Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

super_furry · 21-02-2007 05:55PM

csk wrote:

Can anyone confirm that this is actually true ?

It is. My sister was a volunteer during the Special Olympics and heard it played several times during medal ceremonies.

PeakOutput · 21-02-2007 06:02PM

super_furry wrote:

It is. My sister was a volunteer during the Special Olympics and heard it played several times during medal ceremonies.

thank-you i didnt want to have to say it again,

there are probably alot of people who are going to this match who are not strict rugby fans but are going because of the occasion (and yes i cant wait to kick englands ass either) but the trouble will not be in the stadium so its not them you have to worry about. the skangers will get off at clontarf road wait around in fairview park with a few dutch and then move to near croker for when people are coming out that is how the trouble will start

i also dont thnk its the strict foreign games policy they have although it might be called that i think its more the actual english playing there and englich parliment/roylty whatever being their watching and enjoying the stadium.......after all they do have a rule that no1 in the british police/military can play gaa(might have been revoked recently) so i think the rule is more along those lines in sirit if not in actual writing so therefore muhammad ali and american football dosnt really matter

Hagar · 21-02-2007 06:14PM

A TV3 / TVAM survey this week stated that 71% of people who responded expressed serious reservations about the playing of GSTQ at Croker. I didn't realize that almost 3 out of 4 people in Ireland were rabid Celtic jersey wearing skangers. :rolleyes:

PeakOutput · 21-02-2007 06:20PM

Hagar wrote:

A TV3 / TVAM survey this week stated that 71% of people who responded expressed serious reservations about the playing of GSTQ at Croker. I didn't realize that almost 3 out of 4 people in Ireland were rabid Celtic jersey wearing skangers. :rolleyes:

and you do not believe that these type of voluntary phone in surveys have an inate prejudice because it is only the people who feel strongly about a topic who will ring in.............

the survey should tell us how many people rang in and said they dont want it to be played compared to the number of people watching the show take one number from the other and you are left with the people who really dont care either way because they know what a ridicolous argument it is.......

i would PREFER if it was not played but if a song is the price we have to pay to have 80K people supporting our team then i dont mind paying it

Hagar · 21-02-2007 06:31PM

Isn't that how democracy works? Look at any election, those who are interested enough to vote get their viewpoint represented, those who don't vote have voluntarily given away the right to be heard and we can't draw any inference of what they might have said.

ziggy · 21-02-2007 06:52PM

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PeakOutput · 21-02-2007 06:53PM

Hagar wrote:

Isn't that how democracy works? Look at any election, those who are interested enough to vote get their viewpoint represented, those who don't vote have voluntarily given away the right to be heard and we can't draw any inference of what they might have said.

although u might be able to draw parrallells(spelling???) between a phone in poll to a morning chat show and the democratic system they are two different beasts.

you dont miss your say in an election just because you didnt watch a particular station that day

what about people with no tvs?

i think its a bit presumptuous(again spelling) to say that the people who dont ring tv3 to give an opinion on something they do not believe matters are the same people who will not vote for their party come election day.

I believe that the vast majority of irish people feel like me that while it is not ideal it is something that has to happen so that we can move on. if you have an idependant poll that surveyed a significant and varied cross section of the republic that contradicts that then i will take that back but at the moment the only people talking about the anthem and all the trouble its going to cause are the media i have not seen one interview with someone who feels outraged that this is happening

im going to work reply laterz

PeakOutput · 21-02-2007 06:56PM

ziggy67 wrote:

So it is Celtic fans that will be causing the trouble is it?

At a Rugby game in a GAA Stadium

There is tar dripping from that brush of yours.

there is some basis to that bias and that is the riots last year but i do not think that everyone who wears a celtic jersey is automatically a true celtic fan as some people wear it as they believe it represents something else

Hagar · 21-02-2007 07:19PM

ziggy67 wrote:

So it is Celtic fans that will be causing the trouble is it?

At a Rugby game in a GAA Stadium

There is tar dripping from that brush of yours.

