Bouncers - Right to refuse Admission VS Discrimination

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:01AM #1

How does that make sense?

Yes, they reserve the right to refuse you admission, but on what grounds? If you're clearly completely sober, the only other way they can judge is how you look, which, is dicrimination.

Also, if a bouncer says NOT TONIGHT, and you ask why, they say "If I give you a reason its discrimination"
they think this covers them but its actually means they've just told you they ARE discriminating against you, but wont tell you why.

I think its just an abuse of power, make some muppets feel like hardmen. They even go around boxin people if they stall the queue for a whole 20 seconds.

They need to know they're not the Gardai, and they're should be some sort of law about this kind of thing

Honestly, it doesnt really affect me personally as I tend to get in anywhere I go, regardless bein a regular, but it happens to some of my friends, every time, and its stupid.

Discuss

18-02-2007 01:04AM

I agree... but at the same time I wouldn't want to put up with the same amount of sh1t that they have to.

nesf · 18-02-2007 01:04AM

Yeah, the problem is no matter what way you want to look at it, a publican does have the right to reserve entry. It's a bitch and can be very annoying but afaik there's no way around it bar finding a place where ye won't have trouble getting in to.

grimloch · 18-02-2007 01:06AM

unreggd wrote:

Yes, they reserve the right to refuse you admission, but on what grounds? If you're clearly completely sober, the only other way they can judge is how you look, which, is dicrimination.

Apart from the way you act, how else are they going to decide?

I'm fairly content now not having all sorts of riff-raff in the nightclubs.

copacetic · 18-02-2007 01:07AM

it's a tough job and the amount of tossers that they have to deal with makes them cynical. it's all part of life, deal with it.

Dave! · 18-02-2007 01:11AM

The alternative is to let everyone in and hope they don't cause trouble. They have to be vigilant and unfortunately all they have to go on is your appearance, manners, and general demeanor.

I for one am glad that they don't let everyone into every club.

I've been refused from Fitzsimons in Temple Bar once, but other than that myself nor any of my mates (while I was with them) have never been refused, except for when we were underage of course.

Of course some places AFAIK want to keep a balance of males and females, so they refuse people on that basis but don't give an actual explaination. That's pretty sh*tty, but they're a business at the end of the day.

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:11AM

nesf wrote:

Yeah, the problem is no matter what way you want to look at it, a publican does have the right to reserve entry. It's a bitch and can be very annoying but afaik there's no way around it bar finding a place where ye won't have trouble getting in to.

I know, thats why its so confusin!

Obviously they reserve the right of admission as it's their property, but refusal on the basis of looks is discrimination

Shoulda asked about this when I was in the EU Parliament place in strasbourg!

Wertz · 18-02-2007 01:11AM

Me and bouncers tend to not see eye to eye, I regularly get (well got) refused from places for no other apparent reason than appearance/presentation/attitude....so I simply stopped going to those places.
Makes for a sh*tty social life but meh, I'd prefer to stay home, oblivious, than walk around the town annoyed about getting knocked back. All any of the clubs/pubs do in this town is play sh*te music and overcharge for booze anyhow and all anyone seems to want to do these days is snort bloody coke and prance around like they own the planet.

I've found that the more you get turned away, the more guilty you look next time you try to get in someplace and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

The handiest way to get anywhere is to wear a short skirt and a low top, but I'm not that desparate....yet.

leeroybrown · 18-02-2007 01:13AM

I don't really have a problem with them doing it. A pub/club owner has the right to protect their business and customers. Any time I'm out with someone who gets refused it's typically because they are already pissed.

nesf · 18-02-2007 01:15AM

unreggd wrote:

Obviously they reserve the right of admission as it's their property, but refusal on the basis of looks is discrimination

Is it? Or more importantly is it unfair discrimination? People seem to forget that discrimination in most of it's forms isn't either illegal or unfair, it's usually quite logical. By even deciding to leave person A in and person B not, you discriminate, even if B was carrying a shotgun in one hand and wearing a "I shot JFK" t-shirt.

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:16AM

daveym wrote:

it's a tough job and the amount of tossers that they have to deal with makes them cynical. it's all part of life, deal with it.

But they make the people act like tossers by throwin their weight around, gettin refused for no apparent reason is very frustrating. And if you calmly ask Why, they act as if you pull a gun on them.

18-02-2007 01:17AM

leeroybrown wrote:

I don't really have a problem with them doing it. A pub/club owner has the right to protect their business and customers. Any time I'm out with someone who gets refused it's typically because they are already pissed.

Thats what I've noticed about some of the night clubs around Galway though. There's one or two that are very lax when it comes to a dress code, and I've frequently gone into them wearing a hoodie and a pair of runners, and then theres others which would kick ya out if ya went anywhere near the place looking like that.

