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Drink Driving - Going to AA?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,512 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Talliesin wrote:
    We don't have new modern alcohol that affects ones brain differently than it did in the old days.

    What you can't tell is if you're in the situation where you shouldn't be driving, but you might be okay legally.

    Huh! I dont understand what you're trying to say... He came up as zero, he had zero alcohol in his blood, he was fit to drive..... However because of previous incident, we werent sure whether he was under the limit.. The body metabolises alcohol at a different speed every time

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭ats


    fits wrote:
    He came up as zero, he had zero alcohol in his blood, he was fit to drive.....
    actually no the alcohol was still in the blood just not on his breath hence why its a breath test not a blood test. , food, coffee, cigerattes etc even a breath mint can have and effect on that, hell even how hard of softly you breath into the machine or if you stop your breath fro a fraction have been known to cause problems with readings. but in teh actual blood stream? it can take days for the body to clear it out. i
    fits wrote:
    However because of previous incident, we werent sure whether he was under the limit.. The body metabolises alcohol at a different speed every time
    it sure does and again depending on food content, fitness at teh time, age etc.

    the point of teh tests in the morning are a good idea. ok there will be teh case of a person that goes out has 3 - 4 pints heads home gets 4-5 hours kip and gets behind teh wheel and is in fairness not drunk but will be stopped and found to possibly be over teh limit. and yes in this case it is unfair for them to be jailed. but look at teh other side of it for a second, what about the bloke that has 5-6 pints and no sleep and no food and gets in the car at 7 am? would it be sfe to say the deserver being arrested? that is the reason behind teh breath testing early in teh morning, not to catch someone coming out of slatterys on teh way to teh office who needs one to get through the day but to cathe teh people that went on a bender and who may or may not have managed to get some sleep and a shower but are in no condition to be behind the wheel. it is a proven fact that people can still be over the limit the next day and hence why there is a clamp down during these hours.

    the fact that people may be over the limit at any time of day in any location is teh reasoning behind teh random breath tests. and to be honest i agree with it if it makes teh roads safer. that said I do believe if you are found to be over teh limit slightly the next day then possible blood tests etc to sho when teh alcohol was consumed should be used to clear said persons name.

    I had a friend in Germany years ago that was out on the rip. few hours after drinking he'd had food etc and semed fine got behind the wheel and did something stupid, got pulled over but passed the breath test. but the cop was sure he had him DUI (probably coz od his attirude or the smell) so took him to the station. 3 more breath tests past, my mate was smoking so the cop in charge said the smoke is effecting the tests have a blood test. mate tried to say he was a morman so to take blood was against his religion, so the cops asked him if he paid his religious tax (yes in Germany you had to pay a portion of your imcome based on your religion) so he changed his mind about how devoted he was to the morman church :D strangley enough he lost the right to dive for 6 months. and also lost his job because he lived outside teh town he worked in and there was no transportation at all, he lived in a rural community. now if lets say he had failed the test on the morning after then maybe a blood test could have proved this and saved his license and his job. turns out he decided they even though being told he couldn't drive didn't actually mean not drive and he got done 5 months into the ban DUI again. lost his license permenantly. and rightly so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭ats


    fits wrote:
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    OH just hopped into drivers seat without thinking and we drove 2 miles to village. There was a checkpoint, and we honestly didnt know whether or not he was under the limit, breathalyser came up as zero, but it could easily have been at the limit, its just so hard to tell these days! ...

    as a rule in anything if in doubt don't do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭dublinshane


    Faith wrote:

    That's a scary link - I could probably answer 4 or 5 yes's to that. They say if you answer 2 you probably are and answer 3 you almost certainly are. I think by that most people probably are. By that logic if you can't remember what you did last night and rang in sick because of a heavy night you're there.

    Anyway I did ring up and am going along to see what's it like - I told them straight up that I didn't think I was but I wanted to come along. I won't be going until after Christmas anyway.

    Don't know if anybody saw on the news last night but there was a thing about drink driving in New Mexico USA. Apparently drink drivers there have to pay to have some contraption fitted in their car that they have to blow into before they can start the engine. That seems to be a good way to go about things if people are caught here - you wouldn't be able to drive over the limit again but yet you still get on with things.

    For those of you who thing I should go back to jail for this - I hope I won't but know it's a possibility. I swore to myself that I wouldn't do anything to land me back there again - now I know I did wrong but nothing that people haven't done legally before. It just made me think about those figures that were on the news about the % of people who end up back there after getting out. It's not surprising if people who have been there before get sent back because they did something that 400 people a week are caught for but don't get sent to prison for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭bohsboy


    Once again I fear people are being duped by Shane. I never believed his "Mountjoy" story in the first place and now he's back for more.

    I work there and his version of being inside certainly did'nt seem believable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    bohsboy if you have an issue with a post use the report post fucntion ,
    unhelpful and off-topic posting will get you banned from this forum.
    Do take time to read the charter which contains the rules and abide by them.
    Have a nice day.
    Thaedydal


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Shane- while your solicitor may be advising you attend AA meetings as a sign to the judge that you acknowledge you have a problem with alcohol and are prepared to face your problem and work through them- instead of viewing this as a manner of reducing your potential sentence, a far better thought would be to take onboard what your solicitor is saying- and attending the AA meetings, but not as a manner of reducing your sentence- as a manner of bettering yourself.

    Rule of thumb- if you drink, regardless of how much or how little, do *not* drive...... Designated drivers get 3 soft drinks gratis in pubs this Christmas. You do *not* need to drink alcohol to enjoy yourself and have a good time. If you feel that you need alcohol in order to socialise and enjoy yourself- then you do most probably have a bad relationship with alcohol in your life.

    While you may feel that it was unfortunate that you were caught, and possibly others were not- the fact of the matter is you were drinking and driving, which is illegal and dangerous, and you should face up to the consequences of your actions- first and foremost to yourself, thereafter the social consequences of your actions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,904 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    ats wrote:
    I'm also talking about organised crime but thats for another thread, then idiots like you and shane that think its ok to be "a little bit over teh limit" would get what you deserver.
    Banned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭ats




    now I know I did wrong but nothing that people haven't done legally before. It just made me think about those figures that were on the news about the % of people who end up back there after getting out. It's not surprising if people who have been there before get sent back because they did something that 400 people a week are caught for but don't get sent to prison for.


    thats some statistic 400 DUI offences a week? and not one prosocution? me thinks the Garda commisionier might have something to answer for if even half that figure where correct.

    they didn't get sent down maybe because when stopped they didn't fail teh test or maybe they dont have any previous offences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,904 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    About 70% of such prosecutions are successful. Most result in driving bans and endorsements.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,392 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    It's not surprising if people who have been there before get sent back because they did something that 400 people a week are caught for but don't get sent to prison for.

    The other 400 people don't go to prison because they presumably do not have previous alcohol related convictions for violent assault. It's your history of alcohol related crime that will probably see you sent inside once again.

    Okay, without being judgemental, glad you are choosing to go to AA. I'd recommend that you go there with an open mind because while you seem to have come some way, you are still of the opinion that this is all unfair on you somehow. AA could actually help you and you may find yourself thinking it's the best decision you ever made, despite how you think now. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,904 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Shane, you might, in additon, consider another type of popular in the UK, where they teach drink drivers (and those with high penalty points) about the effects of alcohol. I don't have full details, but I can find them if you need them. It would cost a few hundred euros for a few days.


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