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Teacher guilty in Norwich porn case

  • 13-01-2007 10:38PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Binomate


    http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS01/701060312/1002/NEWS17
    NORWICH -- State Prosecutor David Smith said he wondered why Julie Amero didn't just pull the plug on her classroom computer.
    The six-person jury Friday may have been wondering the same thing when they convicted Amero, 40, of Windham of four counts of risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child. It took them less than two hours to decide the verdict. She faces a sentence of up to 40 years in prison.


    Oct. 19, 2004, while substituting for a seventh-grade language class at Kelly Middle School, Amero claimed she could not control the graphic images appearing in an endless cycle on her computer.
    "The pop-ups never went away," Amero testified. "They were continuous."
    The Web sites, which police proved were accessed while Amero was in the classroom, were seen by as many as 10 minor students. Several of the students testified during the three-day trial in Norwich Superior Court to seeing images of naked men and women.
    Computer expert W. Herbert Horner, testifying in Amero's defense, said he found spyware on the computer and an innocent hair styling Web site "that led to this pornographic loop that was out of control."
    "If you try to get out of it, you're trapped," Horner said.
    But Smith countered Horner's testimony with that of Norwich Police Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes investigator. On a projected image of the list of Web sites visited while Amero was working, Lounsbury pointed out several highlighted links.
    "You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."
    Among the sites Amero visited were meetlovers.com and femalesexual.com, along with others with more graphic names.
    Defense attorney John Cocheo moved for a mistrial shortly before closing arguments Friday, based on reports jurors had discussed the case while eating lunch at the Harp and Dragon. Each of the jurors denied the allegation under questioning by Judge Hillary Strackbein and the motion was denied.
    Cocheo, who said he was surprised by the verdict, especially with the "contradictory evidence," said he planned to appeal. Amero had no visible reaction to the verdict, though her family was obviously upset.
    Amero, because the charges are felonies, faces 40 years in prison at her March 2 sentencing. Her family, present in court for entire trial, declined comment about the verdict.
    Don't know if this has been posted already, but this seems a little excessive to me. I'd expect her to have been fired, but a 40 year jail sentence is a little too much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    40 years is waaaaay too long for this. Agreed she should loose her job, maybe do community service or something... well, something more severe, but not 40 years!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Binomate wrote:
    http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS01/701060312/1002/NEWS17
    Don't know if this has been posted already, but this seems a little excessive to me. I'd expect her to have been fired, but a 40 year jail sentence is a little too much.

    40 years in prison is an absolute joke for this kind of accident. There are people out there robbing people's mobile phones at syringe point who only get a slap on the wrist.

    Inconceivable!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Recon


    kill someone, a couple of years in jail, show to some porn "accidentally" (we don't know, maybe it was an accident!) 40 ****ing years??? A little excessive is right...


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Leslie Mysterious Goon


    Morons. Why don't they give that kind of jail sentence to people who actually deserve it.
    "You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."
    You know, some popups are designed to look like normal computer text popups, if you don't know what's going on you could click one, or click it accidentally by having less than good control of the mouse...
    come on, this is a complete joke. grrrr.

    It's not even like she had a load of pron files saved on the computer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    Recon wrote:
    kill someone, a couple of years in jail, show to some porn "accidentally" (we don't know, maybe it was an accident!) 40 ****ing years??? A little excessive is right...

    Convicted paedo's can get less.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    But she's only been convicted yet, she hasn't been sentanced. Lets not go jumping to conclusions and presuming she's already been handed down 40 years! The article says she will be sentanced on March 2nd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The fact she has been convicted for what is an obvious case of Spyware infection is so backward its unbelieveable. I work for an IT Security company and this is a common type of infection and one that can be very hard to clear from a system.

    The people responsible for this are the school Management who obviously did not have the infrastructure in place to deal with all the threats that are out there when you network PC's onto the internet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    Well in fairness, continued use of the computer in the classroom, knowing this material was on it, was inappropriate.
    I'm not saying this woman deserves a prison sentance, we're not even sure if she will get one, but she saud "the popups never went away", they "were continuous"... so day 1, pull the plug!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Inappropriate yes, does that warrant a criminal conviction, imho no. A awful lot of people tend to panic in situations like this and don't even think about pulling the plug.

    Also from reading the reports it appears the Jury made their mind up before all the evidence was heard. I would hope this gets turned over when she appeals, then again given she was convicted in the first place anything is possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    some joke tbh. up to 40 years :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭haunted-room


    Oh!, I remember about a year ago, my cousine was on the computer trying to buy some type of shampoo or something. And all of a sudden, there were a few porn type pop ups that came out of nowhere. That hadnt happened before and I was there showing her how to use the computer when it happened and she didnt click on anything....I dont remember what the name of the site was as it came up in a search
    Wonder if its the same site mentioned in the article...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    The school is at fault here for not have proper security measures on the network.

