Tiger Kidnapping

stepbar · 01-02-2007 11:14PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0201/swords.html

It worries me to think how easy it could be done. I work in BOI and TBH anybody in the branch could be a potential target. And the problem is that there is no simple answer to the problem either. Branch staff are very exposed to these types of incidents. I wonder can ANYTHING be done to combat the uprise in Tiger Kidnappings?

biko · 01-02-2007 11:18PM

Stop overcharging your customers is a start.

stepbar · 01-02-2007 11:20PM

biko wrote:

Stop overcharging your customers is a start.

Wot? Stick to the topic will ya. :rolleyes:

Dave! · 01-02-2007 11:21PM

Unless you're a manager or someone with alot of security clearance, I doubt you have anything to worry about to be honest. No point in kidnapping the cleaner if they can't give you access to the safe.

InFront · 01-02-2007 11:27PM

stepbar wrote:

I wonder can ANYTHING be done to combat the uprise in Tiger Kidnappings?

I don't know, but I thought McDowell's 'stern words' to the financial institutions were comical. The Minister for Justice complaining that financial institutions were allowing these crimes to happen. How typically... PD

CLADA · 01-02-2007 11:30PM

(1) Some kind of mobile personal panic alarm linked to a monitoring company. i'm sure in this day and age such things exist.

(2) Security protocols preventing withdrawal of cash by individual employees.

Two to think about.

stepbar · 01-02-2007 11:30PM

Its hard to know, I mean if you were a manager and one of your lower level staff was implicated in such a suitation, I think you would give them the access.

And its not only the banks, in the last few weeks there has been 4 seperate incidents. Its getting out of hand TBH

biko · 01-02-2007 11:38PM

Afaik this is not uncommon on the continent. Does anyone know how they have tried to solve it over there?

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 03:10AM

One way to fight the rise in tiger kidnappings would be to charge the bank personnel who walk out of the banks with all the money with theft and lock them up for 10 or 15 years, why haven't any of these people been charged, if they knew they were going to face a lenghty sentence they would inform the guards as they should do rather than playing along with the kidnappers

InFront · 02-02-2007 03:13AM

MooseJam wrote:

rather than playing along with the kidnappers

Yeah because they play along, like just for fun.

Would you go to jail or give your husband/ wife a bullet?
There's your answer.

ballooba · 02-02-2007 03:16AM

The gardai did well today.

Hopefully this will deter other scumbags.

Futureman · 02-02-2007 03:19AM

Am I missing something? What the f*ck has a tiger got to do with a bank kidnapping?????

Ruu_Old · 02-02-2007 03:22AM

Never heard of it meself. I was expecting some story fro Dublin Zoo or somesuch.

From Wiki.

Tiger kidnapping is taking an innocent hostage to make a loved one or associate of the victim do something, e.g. a child is taken hostage to force the shopkeeper to open the safe; the term originates from the usually long preceding observation, like a tiger does on the prowl.

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 03:25AM

InFront wrote:

Yeah because they play along, like just for fun.

Would you go to jail or give your husband/ wife a bullet?
There's your answer.

I'd call the guards and let them deal with the situation not rob a bank like these people do, they should be prosecuted, there is no excuse.

InFront · 02-02-2007 03:30AM

Someone is holding a gun to a member of your family and you're going to walk casually to the phone and call the guards?

Right and then you'd probably go and do the shopping while they clean up the mess, yeah? Yeah that's tough.

ballooba · 02-02-2007 03:33AM

MooseJam wrote:

I'd call the guards and let them deal with the situation not rob a bank like these people do, they should be prosecuted, there is no excuse.

Are you insane? Do you have family?

The bank's money is no where near as important as a person's life.

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 03:39AM

ballooba wrote:

Are you insane? Do you have family?

The bank's money is no where near as important as a person's life.

you're implying that going along with these scumbags is the right thing to do, why don't any of these people just call the guards, it's not that hard a concept to understand, if they called the guards then there would be a lot less of these kidnappings.

InFront · 02-02-2007 03:41AM

No there wouldn't, there'd be the one idiot who called the guards and his dead relative, and then there'd be the smart victims with husbands and wives getting back to normal.

This is a job for the minister for justice and the gardai, it's not up to victims to police gangland.

