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Pilot training in Ireland.

  • 09-12-2006 12:37AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭


    Ok here goes, im in my last year of school and strongly thinking about doing a pilot training course, has anyone here have any experience or know anyone doing it? It costs €75000 or there abouts to do it in Waterford which is a lot of money but I think AIB has teamed up and are now offering loans to trainee pilots. Could someone give me a bit more information for a push start.
    Thanks in adavance.

    Darren:)


    P.S. Mod's feel free to move this as i didn't know a suitable place for this topic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    woah that's alot...

    Do you need any particular qualifications to do that, do ya know? A degree or anything?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Go to Italy....


    only costs €5000 there


    EDIT/ i was told that a while ago and put it in the most useless hings i need to know bin.... there ayh go not so useless..

    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Thats wrong! The cheapest in €65000 in south africa as far as i know, are you sure its not €50000?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    KdjaCL wrote:
    Go to Italy....


    only costs €5000 there


    EDIT/ i was told that a while ago and put it in the most useless hings i need to know bin.... there ayh go not so useless..

    kdjac
    Sold.

    1 pilot's licence please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭TempestSabre


    Do the medicals first. If you pass them then look at it. Also check out http://www.pprune.org forums. Tons of info over there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Join the Air Corps as a cadet and get trained for free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    I don't have 9 years!
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Have a look at these forums and see if you can find anything useful to help you along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭wba88


    KdjaCL wrote:
    Go to Italy....


    only costs €5000 there


    EDIT/ i was told that a while ago and put it in the most useless hings i need to know bin.... there ayh go not so useless..

    kdjac
    if true that would be the perfect example of rip-off ireland.
    i didnt think that a pilot course cost that much money:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    wba88 wrote:
    if true that would be the perfect example of rip-off ireland.
    i didnt think that a pilot course cost that much money:eek:
    €75000 more like!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭mloc


    It is an extremely expensive form of education. A friend of mine has his license and is now trying to get commerical training. The amount of money he has invested in learning to fly is enormous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭TempestSabre


    Slow coach wrote:
    Join the Air Corps as a cadet and get trained for free.

    You'd have a better chance of doing the lotto.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    mloc wrote:
    It is an extremely expensive form of education. A friend of mine has his license and is now trying to get commerical training. The amount of money he has invested in learning to fly is enormous.
    I think €75000 and 12-14 months you should have a full pilots liesence for commerial airlines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭TempestSabre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Just be aware that a Class One medical is rather...invasive :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    You'd have a better chance of doing the lotto.

    Hardly a fair comparison. Anybody can walk into a shop and buy a ticket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    sdonn_1 wrote:
    Just be aware that a Class One medical is rather...invasive :p
    whats this you speak of?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭TimTim


    I thought aer lingus had some sort of trainee school but google says thats a distant memory. But it did turn up this http://www.skoool.ie/skoool/parents.asp?id=3719

    Should answer some questions!

    Although personally before you leap into something like that I think you should start off smaller and get your private pilots license first! I already have one hour of flight time although winter is currently hindering further progress. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭TempestSabre


    Slow coach wrote:
    Hardly a fair comparison. Anybody can walk into a shop and buy a ticket.

    True LOL.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    thats a joke isnt it? on of the forums said it would cost the guts of 100g no matter what your qualifications are!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Whene you add all incidental expenses up, including an aircraft type rating, it costs about €100-120,000 for a frozen ATPL via the integrated method. You then have to be, borrow, or steal line time on your rated aircraft while earning a measly €20k as a junior FO (if you can even find a job - more piilots than jobs in Europe right now). You could elect to do your ATPL on a modular basis whiich at least allows you to work while paying for part time training.

    Whole thing could be done in 24-30 months part time, and probably for about €40,000 if you chose the right FTO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    MojoMaker wrote:
    Whole thing could be done in 24-30 months part time, and probably for about €40,000 if you chose the right FTO.

    As a Pilot (PPL) I can tell you right now all 40k will get you is a Multi engine, IR and Night Ratings. You will have to spend approx 100k to be a commercial Pilot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭dead air


    South Africa and Florida (to the best of my knowledge) are the places where you'll get best value for money to learn to fly for your commercial licence. My advice would be to book yourself an introductory flying lesson for after christmas and take the opportunity to talk to the instructor about how they went about learning to fly. It's good to talk to someone in the business to get an idea as to what ratings and licences you will need to fly commercially in this country (presuming you want to make a career out of it). They'll have a better idea as to how much it should cost and where are the best (or worst) places to go.

    All the best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    ned78 wrote:
    As a Pilot (PPL) I can tell you right now all 40k will get you is a Multi engine, IR and Night Ratings. You will have to spend approx 100k to be a commercial Pilot.

    You've got to shop around. I did hour building in France for €70ph. Worked out pretty cost effective. The individual courses themselves can be taken in Oxford, Jerez, or BGS for fairly little money once you have the hours behind you (compared to going integrated where you pay top whack for everything).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭damo


    I'm training with PTC waterford starting from January and i gotta say a couple of things about the 75k price tag:

    1/ It includes flights and accommodation to Florida where for the first 10 weeks of the course you spend training at the Flight Safety Academy (FSA) in Vero Beach. FSA is considered the finest FTO in America.

    2/ It includes your accommodation for your entire time spent (over a year) in Waterford.

    3/ It includes your headset(expensive) and training manuals

    Taking all these into consideration plus PTCs reputation for a high standard of flight instruction it is a competitive price.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭damo


    P.S

    The notion that you could get a JAA CPL for 5k anywhere in the world today is complete BS ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭il gatto


    I know two people who have become commercial pilots in the past few years. One guy financed his own training (expensive) and then spent a couple of years searching for a job. He eventually got in with some short haul carrier flying 50 seater TurboProps.
    The other guy trained with Aer Lingus, but after September 11, they told the trainees that, although they felt obliged to complete their training, that no jobs would be available on qualification. He ended up flying short haul BA 146's and the like around the far east, with a Vietnamese airline.
    Even though the guy who paid for his own training eventually found a job, the guy who went to Aer Lingus was told that during the application and interview process, it was best not to mention the dozen or so hours he spent in Cessnas and Pipers. Apparently, alot of airlines prefer a candidate fresh to flying, with no preconceptions, bad habits or big notions.
    Try it out, but if you go the airline route, keep quiet about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭cianr


    I just finished training recently with Flight Training Europe in Spain. Ive just been offered a job in the UK. Its a lot of money but its a good investment in the long term - check out the Pilots Job Network for an indication.


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