Player of the Season so far...

Guy:Incognito · 27-12-2006 12:48AM

ìn fairness, using viewer related data isnt a good way to make a pont, however true it may be. It's like haveing a player of the year poll that includes a Steven Gerrards that has only been on form for the last month.

Xavi6 · 27-12-2006 12:51AM

Bateman wrote:

Lol, Sky Sports viewers ratings are really going to clinch it for anyone on the fence.

Well in fairness not even the facts have clinched it for some people.

MrJoeSoap · 27-12-2006 12:52AM

Bateman wrote:

Lol, Sky Sports viewers ratings are really going to clinch it for anyone on the fence.

Well I've used my logic and it hasn't worked, maybe using the general publics opinion will do it (yeah right!)...

I'd say there are very few players whose figures would match that.

el rabitos · 27-12-2006 12:53AM

Scholes

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Stubborn isn't the word! Seriously el rabitos, what does the guy have to do? 10 goals for a winger is a sensational return.

Sky Sports viewers ratings, just for you El Rabitos!

vs Wigan - 9.0
vs Villa - 9.4
vs West Ham - 7.1
vs Man City - 8.8
vs Middlesboro - 8.4
vs Everton - 8.4
vs Chelsea - 8.0
vs Sheff Utd - 8.1
vs Blackburn - 9.0
vs Portsmouth - 8.7
vs Bolton - 7.5
vs Newcastle - 9.2
vs Reading - 8.7
vs Arsenal - 6.3
vs Tottenham - 7.6
vs Watford - 7.7
vs Charlton - 8.4
vs Fulham - 8.5

No, its tough to tell if you are being sarcastic here. PHB's post is far easier to judge...

if phb told me the sky was blue, i'd still have a look for myself.

the votes of skys viewers (the majority voting in those matches no doubt being man yoo fans) means very little to me personally.

sorry for coming across as a stubborn ass, and i do think the guy has bags of talent, he just produces such rubbish far too consistantly to merit a place in any "best of" group of players, other than maybe the "i'm good looking, put bums in seats and sell shirts brigade".

i'd only rate him above luis garcia because he's younger and plays more often

PHB · 27-12-2006 12:57AM

Scholes

The Sky is Blue

(Just to waste some of your time)
SteKelly, I pretty much just used the fantasy rankings to put in these players, I didn't include Ronaldo by mistake actually

MrJoeSoap · 27-12-2006 01:00AM

el rabitos wrote:

the votes of skys viewers (the majority voting in those matches no doubt being man yoo fans) means very little to me personally.

Doesn't mean a whole lot to me too, but I'm sure that he's the highest rated United player by some distance. And generally, the best player in the best team in the league would be there or thereabouts for the player of the season award.

sorry for coming across as a stubborn ass, and i do think the guy has bags of talent, he just produces such rubbish far too consistantly to merit a place in any "best of" group of players

How is he consistently reproducing rubbish though? He's been class almost all season ffs!

other than maybe the "i'm good looking, put bums in seats and sell shirts brigade".

I'd agree with that maybe last season or the one before, but he has now come into his own.

i'd only rate him above luis garcia because he's younger and plays more often

There is a hell of a lot more between the two than that.

Bateman · 27-12-2006 01:02AM

Saha

Has anyone got his pass completion ratio?

el rabitos · 27-12-2006 01:08AM

Scholes

MrJoeSoap wrote:

How is he consistently reproducing rubbish though? He's been class almost all season ffs!

thats where we dissagree

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I'd agree with that maybe last season or the one before, but he has now come into his own.

i agree he's in a league of his own, but in a completely different context

MrJoeSoap wrote:

There is a hell of a lot more between the two than that.

yes there is, luis garcia has been dire and got away with winning a few trophys

Raskolnikov · 27-12-2006 01:28AM

Fabregas

I think people on both sides of the argument have a point here to be honest. If you only watch Match of the Day or a highlights program, you'll see the best of Ronaldo's game. The bit highlights don't show however is the lack of tracking back, the wasted chances and the losing of possesion. Having said that though, he's an extremely attacking orientated winger, if he can either create or score a goal a game, then other players can compensate for him. If you try and change Ronaldo's game, then I would bet that his offensive abilities would suffer.

On the basis of this season, he's definitely one of England's top performers. He needs to start performing in the Champions League though, according to this http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/fo/profiles/19316.html he's got 1 goal in 19 CL games. That's one of the reason why I think Paul Scholes is a bigger player for United than Ronaldo. If he wants this world class tag that's constantly banded around, then he has to start delivering in the Champions League.

Bounty Hunter · 27-12-2006 03:03AM

Saha

Drogba himself quoted on this question:

"The voting is not down to me," the Ivorian international told Sky.