InFront · 18-02-2007 01:19AM

In general I tend to have a bad opinion of them. I was going into a certain nightclub with friends *down under* a well known shopping centre one night after study, and I had my schoolbag with me, and the guy just turned it over and emptied it right there. What a rude thing to do, I think he thought I was smuggling in alcohol or 10kgs of cocaine or something. Anyway, loads of bad experiences, they have a tough job but meh, don't do it if you can't handle it.

Terry · 18-02-2007 01:20AM

leeroybrown wrote:

I don't really have a problem with them doing it. A pub/club owner has the right to protect their business and customers. Any time I'm out with someone who gets refused it's typically because they are already pissed.

same here, except I'm usually the one who is pissed.
I have learned over the years that arguing with bouncers is a fruitless exercise and that going home after being refused entry makes you feel much better in the morning.
However, I have gone to clubs where the bouncers have refused entry to a friend of mine on the grounds that he was drunk. The guy doesn't drink or do drugs and is always the designated driver. I feel that calling the bouncers **** is justified in those instances.

copacetic · 18-02-2007 01:21AM

unreggd wrote:

But they make the people act like tossers by throwin their weight around, gettin refused for no apparent reason is very frustrating. And if you calmly ask Why, they act as if you pull a gun on them.

i know what you mean, but they can't make anyone act like a tosser. I've seldom seen anyone get in anywhere by trying to have a discussion. like you say they don't have to give a reason and if you start getting thick with them you are just proving them right for refusing you.

if you find yourself getting refused a lot make friends with a girl waiting too, they seldom refuse you if you look like a couple..

18-02-2007 01:24AM

I remember one night I was walking into a club with some friends I used to work with years ago. We had been drinking away and was a tiny bit merry. Anyways, the bouncers stop us and do the usual thing- ask for id, stare you in the eyes and ask, "how are you today?" or "how much have you had to drink tonight?" (the usual stuff). So, eventually he decides I'm too drunk (oddly enough seeing as how I was fairly sober).

He stands back and looks like he's ready for a fight, and two other bouncers are the same way. I actually thank them as I didn't even want to go out as I had work at 8 the next morning. It was the perfect excuse for not going out.

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:24AM

Terry wrote:

same here, except I'm usually the one who is pissed.
I have learned over the years that arguing with bouncers is a fruitless exercise and that going home after being refused entry makes you feel much better in the morning.
However, I have gone to clubs where the bouncers have refused entry to a friend of mine on the grounds that he was drunk. The guy doesn't drink or do drugs and is always the designated driver. I feel that calling the bouncers **** is justified in those instances.

I like!
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The dont even refuse the right people!

I was in a club with my bro when I was 17 because we know the owner well, and holy bejaysis it scared the crap outta me, even my 24 y/o bro!

Everyone was out of it on coke and every other a-z drug, and foamin at the mouth

Had to leave

Then was in another club and the fights never stopped

It just makes NO apparent sense!

Basically, their judge of character is a loada boiiox

DaveyM wrote:

if you start getting thick with them you are just proving them right for refusing you

Theres a big difference between gettin thick and asking a simple question

DaveyM wrote:

if you find yourself getting refused a lot make friends with a girl waiting too, they seldom refuse you if you look like a couple..

I already said I personally dont get refused too much, I just think its not fair and wasnt sure of the legalities.

Mod Edit:
please don't name clubs where illegal activities may or may not have taken place. See the Sticky at the tp of every forum for the reason behind that.

Terry.

Haven't a Clue · 18-02-2007 01:27AM

Smartarse bouncers are pricks. I got stopped on new years eve, I'm only 17, and got nowhere with me fake id. He just says: "You'll havew to come back next year."

Fair enough says I. So I go back up to the place at 1 and surely enough get in. Too good for the smartarse gob****e.

copacetic · 18-02-2007 01:32AM

unreggd wrote:

Theres a big difference between gettin thick and asking a simple question

I already said I personally dont get refused too much, I just think its not fair and wasnt sure of the legalities

sure you are already getting thick with me!

ya little bollix! just stand to the side there for a second..

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:33AM

daveym wrote:

sure you are already getting thick with me! ya little bollix! just stand to the side there for a second..

But why? Could it be that you're jealous and resentful that I have the social life you could never have Mister Bouncer Man Sir????

Found this as an example of illegal discrimination Here, its the US though

In Public Accommodations...

