Contaminated Cannabis

JC 2K3 · 17-01-2007 12:51AM

Ah sure the glass is there to cut your throat so the weed is absorbed faster... :rolleyes:

Yeah, they're assholes...

Savman · 17-01-2007 12:56AM

angelicious wrote:

Legalise it, regulate it, take the money from the criminals & put it back into the economy. Use the profits to run rehab programs for all drug addics, (alcohol & nicotine included!), put it into better public health care, put it to damn better use than lining the pockets of those who shouldn't have it. If it were regulated, almost zero chance of contamination. Plus, creation of jobs.

It's a plant, ffs. Put here naturally by the grace of god, why is it wrong to smoke it or use as a flavour enhancer in cooking? But mass manufactured, artifical goop such as that produced by the likes of McDonalds is ok. So what if their 'food' encourages obesity in children & adults alike, leading to an array of life threatening problems. Eat yourself to an early grave, that's perfectly fine. But dare intake a natural plant substance - lock the evil-doer up & throw away that key!!

That's pretty much my sentiments although I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than just legalising it right across the board. Or maybe it could be that simple, I dunno.

SOL · 17-01-2007 01:01AM

I don't think people realise exactly how bad this is, the glass is pretty much powder size whic means is will go straight into the lungs but it cannot be absorbed and so sits in them causing affects not dissimilar to asbestos...

Unlike the SiO2 which is plants normally which wont do that to your lungs, and no it doesn't melt either, or if it does your doing something wrong cause at thattemp you will destroy your THC...

I assume(don't know) that if you tried to dissolve hash crystals in any sort of solvent like ether or pure alchohol or somesuch that it would dissolve the glass however wouldn't. a simple test to show the difference?

17-01-2007 01:01AM

Savman wrote:

Or maybe it could be that simple, I dunno. cos i'm stoned......

Fixed your post for ya there Savman......:D

@ Angelicios........couldn't agree more. Asking for any of these politicians to have the brass to actually suggest something like this though is too much. Too many fatcats getting fatter and richer by just going with the flow and slapping each others backs.

Rb · 17-01-2007 01:07AM

Lets not have this turn to a debate over whether it should be legalized or not, its something that has been discussed time and time again on Boards and theres no need to veer this thread down that direction.

When in Holland, if you found out that the stores were selling contaminated weed, surely you could take legal action over it? Since its a legal drug over there. It'd be the same as a bad batch of beer over here, if someone (and their producers) were selling it then surely you could take action over it?

I know theres not a lot we can do about it over here, we've a choice of either growing it ourselves, smoking crappy soap or risking getting a contaminated batch of the good stuff. The only real thing we can do is refuse to buy weed until this is sorted out, but being the nation we are I very much doubt half the idiots in this country would bother. This could also have bad consequences, if people take the money they use to spend on weed and buy soap, demand on soap could shoot up and the suppliers here could stop bothering getting weed, thinking we're satisfied with that crap.

Its things like this that highlight the need for quality control, same with the odd bad E that floats around, the dodgy mushies which people who may or may not have a clue what they're looking for are picking in our mountains and selling to punters, not knowing whether they're selling proper mushies or the dodgy, dangerous wild mushrooms that can be found. Regulation of the soft drugs in this country would be a step in the right direction, but whether our Government will ever step in and go against a lot of the voters (though they seem to have no problem in doing so in other areas) I don't know.

Rb · 17-01-2007 01:28AM

SOL wrote:

I don't think people realise exactly how bad this is, the glass is pretty much powder size whic means is will go straight into the lungs but it cannot be absorbed and so sits in them causing affects not dissimilar to asbestos...

Unlike the SiO2 which is plants normally which wont do that to your lungs, and no it doesn't melt either, or if it does your doing something wrong cause at thattemp you will destroy your THC...

I assume(don't know) that if you tried to dissolve hash crystals in any sort of solvent like ether or pure alchohol or somesuch that it would dissolve the glass however wouldn't. a simple test to show the difference?

Thats an interesting idea, though I don't know how the crystals could be separated from the glass, without destroying the crystals in the process.

Melting the crystals is an idea, given that the glass particles would stay separate once its heated at a low temperature, but if said glass is a powder then surely it'd blend in?

Also, the weed/bud itself would have to be cleaned somehow. As plain an idea as it is, I wonder would holding a bud to a hair dryer blow the glass powder/shards from it.

