Do you want a career with that?

Kinetic^ · 29-01-2007 12:10PM

Ah cool, thanks for the breakdown in hierarchy.

faceman · 29-01-2007 12:51PM

Read Fast Food Nation and you will never eat/work in mcdonalds again. And its not all to do with the food...

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 01:07PM

TBH faceman, a lot of the main arguments of Fast Food Nation just don't hold up outside the U.S.

faceman · 29-01-2007 01:28PM

Sleepy wrote:

TBH faceman, a lot of the main arguments of Fast Food Nation just don't hold up outside the U.S.

and why's that?

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 01:44PM

For a start our slaughterhouses aren't anything like those in the states, there's no growth hormone in our meat and the same exploitation of workers isn't as easy to get away with in Ireland as it is the U.S.

Rawr! · 29-01-2007 01:58PM

anyone watch that film? Supersize me...

LOL

I nearly puked right there and then on me couch...

faceman · 29-01-2007 03:27PM

Sleepy wrote:

For a start our slaughterhouses aren't anything like those in the states, there's no growth hormone in our meat and the same exploitation of workers isn't as easy to get away with in Ireland as it is the U.S.

Whats your point? Its still the same company with the same values.

gucci · 29-01-2007 03:36PM

to be honest i dont know how anyone would eat or work in a place that has its "own smell" ,as in i find the smell of mcdonalds food to be repulsive, can get it from about 100yards any side of an outlet, no matter what country its in,obviously something to do with the oils etc used. same can be said of burger king,subway etc.
enough to keep me away from eating or applying for a job

humanji · 29-01-2007 03:40PM

It's the same franchise, but owned by different people, using different practices.

faceman · 29-01-2007 03:47PM

humanji wrote:

It's the same franchise, but owned by different people, using different practices.

not entirely true. There are strict franchising rules if you open a McD's. Granted food suppliers may differ from region to region.

Any mcdonald workers care to share their stories?

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 04:06PM

faceman wrote:

Whats your point? Its still the same company with the same values.

My point was that the food in an Irish McDonalds/Burger King/Generic Fast food resteraunt would be a lot safer to eat than it's American counterpart and like humanji points out, the franchisees here are different and operating under a different legal system than those in the states.

I'm not by any means defending McDonalds practices in the states just questioning your reasons for not eating/working there. TBH, I'd have to be pretty hard up to get a job in McDonalds (though I would do it rather than go on the dole) and only ever eat there occasionaly when I'm stuck without any better alternative but reading one book that's relevance to McDonalds in Ireland is extremely questionable and forming your opinion on that alone seems a little misguided to me.

faceman · 29-01-2007 04:19PM

Sleepy wrote:

My point was that the food in an Irish McDonalds/Burger King/Generic Fast food resteraunt would be a lot safer to eat than it's American counterpart and like humanji points out, the franchisees here are different and operating under a different legal system than those in the states.

Thats a naive statement IMO. Do 100% of the profits in e.g. the irish frachise stay in the hands of the individual franchise owner in ireland. Just because the more serious issues are in the US, do we use that as an excuse?

(over 50% of mcdonald's revenues are from europe. Link here)

shane86 · 29-01-2007 04:19PM

faceman wrote:

not entirely true. There are strict franchising rules if you open a McD's. Granted food suppliers may differ from region to region.

Any mcdonald workers care to share their stories?

Theres none, Im sorry to disappoint you all (well, theres stories, but it was more pranks on new staff rather than anything at all to do with the customers or food served).

For starters sauce dispensers are impregnable, so the next time someone tells you his cousin worked there and they used to make sweet love to the mayo before putting it on the burgers, its bollix I can assure you. Even if you wanted to the place is too rushed. In all fairness cleanliness and food quality is above everything else in there, and you used to get in pretty heavy ****e if you werent up to scratch.

Not the healthiest food, but its undeniably tasty.

faceman · 29-01-2007 04:24PM

Some further reading on mcdonald's operations in europe can be found here

brianthebard · 29-01-2007 04:46PM

shane86 wrote:

Not the healthiest food, but its undeniably tasty.

I unequiovcally deny that statement-wouldn't eat in mcdonalds if I was starving.

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 04:58PM

faceman wrote:

Sleepy wrote:

My point was that the food in an Irish McDonalds/Burger King/Generic Fast food resteraunt would be a lot safer to eat than it's American counterpart and like humanji points out, the franchisees here are different and operating under a different legal system than those in the states.

