Bouncers - Right to refuse Admission VS Discrimination

We all get refused from pubs once in a while. It's not a big deal. If you find that you're getting refused so much that it's becoming an issue, then it's probably your fault. Maybe you need to wash more often, buy some clean clothes, stop getting hammered on Buckfast before going to the pub and/or stop wearing soveirgn rings.

It's not a bouncers fault that Dublin is full of retarded knackers who think R&B is good music. But it is their job to stop them having a good time. More power to 'em I say.

pred racer wrote:

As an aside does anyone think the new licencing system for individuals in this industrycoming in in April will make any difference.

I can see it making a bit of a difference, but generally the most important aspect of any door is the head doorman who will set the tone for the rest of the crew.

Some guys are very careful of who they hire, some guys are not.

I'm from Cork. I dont think Cork has any worse a bouncer situation than any other city I have been to really. I couldnt think of one occasion where I have been refused unfairly. I was either too drunk, didnt have ID or was not dressed appropriately.

I would like to say that I am a decent punter. By that I mean I have never caused trouble in any bar I have ever been to in my lifetime and I have been offered a job as a bouncer in a well known Cork pub on three separate occasions, by three separate members of staff as a result of this. A couple of my friends are bouncers and I have to say any time I have seen them working anyone they refuse deserved to be refused because of their level of intoxication, lack of ID or state of dress.

I have never dressed for a club, meaning I have never put on a shirt, proper shoes instead of runners etc with the aim of going to a club. Any time I do go out I'm normally wearing standard casual clothes (baggy pants eg Road or Mecca etc). When I get refused its because im either after a few drinks (though this can be as little as two drinks which for me is not that much to most bouncers).

I would say in the last 4 or 5 years (I'm 21) I have been refused maybe 5 times. The one thing I never do is get visibly or verbally pissed off with bouncers opon refusal. In some cases this works to my advantage. Such as one occasion I approached the door of a club and was refused for not having ID, not to mention I wasnt anywhere near their standard dress code but I just remained calm and said ok. At this point the 2nd bouncer recognised me from our local Centra (rough neighbourhood ) and I was allowed in.

I have to admit that being refused is bad enough in some situations but being refused and being given a non straightforward answer is, to me, infuriating. Example being I was heading up to the Old Oak for a friends birthday and I was told "you wont get in with the trailers". I asked the bouncer to repeat himself 3 times after he said this before he eventually said that my pants were too baggy and I was nowhere near their dress code. Of course I wasnt too pushed either way but I was however left in amazement as I never new the Old Oak had a dress code. By the way for anyone refused from any establishment on Oliver Plunkett street the traffic lights outside the GPO are great fun when drunk. Pressing the button on both sides at the same time makes the lights automatically go red for oncoming traffic. Great for pissing off taxi drivers and the like, not that I ever would. Many a fun night was rounded up by a quick trip to the lights to wreak havoc on the unsuspecting drivers of Cork city centre

Bouncers reserve the right of admission. The law never comes into it in my head. What that means to me is, this is a private establishment. We can let in who we want. I have never had any major grievance with bouncers enforcing this so I personally do not feel it is unfair. Obviously if you headed to some of the bigger clubs around Ireland, maybe Trinity Rooms or Spirit or whatever you probably would get bouncers refusing people because they wore glasses or were ginger or for whatever reason they wanted really but in my case it has always been somewhat justified.

In no way do I want to hijack this thread but perhaps people should be complaining about the ridiculous R.O.A.R. rule that taxi drivers enforce instead of looking at bouncers. I was once told that the reason taxi drivers dont pick me up (at the time I hadn't touched a drop of alcohol in nearly two years) was because I looked like I would beat the crap out of them or rob them...or both. Its a funny old world.

Froot.

InFront wrote:

I actually think the r.o.a.r. policy is a smart one amongst taxi drivers. Working alone at night like that, it's in their best interests to protect themselves first.

Well I cant disagree. It just annoyed me at the time because they drove past (slowly) with the light on while messing with their phone. They made eye contact with me, looked at their phone and kept going. I understand they have to differentiate between good and bad people but I found it a little ridiculous. And subsequent taxi drivers have agreed with me, for what thats worth.
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pred racer wrote:

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Yeah, all that stuff you said earlier is a load of crap.

Firstly stfu about rugby, noone can see you from where you are so why bother mentioning propping or on pitch fights or whatever else. Bloody internet warriors...

Secondly how the hell si the bouncer supposed to know your and your friends exclusively dont drink until you hit a club. The bouncer sees you and makes a call based on your demeanour, dress code and age verification. You made a pretty poor case explaining your side of the story on all counts.

I fail to see how the bouncer is a tosser if you cant even bother to make a meaningful defensive statement on a website (i mean you had enough ****e about rugby, why not say your an Amish pioneer) never mind a decent effort and your physical dress or behaviour outside a club.

You can be the most idiotic person in the world around the corner from a club/pub but if your of age, dressed appropriately and appear to be sober and acting in some sane way outside a club then there are no real grounds for refusal.

Personally I would say in your case, based on the evidence YOU provided, that your refusal is a combination of bad luck and your own stupidity.

Well done to those bouncers for doing they job correctly.
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I have to say there are some occasions where bouncers just cant help the goings on ina pub. I mean on one occasion I was talking to this girl and this seemingly well dressed standard guy just passed me and literally full force elbowed me in the back. There was no way it was anything else, even the bouncer who saw agreed. So there is a few grey areas where bouncers can be forgiven for not being able to judge someone.

Futureman wrote:

Froot - what's all this +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sh*t about?

Are you trying to add something up?

I use it to separate parts of my post...I have always done that. Nice contribution to the thread by the way

Er, Bouncer.Shot.Dead.Few.Years.Ago.Limerick?

Anyway surely any job that involves dealing with thousands of drunk people when sober is tougher than dealing with the public normally.

faceman wrote:

this makes me laugh, why do people think bouncers have a tough job? Its a low skilled job and most establishments have more than 1 bouncer so its not like the majority work alone. Is it because of the grief they get? Sure you'd get that working in a consumer call centre or telesales! The threat of violence? not unless they work alone!