17-01-2007 01:31AM

rb_ie wrote:

Its things like this that highlight the need for quality control, same with the odd bad E that floats around, the dodgy mushies which people who may or may not have a clue what they're looking for are picking in our mountains and selling to punters, not knowing whether they're selling proper mushies or the dodgy, dangerous wild mushrooms that can be found. Regulation of the soft drugs in this country would be a step in the right direction, but whether our Government will ever step in and go against a lot of the voters (though they seem to have no problem in doing so in other areas) I don't know.

Can't argue with a lot of that. My only issue is with E. Have, and will in the futre, gotten/get madoutofit a fair few times but it's not something that I'd like to see legalised. Just can't conceive of it being the same as weed. Agree with the shrooms points though. That hullabaloo*** over your man that killed himself was the biggest knee-jerk reaction I've ever witnessed. No mention of conducting proper studies on them, nobody suggesting that it might have been the mushies revealing an underlying, pre-existing condition. Just whip them off the shelves and ban them outright.

***I am in now way trivialising somebodies death. Nor am I trying to suggest that the mushrooms had no part in the unfortunate and tragic events that occurred on that day. I just think the hysteria/media outrage surrounding it was sickening. Parasites sensationalising the death of a young person to try and sell a few more copies of some rag is a lot more harmful to society than something that grows on cow sh!t.

angelicious · 17-01-2007 01:46AM

rb_ie wrote:

Its things like this that highlight the need for quality control, same with the odd bad E that floats around, the dodgy mushies which people who may or may not have a clue what they're looking for are picking in our mountains and selling to punters, not knowing whether they're selling proper mushies or the dodgy, dangerous wild mushrooms that can be found. Regulation of the soft drugs in this country would be a step in the right direction, but whether our Government will ever step in and go against a lot of the voters (though they seem to have no problem in doing so in other areas) I don't know.

I agree with you 100% which is why I brought up the legalisation issue. People are going to do drugs no mattter what, but if those drugs, (dare I say it, even heroin), were subject to regulation & rigorous control, they would be supplied in a safer environment & would be a helluva lot cleaner than the filthy crap being dished out by the dealers. The hierarchy care nothing for the health of their clients, only the health of their wallets.

Rb · 17-01-2007 01:50AM

Deleted User wrote:

Can't argue with a lot of that. My only issue is with E. Have, and will in the futre, gotten/get madoutofit a fair few times but it's not something that I'd like to see legalised. Just can't conceive of it being the same as weed. Agree with the shrooms points though. That hullabaloo*** over your man that killed himself was the biggest knee-jerk reaction I've ever witnessed. No mention of conducting proper studies on them, nobody suggesting that it might have been the mushies revealing an underlying, pre-existing condition. Just whip them off the shelves and ban them outright.

***I am in now way trivialising somebodies death. Nor am I trying to suggest that the mushrooms had no part in the unfortunate and tragic events that occurred on that day. I just think the hysteria/media outrage surrounding it was sickening. Parasites sensationalising the death of a young person to try and sell a few more copies of some rag is a lot more harmful to society than something that grows on cow sh!t.

The media latch onto anything that can be perceived as negative and point the finger at it, the parents in question don't help the matter either. Its not as though they're going to admit that the child had a shít childhood or something that could have caused it ,they're going to point the finger at whatever they can.
For example, those parents blaming the media lately for their child hanging himself after Saddams execution, or the parents/media blaming Marilyn Manson for their kids killing themselves/going on killing sprees, or GTA for some f*cked up kid going and blowing a few people away.

I'm not saying that the mushrooms didn't play their part in his death, but assuming that they're fully responsible is a bit iffy.

Pure MDMA is a relatively safe drug, except to those with heart conditions and once its used properly (iirc). The danger with E is that noone but the producer knows what kind of crap they've mixed in with it. The E that this country receives has a low amount of MDMA in it, while full of other crap/chemicals that producer stuck in it to make himself some more profit. If its quality was regulated I think it could be not only extremely profitable from a tax revenue point of view, but it would take a huge amount of the risk associated with taking it away. It wouldn't bother me either way if it was legalized or remained illegal, its a drug I've chosen not to do again, but since there is a massive amount of people in this country using it and who will continue to use it whether its legal or illegal, regulating the quality of it would be a step in the right direction.