Thats a naive statement IMO. Do 100% of the profits in e.g. the irish frachise stay in the hands of the individual franchise owner in ireland. Just because the more serious issues are in the US, do we use that as an excuse?

(over 50% of mcdonald's revenues are from europe. Link here)

What's naieve about my statement?

That Irish meat is safer to eat than American?
That the people who own and manage the stores are different than those who own and manage the American stores?
That under our legal system workers have more protection than Americans?

They're all facts afaik.

Or are you confusing naieve with just not caring about America's incarnation of McD's? America is a democratic country, if they don't care enough to elect a decent government (not that I'm saying we Irish people do, we've a pretty horrific record there ourselves), they can live with the consequences as far as I'm concerned.

faceman · 29-01-2007 05:03PM

Sleepy wrote:

What's naieve about my statement?

put simply, eating in mcdonalds generates revenue for top of the mcdonalds food chain (no pun intended!). i.e. A portion of the profits are repatriated to mcdonalds hq.

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 05:09PM

Re-read my post. It's not that I'm naieve. It's that I don't give a ****.

29-01-2007 05:15PM

it's not just a job though maccers it's a career

humanji · 29-01-2007 05:17PM

In fairness, if you follow any corporation up to it's top you'll find they're all owned by the same small group of corporations. Sure one of the companies involved in the Port Tunnel sold WMD's in Iraq. If you want to boycott all those corporations who are making money by dodgy means, you're going to have to do without a lot of things.

29-01-2007 05:28PM

humanji wrote:

In fairness, if you follow any corporation up to it's top you'll find they're all owned by the same small group of corporations. Sure one of the companies involved in the Port Tunnel sold WMD's in Iraq. If you want to boycott all those corporations who are making money by dodgy means, you're going to have to do without a lot of things.

indeed like begin a boycott of the human race becasue these coporations are just shareholers who also happen to be people

faceman · 29-01-2007 05:42PM

Sleepy wrote:

Re-read my post. It's not that I'm naieve. It's that I don't give a ****.

and that my friend is called ignorance.

Iago · 29-01-2007 05:50PM

While it may not be the first job that springs to mind, a career in McDonalds is something that could and should interest people who want to be successful in business and have an opportunity to be their own boss.

As well as learning the industry from within, always an advantage regardless of company, McDonalds have an extensive external training program and offer a genuine chance for you to be your own boss within a reasonable period of time, i.e. 5-8 years from first starting there. When I say boss I mean franchise owner as opposed to store or area manager which could be achieved in around 3 years if the candidate was the right one.

So in 3 years you could be earning €42K having had no experience, hell lets make it 6 years from the time you leave school, so when you're 23. Your other option is to go to college and do a degree for 4 years and then get a job in one of the areas mentioned below. At 23 you'll be lucky to have reached the mid-point of these salary scales, and even moving company you wouldn't jump through the range.

So fast forward another 3 years and you're well experienced in your chosen field, and you're earning the top of the ranges below. You're itching to get on so you go back to college at night and do another qualification or maybe just get lucky with an opportunity and get a big promotion. So your salary has increased to maybe €50 and if you're really exceptional, close to €60K. You're still working for somone else and your salary represents around .001% of the revenue you are bringing into the company you work for.

Meanwhile the guy who started in McDonalds now owns his own restaurant and is making plans for expansion of the franchise into some other area. He's working for himself and taking the lions share of the profits. More importantly if he was to decide to change role, he could take his pick of senior management roles in a number of industries, and as it turns out he's now your boss.

Food for thought

Salary Scales for Ireland 2006, first figure is the average starting wage, 2nd figure is the top 20% of people in that role.

Marketing : Brand/Product Manager 35 - 48K
Sales: Business Development Mgr 35 - 42K
Telecoms Sales: Business Account Manager 28 - 35K
Telecoms Marketing: Product Manager 38 - 50K
Banking: Treasury Accountant 40-50K
Human Resources: HR Officer 32-40K
Engineering IT: 2nd Line Support Engineer 22-35K
Engineering IT: Sr. Field Service Engineer 30-50K
IT: Software Tester (Unix) 25-45K
IT: Software Tester (Windows) 25-45K
IT: Web Developer 25-40K
IT: Database Developer (Oracle) 32-50K
Marketing: Market Analyst 28-40K
Marketing: Marketing Executive 25-38K

No I don't work for or own a McDonalds, although if I saved the money I'd spent there over the years I could probably afford one! There are many routes to success and fulfillment, and I think that Mcdonalds represents a great opportunity for any young person with a bit of drive and determination. It is only in ireland that McDonalds isn't staffed by the nationals of the country, and only in Ireland that there is such a stigma attached to doing any of the "menial" jobs.

