what's going to happen tomorrow. 12 Republican Sinn Féin members will stage their protest which will be readily ignored. The English will come play a game of rugby, beat us narrowly and then **** off back home with no incident.

Firstly it is predicted within the media that up to 150 members of RSF will be protesting
<=150: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/?jp=CWSNSNMHCWGB
50-100: http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0223/crokepark.html

Secondly, associating them with violent actions is an easy thing to do given their recent protests in Dublin! valid

Thirdly, it is widely expected that Ireland will beat England

looksee · 23-02-2007 11:39PM

I can't understand why GSTQ is being played at an England match anyway. Its the British national anthem (or I suppose if you want to be picky, the UK national anthem). Scotland and Wales have their own anthems for occasions specific to them, it would be more appropriate for England to have its own anthem. Would that make a difference to the debate?

Vorsprung · 23-02-2007 11:45PM

looksee wrote:

I can't understand why GSTQ is being played at an England match anyway. Its the British national anthem (or I suppose if you want to be picky, the UK national anthem). Scotland and Wales have their own anthems for occasions specific to them, it would be more appropriate for England to have its own anthem. Would that make a difference to the debate?

Not really. It's still going to be played tomorrow.

mackerski · 23-02-2007 11:46PM

bmaxi wrote:

"Deutchland Uber Alles"

There's no song of that name and the German anthem doesn't feature those words.

county · 23-02-2007 11:56PM

mackerski wrote:

There's no song of that name and the German anthem doesn't feature those words.

http://www.brandenburghistorica.com/page5.html

Hagar · 24-02-2007 12:09AM

I see Terry Rogers Bookmakers is giving odds of 100-1 for Ireland to win 19-16. Worth a fiver.

county · 24-02-2007 12:12AM

Hagar wrote:

I see Terry Rogers Bookmakers is giving odds of 100-1 for Ireland to win 19-16. Worth a fiver.

their cracking odds

billy the squid · 24-02-2007 12:33AM

constitutionus wrote:

look at the brightside, theres not a handy supply of weaponry this time

Actually there is, if you seen the Herald this evening.

PeakOutput · 24-02-2007 12:39AM

ANXIOUS wrote:

So wait was god save the queen plyed during the special olympics yes or no. Does anyone have a link?

YES IT WAS

there are no links but txt newstalk 106 and ask them and they will confirm it on air jsut like they have been all week and croker officials have confr=irmed it with them as well

county · 24-02-2007 12:42AM

PeakOutput wrote:

YES IT WAS

there are no links but txt newstalk 106 and ask them and they will confirm it on air jsut like they have been all week and croker officials have confr=irmed it with them as well

the total opposite was said on the last word tonight

PeakOutput · 24-02-2007 12:48AM

county wrote:

the total opposite was said on the last word tonight

well george hook that guy macreefe this td(i think was td) from sinn fein a guest sports writer for the star and numerous texters have all said it was played

clearly we have no hard proof so we wont come to an agreement but i ppersonally hope it was played

Raskolnikov · 24-02-2007 01:10AM

kbannon wrote:

Secondly, associating them with violent actions is an easy thing to do given their recent protests in Dublin! valid

I was merely making the point that Republican Sinn Féin and Sinn Féin are two completely different organisations. Sinn Féin supported the right of Loyalists to march in Dublin previously and similarily; now ascede for the British national anthem to be played in Croke Park. Therefore connecting the Shell to Sea and Sinn Féin protests with possible rioting is codswallop.

robinph · 24-02-2007 01:24AM

looksee wrote:

I can't understand why GSTQ is being played at an England match anyway. Its the British national anthem (or I suppose if you want to be picky, the UK national anthem). Scotland and Wales have their own anthems for occasions specific to them, it would be more appropriate for England to have its own anthem. Would that make a difference to the debate?

They tend to use "Land of hope and glory" in the Commonwealth Games, usually.

K-9 · 24-02-2007 01:32AM

Terry wrote:

If you go back a page or two, someone posted about an article in todays sun.
There was something about roadworks being done near the site of one of the protests.