I think a lot of cannabis users will underestimate the damage that these glass shards/powder can do to them. Thankfully its mostly soap thats available at the moment, but our markets could quickly become saturated with this shíte and the ignorant among us could happily buy it and fill their lungs full of glass powder. For personal reasons that I won't discuss on a public internet forum, I'm personally not too worried (and no, by that I don't mean I grow it myself to any Gardaí who could be reading).

Hopefully this won't become a wide spread problem, especially in Amsterdam as it would certainly be the cities downfall.

Since the producers/sellers of weed are the ones lacing the product with this glass, it must be a significant amount considering they're trying to change the actual weight of the weed...which is worrying.
That said, God only know what else is mixed into soap.

angelicious · 17-01-2007 02:12AM

I'm not too worried either, I haven't been smoking for ages. The main reason being that it's virtually impossible for me to get my paws on anything where I live! There is what seems to be a never ending drought going on......

I miss stonage

Rb · 17-01-2007 02:32AM

angelicious wrote:

I'm not too worried either, I haven't been smoking for ages. The main reason being that it's virtually impossible for me to get my paws on anything where I live! There is what seems to be a never ending drought going on......

I miss stonage

Yeah I've heard some places are experiencing a drought, haven't had a problem myself but apparently its been a particularly bad one. Better than a flood of glass filled weed for the moment I suppose!

brianthebard · 17-01-2007 02:41AM

So glad I stopped smoking at the start of the summer (not that I smoked that much in the first place :rolleyes: ) First the price goes up between a third and a half and now this ****! Hard times for the ordinary decent law abiding citizens, wha?:p

shane86 · 17-01-2007 11:01AM

angelicious wrote:

It's a plant, ffs. Put here naturally by the grace of god, why is it wrong to smoke it or use as a flavour enhancer in cooking? But mass manufactured, artifical goop such as that produced by the likes of McDonalds is ok. Eat yourself to an early grave, that's perfectly fine. But dare intake a natural plant substance - lock the evil-doer up & throw away that key!!

Cocaine and heroin are also derived every bit as much from "plants put here naturally by the grace of God". Doesnt mean we should make gear available down the pub does it.

biko · 17-01-2007 11:23AM

rb_ie wrote:

When in Holland, if you found out that the stores were selling contaminated weed, surely you could take legal action over it? Since its a legal drug over there.

No, it's not. It's just not a police priority.

Edit: In general, production, transport and processing of marijuana is illegal. Coffee shops having a proper permit are allowed to keep a minimal stockpile and are allowed to sell that to customers. How and where these coffee shops buy it and how they get it into the coffee shops is not regulated and hence illegal under the general rule (but as long as the coffee shops don't cause trouble selling, finding out how they are buying is not a police priority). People are allowed to keep a certain amount of marijuana for personal use, where more than X gram will be considered to be for commercial use. Consumption of drugs is permitted.

Rb · 17-01-2007 11:45AM

biko wrote:

No, it's not. It's just not a police priority.

Edit: In general, production, transport and processing of marijuana is illegal. Coffee shops having a proper permit are allowed to keep a minimal stockpile and are allowed to sell that to customers. How and where these coffee shops buy it and how they get it into the coffee shops is not regulated and hence illegal under the general rule (but as long as the coffee shops don't cause trouble selling, finding out how they are buying is not a police priority). People are allowed to keep a certain amount of marijuana for personal use, where more than X gram will be considered to be for commercial use. Consumption of drugs is permitted.

Ah, I see. Unfortunate.

But it certainly won't stop me going there

scojones · 17-01-2007 12:30PM

Hmm this is unfortunate. >_>

I'm all up for weed being legalised. If someone wants to start a discussion thread on this then feel free to. If you want to have this thread on AH that's your choice ( and probably not a wise one ). If it spirals out of control I will get rid of the thread, as I have done in the past.

I can see why weed being legalised and contaminated cannabis kind of over lap. If it was legalised, and produced properly then it would not be contaminated. I, for one, would rather give my hard earned to the government than some skanger on a street corner.

ChRoMe · 17-01-2007 12:51PM

shane86 wrote:

Cocaine and heroin are also derived every bit as much from "plants put here naturally by the grace of God". Doesnt mean we should make gear available down the pub does it.

Um not really. In order to make heroin or cocaine a fairlly complex artifical process is required.

Also weed isint legal in holland its de-criminalized. Its not the same thing.