...when, because of race, color, creed, religion, disability, national origin, sex, or sexual orientation:

Its safe to say 90% of guys get refused because they're guys and not 14 year old slappers with their boobs hangin out of their trainer bra

copacetic · 18-02-2007 01:35AM

unreggd wrote:

But why? Could it be that you're jealous and resentful that I have the social life you could never have Mister Bouncer Man Sir????

your right, come on in around the back way I'll show you, just down these steel steps here...

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:42AM

daveym wrote:

your right, come on in around the back way I'll show you, just down these steel steps here...

There ye go, ye just answered your own question!

Elitism
[Also Referenced as an abuse of power]

Lookism

copacetic · 18-02-2007 01:45AM

unreggd wrote:

There ye go, ye just answered your own question!

Elitism
[Also Referenced as an abuse of power]

Lookism

here lads, give us a hand here, i've put him down the steps and he is still
fartin on...

Terry · 18-02-2007 01:47AM

Folks, please do not mention names of clubs with references to any possible illegal activities in said clubs.
Look at the stick up top about the unmentionable for reference.
Thanks.

unreggd · 18-02-2007 01:59AM

Terry wrote:

Folks, please do not mention names of clubs with references to any possible illegal activities in said clubs.
Look at the stick up top about the unmentionable for reference.
Thanks.

Sorry Man, didnt even notice that!

I'm probably just frustrated because a bouncer refused me from Club Super Fun Happy Mega Whopper Savage Animal Buzz tonight for no apparent reason :P

Ill use codenames in future

18-02-2007 02:07AM

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leeroybrown · 18-02-2007 02:15AM

Terry wrote:

However, I have gone to clubs where the bouncers have refused entry to a friend of mine on the grounds that he was drunk. The guy doesn't drink or do drugs and is always the designated driver. I feel that calling the bouncers **** is justified in those instances.

I knew a non-drinker who used to get refused occasionally too. The funny thing is that without the aid of anything that anyone else in the queue was using he would still be the most outgoing, energetic and hyper guy there. He was just being his normal self.

Mysteron · 18-02-2007 02:35AM

DaveMcG wrote:

Of course some places AFAIK want to keep a balance of males and females, so they refuse people on that basis

Apart from being pissed outta yer head, i think thats the second most acceptable reason to be refused entry. There's nothin worse than being in a club when the guys out number the girls by like 3 to 1, it makes for a pretty ****e nite. But ya, in my experience most bouncers are pricks. At the very least you should be told why you're being refused instead of that "Not tonight", crap followed by zero tolerance of any questions.

BrandonBlock · 18-02-2007 02:57AM

Absolute pricks the lot of them

Terry · 18-02-2007 02:59AM

unreggd wrote:

Sorry Man, didnt even notice that!

I'm probably just frustrated because a bouncer refused me from Club Super Fun Happy Mega Whopper Savage Animal Buzz tonight for no apparent reason :P

Ill use codenames in future

No problem. This is a dodgy area at the moment and will be for the next few years on this site.

T.Sc wrote:

Would i be right in assuming you're from Cork? Most notioriously assholed bouncers on this Island.
I've been to major Cities and towns all over Ireland and i've yet to come across worse.

I was in Galway recently and one bouncer says to me "How are you for drink" but in a 'I dont think you've had enough' kind of a tone....

It varies from town to town and club to club. Christ, it even varies from night to night in some places.
My local nightclub is a strange place. Some nights I can walk right in. Other nights one of the bouncers will tell me that I'm not getting in because I'm too drunk (even when I'm clearly not).
The thing is, some bouncers are just complete arseholes.

leeroybrown wrote:

I knew a non-drinker who used to get refused occasionally too. The funny thing is that without the aid of anything that anyone else in the queue was using he would still be the most outgoing, energetic and hyper guy there. He was just being his normal self.

Same with my friend.
No red bull or any other energy drink involved.
He would have 1 or 2 rock shandies over a 5 hour period and be as wired as the rest of us.
Again, some bouncers are just ****.

Mysteron wrote:

Apart from being pissed outta yer head, i think thats the second most acceptable reason to be refused entry. There's nothin worse than being in a club when the guys out number the girls by like 3 to 1, it makes for a pretty ****e nite. But ya, in my experience most bouncers are pricks. At the very least you should be told why you're being refused instead of that "Not tonight", crap followed by zero tolerance of any questions.

Mysteron wrote:

I am a dalek

Nothing worse than a sausage fest.

brianthebard · 18-02-2007 03:17AM

unreggd wrote:

Obviously they reserve the right of admission as it's their property, but refusal on the basis of looks is discrimination

I don't think its legislated against, unless you have a source?

Edit: btw, I've yet to be refused entry on a night out. Perhaps I'm just not going to the high class places...

Bouncers - Right to refuse Admission VS Discrimination

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