Even though you quoted my sarcastic smiley you didn't notice the sarcasm not tar dripping from the post?

PeakOutput wrote:

although u might be able to draw parrallells(spelling???) between a phone in poll to a morning chat show and the democratic system they are two different beasts.

Fair comment, this is only an internet discussion after all, in After Hours, don't expect the 5th Gospel.

super_furry · 21-02-2007 07:28PM

Hagar wrote:

Isn't that how democracy works? Look at any election, those who are interested enough to vote get their viewpoint represented, those who don't vote have voluntarily given away the right to be heard and we can't draw any inference of what they might have said.

So Pop Idol winner for president then?

darkman2 · 21-02-2007 08:05PM

Ive been pondering the prospect of trouble at the game myself for the last few days. I think the media is hyping this up too much to the point where any trouble will be as a result of their hysterical reaction. I can gaurentee that the RSF toe rags who were responsible for that scumbag riot in O'Connell st will be at Croke Park and probrably bring the same scum with them. Just like the 'Love Ulster' parade they will probrably make a sh!t of the place before the Rugby even starts. This would not supprise me. TBH I think even debating the prospect of trouble is giving credence to this shower of moronic arseholes that plan these protests. Everyone is entitled to protest peacefully Unfortunatley with the mentality were dealing with this is not part of their vocabularly.:mad:

Unshelved · 21-02-2007 10:31PM

I can't help thinking that any participants in any trouble that may take place on Saturday will be part of the rent-a-gouger brigade rather than anyone who has a genuine grievance. I mean what kind of idiot commemorates the innocents killed for attending or taking part in a sports event by .... threatening/cursing/throwing a brick at those taking part in another sporting event?

Everyone should have the right to a peaceful protest - anything else does not bring any kind of credit to a cause - prospective protestors on Saturday should bear that in mind. In addition, should trouble occur the media who have been hyping Saturday's "controversy" all week should take a long hard look at themselves.

Finally, (most) people who attend sporting events are sports fans and sports fans love all sport - while having a particular attachment to one or two - a fact that was highlighted by the two-thirds majority when the GAA vote on Croke Park took place. A majority of Munster fans will undoubtedly have been to Croker to cheer on Cork or Kerry or Limerick. Most Dubliners will have been to Croke Park as well - despite the hackneyed and outdated D4 rugby supporter stereotype. Many Dubs supporters are also supporters of Rovers or Bohemians. For the sane, the normal, the ordinary sports fans it'll be a relief when the national anthems are over and we can just get on with the game.

nesf · 21-02-2007 10:43PM

Bren1609 wrote:

I think the that the D4 West Brit rugby fans are getting carried away with themselves when the speak about all the Ra heads and scum bags.

You've no idea about who plays and supports the game in the rest of the country do you? The silly class thing only applies to Dublin tbh and even then it's only an over-hyped stereotype really.

Terry · 21-02-2007 11:15PM

nesf wrote:

You've no idea about who plays and supports the game in the rest of the country do you? The silly class thing only applies to Dublin tbh and even then it's only an over-hyped stereotype really.

In recent years, the support of rugby have moved from the confines of private schools and into the mainstream in the Dublin area.

In the rest of the country it has almost always had fans from all backgrounds.
Limerick, in particular, has always been a bastion of rugby support.

nesf · 21-02-2007 11:30PM

Terry wrote:

In recent years, the support of rugby have moved from the confines of private schools and into the mainstream in the Dublin area.

Nothing like the whiff of potential success...

Terry wrote:

In the rest of the country it has almost always had fans from all backgrounds.
Limerick, in particular, has always been a bastion of rugby support.

Exactly, back home watching the six nations was as much a part of the weekend as the GAA (well no, but not far behind). It didn't matter if you were a farmer, factory worker of whatever, if you liked the game, you liked the game and there was no more to it than that.

RuggieBear · 21-02-2007 11:34PM

i'll be ****ing delighted when this game is over and all the BS just floats away

ANXIOUS · 21-02-2007 11:37PM

exactly lets just hope it goes off with out a hitch, and a good result for ireland.

