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Tiger Kidnapping

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭NeiloMac


    Maybe when the dude is in the bank, they can be called and only when the money and family are safe do they move in, but really its not your money and its insured anyway,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    NeiloMac wrote:
    Maybe when the dude is in the bank, they can be called and only when the money and family are safe do they move in, but really its not your money and its insured anyway,
    That is EXACTLY what happened yesterday. Pretty much to a T.

    The only difference was that MooseJam's theory relied on the victim knowing where his family was. The family are kept at a secret location, in this case 10-15 miles north of the man's home, while the cash drop-off was 10-15 miles south of his home.

    Only when the family were located did the Gardai act. As I said, fair play to the Gardai, they did well.

    As for MooseJam, potential there in the future for a Darwin Award.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    Ruu wrote:
    Never heard of it meself. I was expecting some story fro Dublin Zoo or somesuch. :) From Wiki.
    Tiger kidnapping is taking an innocent hostage to make a loved one or associate of the victim do something, e.g. a child is taken hostage to force the shopkeeper to open the safe; the term originates from the usually long preceding observation, like a tiger does on the prowl.

    Aha! I thought it was a reference to the Celtic Tiger, what with these types of robberies becoming more frequent in recent years.

    Moosejam, I can't believe some of the things you're posting. No-one in their right mind would put the lives of their family in peril to save their employer's money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭muletide


    MooseJam wrote:
    exactly its a job for the guards, calling the guards does not make you an idiot,

    scenario ... bank worker goes to the bank as requested and while there calls the guards and says armed gang are in my house, said house gets surrounded by the guards and gang give up or get shot dead. This might give the criminals planning the next raid second thoughts.

    Mr. Jam you obviously know very little about the Modus Operandi of these guys. They dont normally sit in the manager or bank workers house waiting for the money. Normally the family members are taken somewhere remote or to a derelict building and kept there. So informing the Gardai will do very little to save your unfortunate family members and will not help in catching the crims. The only solution is increased security for bank workers but even at that you cant protect everyone 24-7

    Or else some brave manager could try the Mel Gibson trick from Hostage and offer the money to whoever kills the kidnappers. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Fair play to the guards for catching them, however they did it?

    I'd say there's only a few gangs in the country that could pull these off. I wouldn't call the cops all they want is the cash I wouldn't risk my family for any amount of money, especially considering the gangs can send someone else to kill them reguardless of weather or not the guys carrying out the kidnapping get caught.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    ballooba wrote:
    The gardai did well today.

    Hopefully this will deter other scumbags.

    Hopefully what will deter other scumbags? Maybe some of you have other information but going on the link posted the gardai did not foil the robbery or catch anyone red handed, they didn't recover the money or any weapons. As far as I can see all they have done is lift suspects for questioning and their cars for forensic examination. Unless the people they lifted are complete amatuers they will tourched the cars they used for transporting the family, not used there own cars and will either no comment their way through interegation or stare blankly at a spot on the wall and say nothing. Again going solely on the information in that link I wouldn't be surprised at all if the suspects are released without charge after the maximum time they can be held.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Was BOI keeping a tiger in the vault? Do they appreciate in value at a better rate than the normal rate of a current account?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    muletide wrote:
    Mr. Jam you obviously know very little about the Modus Operandi of these guys. They dont normally sit in the manager or bank workers house waiting for the money. Normally the family members are taken somewhere remote or to a derelict building and kept there. So informing the Gardai will do very little to save your unfortunate family members and will not help in catching the crims. The only solution is increased security for bank workers but even at that you cant protect everyone 24-7

    Or else some brave manager could try the Mel Gibson trick from Hostage and offer the money to whoever kills the kidnappers. :)


    Thanks for putting me right muletide, I don't know why everyone thinks im an idiot, it's the bank staff handing over the money without calling the guards that has them marked as soft targets, the guards should be informed as soon as possible and then the money and the gang can be tracked and if the family are found then they can move against the gang, maybe thats what happened in this case. If this is done then these gangs will be cought, it's actually very very easy to catch these people, just call the guards and follow the money. If they just hand over the money they are setting up the next family to be held hostage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Christ Moosejam, thats some of the most stupid shít I've read on Boards in a while. Well done sir, just when I think I've seen it all, you go and set the bar that one bit higher.