Ah the Glorious Sun, that bastion of free speech. Ken Loach was saying that when The Wind that shakes the Barley won at Cannes the "Irish Sun" headlined "Irish film wins at Cannnes". The English bersion condemned it for being too republican. They are very cleverer than people think and especially manipulative. And as a Liverpool fan, don't mention how they reported Hillsborough.

JJ barrett was the Grainne Seoige show today, the fella who withdrew his fathers medals from the Croker museum. He said he had rang the Special Olympics themselves and they said GSTQ had not been played during the games. Each country had their own individual song. Somebody is telling fibs! Does anybody have reliable confirmation either way on this?

whiskeyman · 24-02-2007 01:38AM

PeakOutput wrote:

well george hook that guy macreefe this td(i think was td) from sinn fein a guest sports writer for the star and numerous texters have all said it was played

clearly we have no hard proof so we wont come to an agreement but i ppersonally hope it was played

I was at both the opening and closing ceremonies, and can't remember GSTQ being sung / played. It definitely wasn't done in full. I don't think any anthem was.
I just had a browse though the 'A Feeling Shared' DVD of the opening ceremony, and couldn't find GSTQ coming up. When the teams came into the stadium, their names were just called and no anthems played. The Union Jack was used, but that's it.
Also, as Croke itself wasn't used as a location for any of the sports, none of the medal ceremonies took place there either.

I'd be interested in knowing under what circumstance it was played, if it was played at all...

*Just looking at more of it, Mary McAleese didn't even get the presidential salute when she came on stage.

PeakOutput · 24-02-2007 02:50AM

whiskeyman wrote:

I was at both the opening and closing ceremonies, and can't remember GSTQ being sung / played. It definitely wasn't done in full. I don't think any anthem was.
I just had a browse though the 'A Feeling Shared' DVD of the opening ceremony, and couldn't find GSTQ coming up. When the teams came into the stadium, their names were just called and no anthems played. The Union Jack was used, but that's it.
Also, as Croke itself wasn't used as a location for any of the sports, none of the medal ceremonies took place there either.

I'd be interested in knowing under what circumstance it was played, if it was played at all...

*Just looking at more of it, Mary McAleese didn't even get the presidential salute when she came on stage.

the lady on george hook said it was played twiced uring medal ceremonies in croke park but if they werent in croke park that throws that straight out the window

darkman2 · 24-02-2007 02:57AM

Lets get down to the nitty gritty here. Are the scum going to riot or not? If they do I actually look forward to the gaurds knocking a few of these gougers heads tomorrow.

I hope to god this is not going to go from a momentous occassion to momentous embarrasment. If it does I want to see some skulls cracked like what should have happened at the scum riot on O'Connell str.

Brian Capture · 24-02-2007 01:37PM

All those idiots going around saying 'I hope we win 19-16'.

Why?

We lost the Easter Rising and many of our patriots were executed by the British.

Surely 21-11 would be more appropriate?
Two pub bombings in Birmingham on 21-11-74 killed 21 people.

I tried suggesting that to one of my work colleagues who was going on about '19-16' and they looked at me with revulsion.

I don't get it - do they hate the English or don't they?

24-02-2007 01:54PM

OK, so many people hope the score is 19:16 a signinficant date, the score could just as easily be 19:20.

Does it really matter what the precise score is!!!

Enjoy the game and prove to the world that we are not strangled by our history.

Vorsprung · 24-02-2007 01:56PM

Brian Capture wrote:

I tried suggesting that to one of my work colleagues who was going on about '19-16' and they looked at me with revulsion.

I don't get it - do they hate the English or don't they?

Ask them where they shop for food and buy their clothes. Chances are they're buying from retailers of the empire too.

county · 24-02-2007 01:57PM

Brian Capture wrote:

All those idiots going around saying 'I hope we win 19-16'.

Why?

We lost the Easter Rising and many of our patriots were executed by the British.

Surely 21-11 would be more appropriate?
Two pub bombings in Birmingham on 21-11-74 killed 21 people.

I tried suggesting that to one of my work colleagues who was going on about '19-16' and they looked at me with revulsion.

I don't get it - do they hate the English or don't they?

i wonder why:rolleyes:

Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

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