CiaranC · 21-02-2007 11:46PM

Terry wrote:

In recent years, the support of rugby have moved from the confines of private schools and into the mainstream in the Dublin area.

Do you think so? Im from Tallaght, I dont think I could name a single rugby fan.

Terry · 22-02-2007 12:12AM

CiaranC wrote:

Do you think so? Im from Tallaght, I dont think I could name a single rugby fan.

I suggest you take a step back until your anger has subsided.
This is not the first reactionary post I have seen from you tonight.

nesf, Trevor Brennan did it for Leixlip and I would like to think that he opened up the game to many, who until then, had seen it as unaccessable.
I still don't like it, though.
In saying that, I like to see Trevor do well. His family have always been nice to me.

super_furry · 22-02-2007 12:16AM

CiaranC wrote:

Do you think so? Im from Tallaght, I dont think I could name a single rugby fan.

Have to say, I'd tend to agree. Rugby is still very much a 'middleclass' game in Dublin. It all comes down to the fact that it's really only private schools that play it, and younger children that don't go to those schools aren't ever exposed to it. The recent limited success of the Ireland team may change that.

mackerski · 22-02-2007 12:44AM

Seanies32 wrote:

Most of the protestors on Sat will not be wearing GAA jerseys! They will be wearing the jersey of the club who's supporters sing the National Anthem in English!

Why is this a strange thing that they should sing the song in the language in which it was written and which also happens to be their native tongue?

Most people who choose to sing it in Irish don't understand the words they sing. Which is actually no harm, because it's a violent enough ditty and not IMHO one whose meaning can enrich today's society all that much.

PeakOutput · 22-02-2007 12:46AM

darkman2 wrote:

Ive been pondering the prospect of trouble at the game myself for the last few days. I think the media is hyping this up too much to the point where any trouble will be as a result of their hysterical reaction. I can gaurentee that the RSF toe rags who were responsible for that scumbag riot in O'Connell st will be at Croke Park and probrably bring the same scum with them. Just like the 'Love Ulster' parade they will probrably make a sh!t of the place before the Rugby even starts. This would not supprise me. TBH I think even debating the prospect of trouble is giving credence to this shower of moronic arseholes that plan these protests. Everyone is entitled to protest peacefully Unfortunatley with the mentality were dealing with this is not part of their vocabularly.:mad:

if rsf dosnt stand for republican sinn fein then you can ignore me but if it does;

all the sinn fein members were behind a cordon peacefully protesting at the liffey end of oconnel street.

the people causing trouble were between 16 and 22 id say most had celtic jerseys and the rest had celtic scarves

i know this because i had to walk threw oconnel street to get the dart home and i stopped to get pictures

PeakOutput · 22-02-2007 12:50AM

mackerski wrote:

Why is this a strange thing that they should sing the song in the language in which it was written and which also happens to be their native tongue?

Most people who choose to sing it in Irish don't understand the words they sing. Which is actually no harm, because it's a violent enough ditty and not IMHO one whose meaning can enrich today's society all that much.

i assumed he was talking about celtic supporters who are supporting a scottish team which would sing the scottish anthem in english, i could of picked him up wrong though

i assume you are talking about the irish national anthem being violent but it is nothing compared to the french i think the line "our soldiers are on there way to the village to slit your throats" is a feature of the french anthem

InFront · 22-02-2007 01:14AM

CiaranC wrote:

Do you think so? Im from Tallaght, I dont think I could name a single rugby fan.

In fairness that represents a lack of interest on your part moreso than any statement about rugby. Anyone can play, you don't need to remortgage your house to buy a pair of boots or headgear.
Anyway just on Tallaght, I presume you've heard of the Tallaght project? The IRFU have been pouring money in there, not just in thousands but hundreds of thousands. So if there's lack of effort it's not to do with the IRFU

Unshelved · 22-02-2007 11:00AM

Have to say, I'd tend to agree. Rugby is still very much a 'middleclass' game in Dublin. It all comes down to the fact that it's really only private schools that play it, and younger children that don't go to those schools aren't ever exposed to it.