It's particularily comical considering the mass unemployment and migrations of the 70-80s when our parents and their parents would have taken any job they could get. Everything is cyclical people, don't think these times will last forever.

Sleepy · 29-01-2007 05:54PM

faceman wrote:

and that my friend is called ignorance.

Maybe, I see it more as impotence tbh. I can't change anything in America. I don't have the power. Americans do have that power but choose not to exercise it so tbh why should I be concerned about it?

LundiMardi · 29-01-2007 06:44PM

Iago wrote:

While it may not be the first job that springs to mind, a career in McDonalds is something that could and should interest people who want to be successful in business and have an opportunity to be their own boss.

As well as learning the industry from within, always an advantage regardless of company, McDonalds have an extensive external training program and offer a genuine chance for you to be your own boss within a reasonable period of time, i.e. 5-8 years from first starting there. When I say boss I mean franchise owner as opposed to store or area manager which could be achieved in around 3 years if the candidate was the right one.

So in 3 years you could be earning €42K having had no experience, hell lets make it 6 years from the time you leave school, so when you're 23. Your other option is to go to college and do a degree for 4 years and then get a job in one of the areas mentioned below. At 23 you'll be lucky to have reached the mid-point of these salary scales, and even moving company you wouldn't jump through the range.

So fast forward another 3 years and you're well experienced in your chosen field, and you're earning the top of the ranges below. You're itching to get on so you go back to college at night and do another qualification or maybe just get lucky with an opportunity and get a big promotion. So your salary has increased to maybe €50 and if you're really exceptional, close to €60K. You're still working for somone else and your salary represents around .001% of the revenue you are bringing into the company you work for.

Meanwhile the guy who started in McDonalds now owns his own restaurant and is making plans for expansion of the franchise into some other area. He's working for himself and taking the lions share of the profits. More importantly if he was to decide to change role, he could take his pick of senior management roles in a number of industries, and as it turns out he's now your boss.

Food for thought

Salary Scales for Ireland 2006, first figure is the average starting wage, 2nd figure is the top 20% of people in that role.

Marketing : Brand/Product Manager 35 - 48K
Sales: Business Development Mgr 35 - 42K
Telecoms Sales: Business Account Manager 28 - 35K
Telecoms Marketing: Product Manager 38 - 50K
Banking: Treasury Accountant 40-50K
Human Resources: HR Officer 32-40K
Engineering IT: 2nd Line Support Engineer 22-35K
Engineering IT: Sr. Field Service Engineer 30-50K
IT: Software Tester (Unix) 25-45K
IT: Software Tester (Windows) 25-45K
IT: Web Developer 25-40K
IT: Database Developer (Oracle) 32-50K
Marketing: Market Analyst 28-40K
Marketing: Marketing Executive 25-38K

No I don't work for or own a McDonalds, although if I saved the money I'd spent there over the years I could probably afford one! There are many routes to success and fulfillment, and I think that Mcdonalds represents a great opportunity for any young person with a bit of drive and determination. It is only in ireland that McDonalds isn't staffed by the nationals of the country, and only in Ireland that there is such a stigma attached to doing any of the "menial" jobs.

It's particularily comical considering the mass unemployment and migrations of the 70-80s when our parents and their parents would have taken any job they could get. Everything is cyclical people, don't think these times will last forever.

Good post man.

Juggle · 29-01-2007 07:09PM

Iago

I think you will find the lions share of the profits made get paid as fees back to the US, thats the price to pay to buying into one of the most succesful franchises.

From what I know purchasing a McDonalds franchise apart from the application process being rigiours is also extremely expensive. How does a McDonalds employee earning average wage after 5 to 8 years afford to purchase a franchise?

Kinetic^ · 29-01-2007 07:25PM

Juggle wrote:

I think you will find the lions share of the profits made get paid as fees back to the US, thats the price to pay to buying into one of the most succesful franchises.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/corp/franchise/purchasingYourFranchise.html

Collie D · 29-01-2007 07:58PM

Iago wrote:

While it may not be the first job that springs to mind, a career in McDonalds is something that could and should interest people who want to be successful in business and have an opportunity to be their own boss.