I could never understand why growing isint more popular in Ireland. Ireland gets the worst of the worst weed wise and we have all the technology along with a light police presence. Maybe its the lack of experience. Anyone got any ideas?

scojones · 17-01-2007 01:02PM

ChRoMe wrote:

Um not really. In order to make heroin or cocaine a fairlly complex artifical process is required.

Also weed isint legal in holland its de-criminalized. Its not the same thing.

I could never understand why growing isint more popular in Ireland. Ireland gets the worst of the worst weed wise and we have all the technology along with a light police presence. Maybe its the lack of experience. Anyone got any ideas?

I know lots of people that grow it. I imagine none of the teenagers grow it because they live with Mammy and Daddy.

Naked Lepper · 17-01-2007 01:34PM

there are ways to recognise when its sand in the ganja
read up on the web and get educated before you put plants or drugs into your body

bluelight.ru

erowid.org

yahooka.com

drug ignorance is one thing that really gets under my skin

ntlbell · 17-01-2007 01:38PM

Naked Lepper wrote:

there are ways to recognise when its sand in the ganja
read up on the web and get educated before you put plants or drugs into your body

bluelight.ru

erowid.org

yahooka.com

drug ignorance is one thing that really gets under my skin

when you spend 10 or so years of your life putting wham bars and stinger bars into your body, it really doesn't make much difference what you do after that.

ntlbell · 17-01-2007 01:41PM

shane86 wrote:

Cocaine and heroin are also derived every bit as much from "plants put here naturally by the grace of God". Doesnt mean we should make gear available down the pub does it.

You mean make it MORE available?

ChRoMe · 17-01-2007 01:45PM

sjones wrote:

I know lots of people that grow it. I imagine none of the teenagers grow it because they live with Mammy and Daddy.

I'm wasnt saying that no body grows it. What I was saying was that I'm surprised that more people dont. For the amount of cannabis that Ireland consumes(which is a decent amount I recall reading that we were in the top 5 in europe) it seems a disproportionate amount of people dont grow.

I'm talking about people who easily have the means and money(about a thousand euro) to put together a decent grow room.

InFront · 17-01-2007 01:48PM

Naked Lepper wrote:

drug ignorance is one thing that really gets under my skin

I agree with NL on this. Have just seen this thread now, is it really something that should be encouraged? These threads have been closed before iirc. Cannabis is not a safe drug, and it is illegal.

Naked Lepper · 17-01-2007 01:52PM

ntlbell, i really dont understand your wham bar comment, was it supposed to be some sort of metaphor about prolonged drug use?

all i am saying is that if you are going to take chemicals or smoke plants etc, is that you should get educated on exactly what youre putting into your body before you do it

if you do so then you will learn moderation and the risks associated with it - you will also find out what good things come from drug use and what bad things come with it.

boards has never historically been a good place to speak about this due to a narrow minded attitude on this issue amongst the majority of members here so i will leave you will the links in my last message and get my coat

CiaranC · 17-01-2007 02:01PM

ChRoMe wrote:

I'm wasnt saying that no body grows it. What I was saying was that I'm surprised that more people dont. For the amount of cannabis that Ireland consumes(which is a decent amount I recall reading that we were in the top 5 in europe) it seems a disproportionate amount of people dont grow.

I'm talking about people who easily have the means and money(about a thousand euro) to put together a decent grow room.

Id say the vast amount of people in the largest catchment age range for cannabis use dont have their own homes, and if they do they live in apartments which they dont own and/or dont have the space.

nesf · 17-01-2007 02:09PM

InFront wrote:

I agree with NL on this. Have just seen this thread now, is it really something that should be encouraged? These threads have been closed before iirc. Cannabis is not a safe drug, and it is illegal.

We allow people to discuss drugs etc so long as people aren't stupid enough to start discussing how and where to get said drugs and start 'recruiting' people or discuss preparation etc. Apart from that, discussions are fine. Pretty much, once people use a bit of common sense it's fine but usually some idiot will come along and get these threads locked. Usually.

From a personal point of view, it's a bit silly to talk about it being a safe/unsafe drug. Most of what I put into my body isn't 'safe', that doesn't necessarily make it bad though. There are acceptable levels of risk for me and so long as I'm not directly affecting others it's my business as far as I'm concerned.