"But if I don't win the prize of best player in the Premiership it will be a great let down.

"This is not vanity but reality. I believe that, today, I am the best in the league."

my Personal shortlist is: Drogba, Essien (Chelsea) Ronaldo (Man utd) Gilberto (Arsenal) Kanu, Taylor (Pompey) G. Barry (Villa) Martins (Newcastle)

with a mention going to young players Gabriel Agbonlahor (Aston Villa) Fabergas (Arsenal)

evilhomer · 27-12-2006 03:20AM

Raskolnikov wrote:

I think people on both sides of the argument have a point here to be honest. If you only watch Match of the Day or a highlights program, you'll see the best of Ronaldo's game. The bit highlights don't show however is the lack of tracking back, the wasted chances and the losing of possesion.

Ever seen Ronaldinho? Trackback he doesn't know the meaning of the word!
You cannot compare an out and out attacker with a defensive midfielder for example.
As most managers would say, they know he is going to mess plenty of stuff up and give away possession, but probably only in the opponents half. For every 3/4 times he tries a trick and it doesn't come off there is one that will come off and that could win the match for you.

plus there is not a team in the world who wouldn't take him!

el rabitos: I just can't see your argument, not every player is box to box, Look at Eto'o, Ronaldo (Real Madrid), Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, they don't track back (or at least not enough to count as a regular occurance)

As an attacking midfielder Ronaldo's job is to score goals and setup goals, the statistics support that fact regardless of what else he does in between.

All quality forwards are judged on their statistics e.g. 1:2 goal ratio for a top striker and a 1:3 ratio for a top attacking midfielder would be the expected standard. He meets that standard and also throws in a few nice flicks and tricks to keep us entertained!

Player of the year so far IMO, just above Drogba, just!

Raskolnikov · 27-12-2006 11:21AM

Fabregas

evilhomer wrote:

Ever seen Ronaldinho? Trackback he doesn't know the meaning of the word!
You cannot compare an out and out attacker with a defensive midfielder for example.

Read what I wrote afterwards

"Having said that though, he's an extremely attacking orientated winger, if he can either create or score a goal a game, then other players can compensate for him. "

Also, it's all well and good for Ronaldo to smash a couple of goals past the likes of Wigan or Watford but the real benchmark for a world class player is the Champions League.

The Muppet · 27-12-2006 12:58PM

It's Ronaldo for me (the skinny one), His performances and attitude have been outstanding considering the problems he has had on and off the pitch over the past year. Losing his Dad, The abuse allegations and the world cup wink, he could have opted for teh easy way out and moved on but he chose to let his football do the talking and he now started to produce the end product that was the missing element in his game.

Drogba has been impressive too, who would have though he would be the one doing the business for Chelsea after shevchenkos arrival?

wheres me jumpa · 27-12-2006 01:37PM

Fabregas

Drogba and Ronaldo although different types of players they have their similarities. Both are hugely important to their teams. Both have handed in some massive performances. Both have prodcued moments of brilliance this season.

However both are capable of sheer lunacy with the ball too. Take the 3 chances Drogba had before he scored yesterday. One shot in particular stands out, he sprinted with the ball from the halfway line and then hit the most sublime toebog ive seen since primary schoolyard days.

So many times Ronaldo drives me crazy in this sense too. There are many players who hand in more complete performances week in, week out. Even so these two players are the reason there is a 13 point gap from 2nd to 3rd place and respect must be paid accordingly.

Attractive Nun · 27-12-2006 03:36PM

Saha

To further advance Ronaldo's case, re: tracking back. It should be quite clear to anyone with even the slightest knowlegde of football what Ronaldo's job is in this context. Ever notice how when United attack on the break it almost always goes through Ronaldo? Ever notice how Ronaldo is usually somewhere around the United penalty area when the opposition are attacking, he just doesn't challenge for the ball or pick up men? Ronaldo is United's paciest, most effective counter-attacker, but a poor defender. Ferguson's strategy is quite obviously for Ronaldo to be in a position to pick up the ball and break if United win possession. If all 11 players were back defending every attack, then there would be nothing to do if they won the ball back other than hoof possession back to the other team.

Ronaldo is told not to track back, his job is not to track back. I think people just have a very low tolerance for players like that and I don't know why. I know when I'm watching football I prefer to see Ronaldo get the ball than Carrick or Gary Neville. Judging by this thread, though, it seems most people are now appreciating Ronaldo more, which is good.