As well as learning the industry from within, always an advantage regardless of company, McDonalds have an extensive external training program and offer a genuine chance for you to be your own boss within a reasonable period of time, i.e. 5-8 years from first starting there. When I say boss I mean franchise owner as opposed to store or area manager which could be achieved in around 3 years if the candidate was the right one.

So in 3 years you could be earning €42K having had no experience, hell lets make it 6 years from the time you leave school, so when you're 23. Your other option is to go to college and do a degree for 4 years and then get a job in one of the areas mentioned below. At 23 you'll be lucky to have reached the mid-point of these salary scales, and even moving company you wouldn't jump through the range.

So fast forward another 3 years and you're well experienced in your chosen field, and you're earning the top of the ranges below. You're itching to get on so you go back to college at night and do another qualification or maybe just get lucky with an opportunity and get a big promotion. So your salary has increased to maybe €50 and if you're really exceptional, close to €60K. You're still working for somone else and your salary represents around .001% of the revenue you are bringing into the company you work for.

Meanwhile the guy who started in McDonalds now owns his own restaurant and is making plans for expansion of the franchise into some other area. He's working for himself and taking the lions share of the profits. More importantly if he was to decide to change role, he could take his pick of senior management roles in a number of industries, and as it turns out he's now your boss.

Food for thought

Salary Scales for Ireland 2006, first figure is the average starting wage, 2nd figure is the top 20% of people in that role.

Marketing : Brand/Product Manager 35 - 48K
Sales: Business Development Mgr 35 - 42K
Telecoms Sales: Business Account Manager 28 - 35K
Telecoms Marketing: Product Manager 38 - 50K
Banking: Treasury Accountant 40-50K
Human Resources: HR Officer 32-40K
Engineering IT: 2nd Line Support Engineer 22-35K
Engineering IT: Sr. Field Service Engineer 30-50K
IT: Software Tester (Unix) 25-45K
IT: Software Tester (Windows) 25-45K
IT: Web Developer 25-40K
IT: Database Developer (Oracle) 32-50K
Marketing: Market Analyst 28-40K
Marketing: Marketing Executive 25-38K

No I don't work for or own a McDonalds, although if I saved the money I'd spent there over the years I could probably afford one! There are many routes to success and fulfillment, and I think that Mcdonalds represents a great opportunity for any young person with a bit of drive and determination. It is only in ireland that McDonalds isn't staffed by the nationals of the country, and only in Ireland that there is such a stigma attached to doing any of the "menial" jobs.

It's particularily comical considering the mass unemployment and migrations of the 70-80s when our parents and their parents would have taken any job they could get. Everything is cyclical people, don't think these times will last forever.

Well said, man. A job is a job and Maccers do pay their management staff well and as you said if you have the drive you can hit the top in no time. I have worked their while in college and was offered the chance to go through management but it wasn't for me, I hated the place ;o) But wouldn't be so quick to look down my nose at someone who does.

panda100 · 29-01-2007 09:06PM

Iago wrote:

It is only in ireland that McDonalds isn't staffed by the nationals of the country, and only in Ireland that there is such a stigma attached to doing any of the "menial" jobs.

.

I dont think so. When I did J1, Mac Donalds was the one place Irish workers could be garunteed a job cos they were always looking for staff.
Its not just in Ireland that there is stigma to 'menial' jobs. If you go to the UK,Australia,Canada,Japan people will laugh at you if you say your a dustbin man or work for Maccy d's.

Terry · 29-01-2007 10:12PM

faceman wrote:

Thats a naive statement IMO. Do 100% of the profits in e.g. the irish frachise stay in the hands of the individual franchise owner in ireland. Just because the more serious issues are in the US, do we use that as an excuse?

(over 50% of mcdonald's revenues are from europe. Link here)

damn. there are 5,000 people working in a factory up the road and it's owned by americans.
I'm going to go up there tomorrow and tell all those people to stop working there because the bulk of the money goes back to america.
Damn those americans for coming over here and employing people. They have some nerve i tells ya.

Regarding working in McDonalds, I can think of worse jobs.
The sheer snobbery of some people amazes me. I hope to walk into a McDonalds in 5 years time, when the country in in the crapper again, and be served by one of the nay-sayers here.
What makes you think you are too good to work for McDonalds in any capacity?
get your head out of your arse.

Do you want a career with that?

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