Maybe that's true of your part of Dublin, but it's certainly not true where I come from. There's more to Dublin than the southside. Off the top of my head I could name lots of schools in the greater Dublin area where rugby is played (and has been played for years) and that are NOT fee-paying. This D4 rugby-supporting stereotype is just that - a stereotype. It may be like that in Blackrock, but it's not like that in Balbriggan or Skerries or Barnhall or Navan or Naas. If you think differently then you obviously have never been to too many rugby matches.

csk · 22-02-2007 02:34PM

kbannon wrote:

Eddie O'Sullivan believes it to be the case...

src: http://www.irishrugby.ie/283_7441.php

Yes and Eddie also thinks Simon Easterby is a better player to have in his team than Neil Best so go figure...

super furry wrote:

It is. My sister was a volunteer during the Special Olympics and heard it played several times during medal ceremonies

I meant actual proof as opposed to anecdotal evidence. The reason I ask is I have seen this trotted out on various messageboards as truth and then for someone to counter by saying that my girlfriends dogs cousin was there and it wasn't played. I have also seen someone else claim that it is not policy for anthems or flags to be flown at the special olympics.

Now given the rí rá about this match and GSTQ in particular, it is funny how what seems to be a such an important matter went largely unnoticed by the soccer fans/celtic jersey wearers/alcoholic/junkie/skanger/republican/insert whatever stereotype you revile more here and passed off without any trouble or comment.

Slow Motion · 22-02-2007 02:36PM

Unshelved wrote:

I can't help thinking that any participants in any trouble that may take place on Saturday will be part of the rent-a-gouger brigade rather than anyone who has a genuine grievance. I mean what kind of idiot commemorates the innocents killed for attending or taking part in a sports event by .... threatening/cursing/throwing a brick at those taking part in another sporting event?

A bunch of tree dwelling, padded knuckle dragging, shoving berries up their noses with a pointy stick troglodites........

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oh yes they are precious...

22-02-2007 03:15PM

csk wrote:

I meant actual proof as opposed to anecdotal evidence. The reason I ask is I have seen this trotted out on various messageboards as truth and then for someone to counter by saying that my girlfriends dogs cousin was there and it wasn't played.

It was in the Indo during the week.

Eddie O'Sullivan said it in his press conference.

Oh and for the record my mam heard it at croker too.

I suppose you want the marching band that played it there to come to your house and tell you personally.

csk wrote:

I have also seen someone else claim that it is not policy for anthems or flags to be flown at the special olympics.

I heard Michael Collins and Dev are going to come back from the dead and join forces to defeat the evil english rugby team and their national anthem.

And everyone going on about republican Sinn Fein, they have like 10 active members.

csk · 22-02-2007 03:44PM

ronoc wrote:

It was in the Indo during the week.

Eddie O'Sullivan said it in his press conference.

Oh and for the record my mam heard it at croker too.

I suppose you want the marching band that played it there to come to your house and tell you personally.

Wow how informative.:rolleyes:

So it was played before and no one got worked up then? yet this weekend for whatever reason the four horsemen of the apoclaypse wearing their Celtic jersies of course are going to ride through Croke Park bringing death to all english ?

Or could it be that this thread and all other threads like this are just a way for people to air their innate snobbery and predjuices ? I'm talking both sides who seem to be as bad as each other and maybe bar the odd clown booing this game will pass off without incident like all other matches have ?

ANXIOUS · 22-02-2007 07:44PM

super_furry wrote:

Have to say, I'd tend to agree. Rugby is still very much a 'middleclass' game in Dublin. It all comes down to the fact that it's really only private schools that play it, and younger children that don't go to those schools aren't ever exposed to it. The recent limited success of the Ireland team may change that.

This post isnt actually the truth, the poster seems to be from tallaght himself, so ill give a tallaght example. Tallght community college doesnt have a gaa or hurling team, they only have rugby.

Riot squad to be at Croker on Saturday

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