    Most school teachers wouldn't have a great deal of IT knowledge, but might know that it's bad to yank the plug out on a computer that is still running.

    I'd be surprised if stuff like doesn't happen all the time. My 10 year old Nephew has computer classes in Primary School and the teacher's input amounts to telling the kids to find something educational on the internet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Give her another 10 years, the durteh fecker!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    The school is at fault here for not have proper security measures on the network.

    Most school teachers wouldn't have a great deal of IT knowledge, but might know that it's bad to yank the plug out on a computer that is still running.

    I'd be surprised if stuff like doesn't happen all the time. My 10 year old Nephew has computer classes in Primary School and the teacher's input amounts to telling the kids to find something educational on the internet.
    I agree about the schools being at least partially responsible for not providing proper security on their computers, especially if the children have access to the computers some sort of nanny software should have been running to block pop-ups and access to certain websites.

    However, all she had to do was turn off the monitor. Simple as. Relatively innocent mistake though, if she gets 40 years for it it'll be an absolute disgrace. I very much doubt she intended on showing the kids pornography and spyware with porn pop-ups is a relatively common threat to unsecure PCs. Hopefully she'll get off the hook on this, it would be sad to see someone locked up for the best part of their lives because of this.

    Does she even deserve to lose her job over it?I don't really think so, maybe be moved to another school, but even losing your job for such a stupid thing is excessive, especially seeing as the school most certainly had its part to play in this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Everyone is missing the real issue here. Those bloody americans should have their own place names. I thought ths was in England.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    She'll never get 40 years, it'll be reduced drastically if she appeals!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭hiscan


    me too even so 40 years ffs





    i was replying to stekelly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    Norwich in America? Argh. I was wondering that felony jargon was about.

    If I were her I'd get my ass outta there and seek asylum in some safe democracy like Bahrain or Afghanistan or somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭Kur4mA


    Ok, I WAS going to say that my mind boggles at the thought of someone getting up to 40 years imprisonment for something that was clearly accidental and also the schools fault for not having any anti-spyware/popup software in place.

    But then I realised that this incident took place in America. Sure fúck it lads, give the dirty cow the death penalty. That'll learn her AND keep them kids safe from the evil pornography. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Judt


    I'd say this one is a shoe-in for an appeal.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    No surprise here, since when does america get their sentencing right? Should have given her the chair!


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Leslie Mysterious Goon


    On a blog, and a few other sites:
    The court actions of the case were flawed as well. For example, one source reports that the Trial Judge, Hillary Strackbein, "was seen falling asleep during proceedings and made comments to the jury that she wanted the case over by the end of the week. It was also reported that Judge Strackbein attempted to pressure the defense into an unwanted plea deal, in place of a trial. The defense attorney for Amero, moved for a mistrial shortly before closing arguments Friday, based on reports that jurors had discussed the case at a local restaurant."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭ArthurDent


    I agrre that a sentence of 40 years excessive, however - she was accessing material in school that was at the very least inappropriate and I would feel that she should be sacked and also charged - wtf was she doing looking at these sites on a computer accessible to school children in her charge

    But Smith countered Horner's testimony with that of Norwich Police Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes investigator. On a projected image of the list of Web sites visited while Amero was working, Lounsbury pointed out several highlighted links.
    "You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."
    Among the sites Amero visited were meetlovers.com and femalesexual.com, along with others with more graphic names.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Beelzebub


    faceman wrote:
    No surprise here, since when does america get their sentencing right? Should have given her the chair!

    It's death by lethal injection in the state of Connecticut.

    Executions since 1977: 0

    So it's highly unlikely that she'll be executed...:D

    But seriously...

    There is no justice in the U.S. - it's a country out of control...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Beelzebub


    Stekelly wrote:
    Everyone is missing the real issue here. Those bloody americans should have their own place names. I thought ths was in England.:)

    Me too!

    Now if they had called it New Norwich!


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Leslie Mysterious Goon


    ArthurDent wrote:
    But Smith countered Horner's testimony with that of Norwich Police Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes investigator. On a projected image of the list of Web sites visited while Amero was working, Lounsbury pointed out several highlighted links.
    "You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."
    Among the sites Amero visited were meetlovers.com and femalesexual.com, along with others with more graphic names.
    http://www.benedelman.org/news/062206-1.html


  • Posts: 36,733 CMod ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They hang them high in Bushyland.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you get a 40year jail sentence for looking at porn in public places then i'm pretty sure a few people I know would be in jail for the best part of an eternity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    If you get a 40year jail sentence for looking at porn in public places then i'm pretty sure a few people I know would be in jail for the best part of an eternity.
    In front of kids?!


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  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wouldn't be at all surprised TBH.


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