Would you expect a staff member of a bank to allow himself to be shot instead of handing over money in an armed robbery?
What about a girl behind a counter in a shop?

ballooba · 02-02-2007 03:43AM

MooseJam wrote:

you're implying that going along with these scumbags is the right thing to do, why don't any of these people just call the guards, it's not that hard a concept to understand, if they called the guards then there would be a lot less of these kidnappings.

And their families would most likely get slapped around, maimed or killed.

What do you envisage would happen once the victim calls the police?

Bear in mind that the livelihood of the kidnappers depends on fear and the continuance of this practice.

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 03:51AM

InFront wrote:

This is a job for the minister for justice and the gardai, it's not up to victims to police gangland.

exactly its a job for the guards, calling the guards does not make you an idiot,

scenario ... bank worker goes to the bank as requested and while there calls the guards and says armed gang are in my house, said house gets surrounded by the guards and gang give up or get shot dead. This might give the criminals planning the next raid second thoughts.

InFront · 02-02-2007 03:55AM

MooseJam wrote:

scenario ... bank worker goes to the bank as requested and while there calls the guards and says armed gang are in my house, said house gets surrounded by the guards and

hostage gets shot

MooseJam wrote:

This might give the criminals planning the next raid second thoughts.

And the guy who called the guards as well.

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 03:59AM

InFront wrote:

hostage gets shot

yeah the kidnappers are just going to start popping caps, it'd be just like the movies

:rolleyes:

Lorax · 02-02-2007 04:01AM

MooseJam wrote:

exactly its a job for the guards, calling the guards does not make you an idiot,

scenario ... bank worker goes to the bank as requested and while there calls the guards and says armed gang are in my house, said house gets surrounded by the guards and gang give up or get shot dead. This might give the criminals planning the next raid second thoughts.

lol your gas, do you think the kidnappers just let the family wander about the house while all this is going on? they more than likely have guns to their heads ordering them around.. so your chances of making a phone call are slim to be honest.. never mind putting your son/daughters/girlfriends/wifes life at risk by doing so aswell..

Having said that, Kudos to u if u are willing to die, or have your children shot dead to teach these bowsies a lesson. Someone needs to stand up to them :rolleyes:

MooseJam · 02-02-2007 04:02AM

Lorax wrote:

lol your gas, do you think the kidnappers just let the family wander about the house while all this is going on? they more than likely have guns to their heads ordering them around.. so your chances of making a phone call are slim to be honest.. never mind putting your son/daughters/girlfriends/wifes life at risk by doing so aswell..

the bank worker has to go to the bank to get the money out, he could call from the bank

Lorax · 02-02-2007 04:49AM

MooseJam wrote:

the bank worker has to go to the bank to get the money out, he could call from the bank

If u would play dice with the lives of your children then thats your business, personally I wouldnt call their bluff as to whether they'd actually shoot or not.

Dave! · 02-02-2007 06:42AM

MooseJam, your intelligence is showing....

spanner · 02-02-2007 07:41AM

home security will need to be beefed up especially people in high risk catorgies. not just spending money on alarms but changing the Attitude in security. With all the crime at the moment people are still very lax to security, leaving the door open, not turning on the alarm etc

Hagar · 02-02-2007 08:46AM

DaveMcG wrote:

No point in kidnapping the cleaner if they can't give you access to the safe.

Fair point. In my experience though only a very select few people in any company had access to every single room in the building, usually the most Senior Manager, his/her PA and the cleaner. So from the point of view of gathering intelligence for a future robbery the cleaner is a definitely at risk.

The Hill Billy · 02-02-2007 09:05AM

Futureman wrote:

Am I missing something? What the f*ck has a tiger got to do with a bank kidnapping?????

These type of kidnappings have been termed "tiger" due to the predatory nature of the crims involved. They obviously stalk their prey for some time before the attack to determine their movements, etc.

DaveMcG wrote:

MooseJam, your intelligence is showing....

Dave, really! You know as well as I that even the most experienced Tiger Kidnapper would have trouble tracking down intelligence in those posts.

02-02-2007 09:35AM

lol, moosejam's posts have me sitting here crying from laughing, that's hilarious

I duno what can be done about it... I was wondering why people would kidnap tigers til ruu's post...

humanji · 02-02-2007 09:38AM

MooseJam wrote:

yeah the kidnappers are just going to start popping caps, it'd be just like the movies

:rolleyes:

Do you honestly think that once the police surround the house that everything will turn out fine? The kidnappers will be backed into a corner and get desperate, and that's when people can get killed.

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