Rb · 17-01-2007 02:13PM

InFront wrote:

I agree with NL on this. Have just seen this thread now, is it really something that should be encouraged? These threads have been closed before iirc. Cannabis is not a safe drug, and it is illegal.

Doing, buying and selling drugs is illegal, talking about them isn't.

CiaranC wrote:

Id say the vast amount of people in the largest catchment age range for cannabis use dont have their own homes, and if they do they live in apartments which they dont own and/or dont have the space.

Aye, and then there'd also be quite a number of people who'd be worried about being caught, facing prosecution etc. It may be an unrealistic worry, considering very few will actually be caught, but some people are just paranoid like that.

Personally I don't grow it because I haven't had the cash spare to set it up properly and also, seeing as I'm living in the parents home, I wouldn't want to stink the house out with weed or jack up the electricity bill even further. Perhaps when I've my own place or am at least renting, I may sort something out, but for now I've no plans to.

ntlbell · 17-01-2007 02:17PM

Naked Lepper wrote:

ntlbell, i really dont understand your wham bar comment, was it supposed to be some sort of metaphor about prolonged drug use?

all i am saying is that if you are going to take chemicals or smoke plants etc, is that you should get educated on exactly what youre putting into your body before you do it

if you do so then you will learn moderation and the risks associated with it - you will also find out what good things come from drug use and what bad things come with it.

boards has never historically been a good place to speak about this due to a narrow minded attitude on this issue amongst the majority of members here so i will leave you will the links in my last message and get my coat

Maybe you're too young too remember wham bars.

Wham Bar

InFront · 17-01-2007 02:24PM

nesf wrote:

We allow people to discuss drugs etc so long as people aren't stupid enough to start discussing how and where to get said drugs and start 'recruiting' people or discuss preparation etc. Apart from that, discussions are fine.

This thread is about drug usage as far as I can see, people talking about what they use and one poster even expressing his opinions on how ecstasy can be a safe drug.
Also, you do not know what people are saying in PMs. From reading through this thread once I now have an idea of who uses what drugs. Rb_ie probably lives close enough to me in south dublin, what's to stop me approaching him? Is this a service you want boards to be providing?

The thread on Magic mushrooms was locked as soon as they became illegal in this country, furthermore threads on a so-called "drought", a topic that has come up here, have also been locked in the past.
I know this is a privately owned website, and there is moderator discretion of course, but isn't it a bit unreasonable to be having this conversations like this?

I'm not too worried either, I haven't been smoking for ages. The main reason being that it's virtually impossible for me to get my paws on anything where I live! There is what seems to be a never ending drought going on......

I miss stonage

Yeah I've heard some places are experiencing a drought, haven't had a problem myself but apparently its been a particularly bad one.

My only issue is with E. Have, and will in the futre, gotten/get madoutofit a fair few times

People are blatantly discussing their drug abuse here, how is this okay?

From a personal point of view, it's a bit silly to talk about it being a safe/unsafe drug.

It is absolutely not. It is not a matter of opinion, no matter what you think about it personally. Cannabis is not a safe drug. No medical study ever published worth its weight in printing paper has said otherwise. It is also illegal.

Can i start a thread here about types of prescriptive anaesthetics that I think are reasonably safe for me to use without getting them legally? Of course not. There is an assumption that cannabis is okay because it is safe and everybody uses it.
Everybody does not use it, it is not a safe drug.

thedavidphelan · 17-01-2007 02:50PM

The previous two comments have really annoyed me.The ignorance in the comments makes me angry against our status quo and not these people who made the comments.
Aniways one said i should know what I am putting into my body. I know exactly what I am putting into my body (Delta 9 tetra hyra cannibol) i know alot more about it then you or any goverment minister knows i know everything scientific there is to know about it so far. None of which i learnt or would learn of a forums website.
The other said we shouldnt be talking about it and its not a harmless drug. First of all regardless of legality or harm its very important to talk about it taboos are not constructive or helpful.
Secondly lots of people claim cancer is a result of using cannabis.YOU DONT HAVE TO SMOKE IT! Many people eat it and when you do that there are no negative physical health effects there are however negative mental effects for many who are depressed or otherwise mentally ill but it does not cause negative mental effects unless you overuse or abuse it. As with many legal substances or activies abuse is the problem not the occasional use.
Anyways we need to talk about this subject a forced ignorance will never work. Dont look here for info look at encyclopedias and scientific journals other objective sources.Discuss here
Use is not abuse

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