    Tiger Raids, or any other form of robbery, is absolutely nothing to worry about. Sure enough they're an absolutely horrible experience, particularly in the cases of Tiger Raids or other such personal raids (i.e the criminals approach 1/2 members of staff, rather than wandering in and holding the whole place up), but the victims just have to realise that
    a: Your life and your families is the most important thing, the bank/business will not give two f*cks about the money as every cent of it is insured
    b: You owe the company/business/employer absolutely nothing
    c: Co-operate with the criminals and you'll be absolutely fine.

    If I was held at gunpoint, or any member of my family were, I'd do absolutely everything the captors told me to do. Similarly, if the place I work in was held up, I'd help the gunmen/raiders in any way possible, direct them to every bit of cash so as to save my own skin and get the whole thing over and done with as quickly as possible.

    And Moosejam thinks that would warrant me being arrested and charged with theft?!LOL, I hope your house is broken into and your whole family is held at gunpoint, then we'll see how brave you are and how willing you are to go against the peoples orders. Idiot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Matthewthebig


    Yeah these crimes are bad yada yada...

    But Dear Lord the use of the term Tiger makes them seem ****ing retarded

    2c


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    Thanks for putting me right muletide, I don't know why everyone thinks im an idiot, it's the bank staff handing over the money without calling the guards that has them marked as soft targets, the guards should be informed as soon as possible and then the money and the gang can be tracked and if the family are found then they can move against the gang, maybe thats what happened in this case. If this is done then these gangs will be cought, it's actually very very easy to catch these people, just call the guards and follow the money. If they just hand over the money they are setting up the next family to be held hostage.

    LOL.

    So you'd happily put your own or your families life at risk to save your company a bit of (insured) cash?And you have to ask why people think you're an idiot?!LOL!

    Its the Gardaís job to catch the criminals, your priority lies in protecting your own ass and your families.

    Go for it though, you'll make the headlines for sure (if it ever happens), and it won't just be the users on Boards.ie calling you an idiot then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    rb_ie wrote:
    LOL.

    So you'd happily put your own or your families life at risk to save your company a bit of (insured) cash?And you have to ask why people think you're an idiot?!LOL!

    Its the Gardaís job to catch the criminals, your priority lies in protecting your own ass and your families.

    Go for it though, you'll make the headlines for sure (if it ever happens), and it won't just be the users on Boards.ie calling you an idiot then.

    If done properly there wouldn't be any extra risk involved for the family, the gang could just be observed discreetly and the guards could move in when the whereabouts of the family is discovered, they are professionals after all, why not give then some credit and trust. Why do you think its a good idea playing along with these gangs, maybe the gang that kidnaps your family will be a bunch of psychos and they'll be laughing at you playing along and getting the money cause they are just gonna kill everybody anyway, have you considered that possibility.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    If done properly there wouldn't be any extra risk involved for the family, the gang could just be observed discreetly and the guards could move in when the whereabouts of the family is discovered, they are professionals after all, why not give then some credit and trust. Why do you think its a good idea playing along with these gangs, maybe the gang that kidnaps your family will be a bunch of psychos and they'll be laughing at you playing along and getting the money cause they are just gonna kill everybody anyway, have you considered that possibility.
    They're not going to kill your family unneccessarily. They're professional criminals, killing people without the need to just adds more to their records. If the Gardaí get involved and surround the house as you so stupidly suggested, they may use you and/or your family as proper hostages and start killing them if their demands aren't met, as they have to express their power/excert their control in the situation. Its an absolutely stupid and unnecessary risk. Playing along, doing what you're told and getting them what they want will ensure the safety of you and your family. It is the WISE DECISION TO MAKE IN THE SITUATION.