PHB · 27-12-2006 03:42PM

Scholes

Watch Ronaldinho week in week out, and you'll see he gives the ball away quite a bit too. It happens when you try things creativly, because sometimes they don't come off. This season for United though, most of the stuff ROnaldo has done has been pulled off.

herbieflowers · 27-12-2006 03:51PM

That's the thing about Ronaldo this season, more often than not his end product has come off...he's always had bags of potential but it was always the argument "too mnay tricks, never a good final ball, doesn't contribute enough" etc. This season (spurred on by generous Ingerland fans! Thanks lads!) he has realised that potential and the results speak for themselves!

Jivin Turkey · 27-12-2006 03:55PM

Saha

Ronaldo has really come into his own in recent weeks but how anyone could say that he has been more influential than Didier Drogba this year baffles me.

Everybody is using the amount of goals Ronaldo has scored as their rationale, but Drogba has scored more and in more crucial games.

Q.E.D.

herbieflowers · 27-12-2006 03:59PM

Yeah that's true. Before the start of this season, Chelski's attacking threat was apparently (and justifiably) going to come from Shevchenko. I think, more than anyone, Drogba has proved himself as a top class striker.

But it's interesting that both Ronaldo and Drogba had both been pretty much written off last season. I mean, who would've thought Drogba was going to be as prolific and spectacular this season judging from his performances last season? (not that he was especially poor last season, I just didn't think he had it in him to play so well this season)

PHB · 28-12-2006 05:41PM

Scholes

Absolutely Jivin, Drogba and Essien have been much more important and better players than Ronaldo this season, but while I think it is baffling to say that Drogba hasn't been better than Ronaldo, I think it's absurd to try and claim that Ronaldo isn't clearly in the top 4 players this season.

p.s. Ronaldo wasn't written off by any United fans

Soby · 28-12-2006 05:45PM

Saha

Its really just a battle between Ronaldo,Drogba and Essien if you ask me

homerjay2005 · 29-12-2006 01:19AM

rather that start a new thread, here is my team of the season so far. a few places like right back and left midfield were hard to choose, so i went with a different formation -

Van der sar
Richards Vidic Terry Evra
Fabregas Essien Scholes
Ronaldo Van Pierse
Drogba

Subs - James, Doyle,Gilberto,Carvalho, Kanu

herbieflowers · 29-12-2006 04:17PM

PHB wrote:

p.s. Ronaldo wasn't written off by any United fans

I think a certain amount of fans would have accepted whatever Real Madrid were reportedly offering in the summer tbh

Attractive Nun · 29-12-2006 04:45PM

Saha

homerjay2005 wrote:

rather that start a new thread, here is my team of the season so far. a few places like right back and left midfield were hard to choose, so i went with a different formation -

Van der sar
Richards Vidic Terry Evra
Fabregas Essien Scholes
Ronaldo Van Pierse
Drogba

Subs - James, Doyle,Gilberto,Carvalho, Kanu

Terry's a bit of a strange one, wouldn't regard him as having the best season. Might shove Carvalho in the starting XI and maybe Campbell on the bench. I think everyone thinks Evra's doing so well simply because he was so ****e last year, I think Ferguson's pretty keen to get Heinze back to his best. Gareth Barry's a left back, so I'd stick him in instead.

With a bit more tinkering, I'll go for this:

James

Richards Carvalho Vidic Barry
Fabregas Scholes Essien
Ronaldo Agbonlahor
Drogba

Subs - Jaaskelinan, Campbell, Gilberto, Kanu, Doyle

PHB · 29-12-2006 05:21PM

Scholes

Van der sar
Neville Vidic Carvalho [No left back has really stood out]
Fabregas Essien Scholes
Ronaldo
Drogba Berbatov

Peyton Manning · 02-01-2007 05:29AM

Van Der Sar
Richards Vidic Carragher Evra
Giggs Essien Scholes Ronaldo
Drogba Doyle

Nalz · 03-01-2007 11:07AM

Saha

James

Richards--Vidic--Cambell

--Giggs-Taylor-Essien-Scholes-Ronaldo--

Drogba

Doyle

Subs - Jaaskelinan, Ferdinand, Evra, Gilberto, Anelka

meditraitor · 03-01-2007 12:00PM

Saha

Its a toss up between Drogba and Essien so far, and as for the Ronaldo debate, I think Scoles and Gigs have had a bigger impact on United's run of form,

Honorable mention to Kevin Doyle.

event · 03-01-2007 12:40PM

PHB wrote:

Van der sar
Neville Vidic Carvalho [No left back has really stood out]
Fabregas Essien Scholes
Ronaldo
Drogba Berbatov

i wouldnt have berbatov, purely on the basis that he has yet to score a goal or create an assist away from WHL this season.

Player of the Season so far...

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