    Its not my job to catch the criminals, its the Gardaí's, I'm certainly not going to f*ck around with people with guns to save a company that I owe absolutely nothing to a bit of hassle.

    You have to be trolling (and quite poorly at that), theres no way someone could actually seriously come out with this crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    Folks, less of the abuse. Grow up or shut up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    We all pay the cost of the insurance, so saying 'it's all insured anyway' is of no good. Hardly in society's interest to let vast sums end up in criminal hands either.

    Quite simply, the consent of more people should be necessary to open a safe. McDowell is perfectly correct, the banks and security companies can solve this one easily, they just don't care enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    Playing along with these guys has led to the situation we have now with families being taken every other week, it could quite easily have been nipped in the bud if the first couple of gangs who tried this had been apprehended


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Nermal wrote:
    We all pay the cost of the insurance, so saying 'it's all insured anyway' is of no good. Hardly in society's interest to let vast sums end up in criminal hands either.

    You're quite clueless too, aren't you? Bank branches are not allowed hold very substantial amounts of money, a bank raid will have little or no effect on YOUR insurance premiums.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    rb_ie wrote:
    You're quite clueless too, aren't you? Bank branches are not allowed hold very substantial amounts of money, a bank raid will have little or no effect on YOUR insurance premiums.

    how do you know that, who insures the banks ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    how do you know that, who insures the banks ?
    Because I'm very well aware of the limits a bank branch can hold. A persons house burning to the ground would have more of an effect (still little or none) on the overall price of insurance than a single bank raid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    didn't the ira steal 28 million sterling from a bank, whats that in euros


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    didn't the ira steal 28 million sterling from a bank, whats that in euros
    Yeah but thats because the security in that bank was borderline retarded. That wasn't just a bank branch either, it was the equivilant of AIB Bankcentre or even the central bank, so they'd more money than anywhere else stored in it.

    Bank branches themselves are only authorized to hold a surprisingly small amount of cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    rb_ie wrote:
    Bank branches themselves are only authorized to hold a surprisingly small amount of cash.

    You've been doing your homework rb_ie?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    rb_ie wrote:
    Bank branches themselves are only authorized to hold a surprisingly small amount of cash.

    hundreds of thousands isn't surprisingly small


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    Regular branches hold hundreds of thousands?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    hundreds of thousands isn't surprisingly small
    No but its not a significant amount, as I said, a persons house burning to the ground would have more of an effect than a bank raid on insurance, though it a house burning down would have probably no effect whatsoever, perhaps on the house owners premium, but certainly not on other customers.
    Are you just looking for an argument or something? Or are you just having problems keeping up with the pace of the thread?
    InFront wrote:
    You've been doing your homework rb_ie?!

    Lol, not so much homework no..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    yes regular branches hold hundreds of thousands, sure what would they do if 200 people came in looking to withdraw a grand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭MooseJam


    perhaps one bank raid might not but lots of premises are robbed and lots of houses burn down and of course it effects your or my policy, if it didn't then the insurance companies would go out of business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    MooseJam wrote:
    Thanks for putting me right muletide, I don't know why everyone thinks im an idiot, it's the bank staff handing over the money without calling the guards that has them marked as soft targets, the guards should be informed as soon as possible and then the money and the gang can be tracked and if the family are found then they can move against the gang, maybe thats what happened in this case.
    For the umpteenth time, that is what happened!!!

    Seriously, Darwin Award candidate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    MooseJam wrote:
    perhaps one bank raid might not but lots of premises are robbed and lots of houses burn down and of course it effects your or my policy, if it didn't then the insurance companies would go out of business.
    No, they don't. Not many places are robbed for substantial amounts, and not all that many houses burn down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    slipss wrote:
    Hopefully what will deter other scumbags?
    They didn't get to torch the cars. They were recovered. One of them is pictured in today's independent (the Renault).

    The mobile home has been located also. The gang has been identified.


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