Fisticuffs.

6th · 13-11-2006 04:03PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

And Dragan, you need to ask yourself why you are a career doorman? either big and dumb with no other way to make money or you love the power trip.

kettle pot etc

Ok so you resort to insults ... is that because you cant punch him for pointing out that you could be considered a scumbag by many on here? Maybe getting some help to express yourself in another way is best?

Dragan · 13-11-2006 04:06PM

Mordeth wrote:

.. cup of tea

Ah mate I would love one!!!! Cheers!!!!

WhizzGDK wrote:

Im sure the money isnt good enough for the danger that goes with it.

let the man speak for himself

I was on close to 120euro a night at the end, which is very decent for 5 hours work I think?

Also sorry, as I forgot to address your point about the power trip? Now don't get me wrong, when you start first it is a bit of a buzz to be able to stop people on a door, especially if you start young as I did. That’s when the guys you are working with can shape you as a doorman and you either become a good one or a bad one.

On a door I am always polite and I refuse to enforce any garbage or illegal policies. I will not discriminate based on the clubs management favourite type of customer and I will not use violence unless there is no other way ( self defence for example ).

I find that these simply rules always meant the other doormen knew they could work with me, and my crowd liked me and got on very well with me. The power trip feeling is always there when you start….it's the guys who still have it after the first 4 weeks that you need to change….and it’s the guys who still have it after years that I do not work with.

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 04:06PM

so what would ye have done in my situation, bearing in mind i was full sure the guy outside the bar was gearing up to kick my ass for the laugh and in the other situation my girlfriend had just been sexually assaulted?

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 04:11PM

and i find it funny at the least to be given advice on passifism by a bouncer, regardless of the job descrpition ye are all thugs.

and to say im being defensive because i rebut being disagreed with is a cop out. I am defensive about being called a scumbag for sticking up for myself.
I appreciate some may think its over reacting, but i dont

Dragan · 13-11-2006 04:15PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

so what would ye have done in my situation, bearing in mind i was full sure the guy outside the bar was gearing up to kick my ass for the laugh and in the other situation my girlfriend had just been sexually assaulted?

In the first instance you obviously need to be very carefully, for 2 reasons!!! If some random punter see's you drop the guy, but he has not touched you and the cops end up getting involved they will say they saw you hit him. Without a witness to his thread he can say he did nothing to deserve, just thought you were someone he knew. This can leave you on the bad end of an assault charge, so I really would advise to be more careful in future.

The important thing is to stay calm, if he says he wants to kick you ass just say "look mate, I am not looking for any trouble, and imagine we all just want to enjoy our night, yeah?" this will normally calm people down, as they realise "man , I'm acting the fool"….if not, then you are well aware that he is primed to attack and keep an eye out for a blow, or for his hands going to his pockets. As already said, the important thing is to stay calm. If you show you are not worried it does a lot to upset his plan, as most people just want to intimidate, not actually attack. Just move to the left or right, or say very suddenly "****, my wallet" and move….a step or two will have you away from him and then your golden. All these things do work, I have used them myself both on the doors and when I'm out on the town. Dealing with a drunk person who thinks there Bruce Lee can be annoying, but if you do it right you get a great feeling as you dealt with the situation calmly and effectively and are not risking going to jail!!!

The girlfriend issue is tougher, I know you want to stand up for your girl but take you Q from her and how she reponds. If she says something to guy make yourself visible, let him know here fella is there and he's acting the fool. If you man gets heavier just send her off to find doorstaff while you talk to him! Don't hit him!!! Assault does not solve anything, and on cameras that ass grab might be missed but you striking the guy will be clear as day!!! Just keep him busy till the staff show up and they will warn him or put him out. Leave it to the staff.

Remember, one night out should not leave you living down an assualt charge and all the goes with it for the next 5 years!!!

Think clear and act clever.

Splinter · 13-11-2006 04:20PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

and i find it funny at the least to be given advice on passifism by a bouncer, regardless of the job descrpition ye are all thugs.

and to say im being defensive because i rebut being disagreed with is a cop out. I am defensive about being called a scumbag for sticking up for myself.
I appreciate some may think its over reacting, but i dont

thugs? i am not, nor will i ever be a bouncer/doorman but thats the biggest insult to throw at anyprofession. yes there is bad apples, as dragan has said himself (bad apples) but thugs? no not them all. i have seen many bouncers finish fights without throwing a punch.

as for sticking up for yourself? your girlfriend gets felt up and you react? that aint sticking up for yourself, thats reacting on animal instinct/aggression. get your stories straight in your own head mate please

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 04:30PM

sticking up for myself or my girlfriend are the same thing to me.

Fair enough points dragan, as to handle the situations. I will think diferently about them in the future,

although to be honest as soon as fear sets in the adrenaline flashes through me and i dont think at all.

Jimoslimos · 13-11-2006 04:30PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

and i find it funny at the least to be given advice on passifism by a bouncer, regardless of the job descrpition ye are all thugs.

and to say im being defensive because i rebut being disagreed with is a cop out. I am defensive about being called a scumbag for sticking up for myself.
I appreciate some may think its over reacting, but i dont

Ah shut the fcuk up. I've worked as a barman for a number of years and I was damn glad to have doormen around. Never got into any sort of fight and even on the occasions where things were getting a bit heated its was sorted out quickly and usually with the minimum of fuss. A sign of a good team of doormen to me is when there is little or no trouble to be "sorted" out, makes for a much nicer work/social environment.

Plus you fit the qualities of a scumbag - not only have you physically assaulted two people but one of those was with a potentially lethal weapon - also makes you a coward

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 04:34PM

splinter wrote:

thugs? i am not, nor will i ever be a bouncer/doorman but thats the biggest insult to throw at anyprofession. yes there is bad apples, as dragan has said himself (bad apples) but thugs? no not them all. i have seen many bouncers finish fights without throwing a punch.

as for sticking up for yourself? your girlfriend gets felt up and you react? that aint sticking up for yourself, thats reacting on animal instinct/aggression. get your stories straight in your own head mate please

I think you are just jumping on the band wagon here, and sticking up for my girlfriend or myself are the same thing.

Dragan · 13-11-2006 04:35PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

sticking up for myself or my girlfriend are the same thing to me.

Fair enough points dragan, as to handle the situations. I will think diferently about them in the future,

although to be honest as soon as fear sets in the adrenaline flashes through me and i dont think at all.

The first point I agree with you completely. I am quite protective of my girlfriend should I have one at the time, or my friends. I don't like to see them bullied or intimidated when trying to enjoy themselves, but I always resolve situations without violence. Only in the event of a friend being attacked will I step in and put down the attacker if I can.

For me if you can resolve future situations a little differently then this thread was worth having. You seem like a nice enough chap, and I would hate to think you mind end up on an assualt wrap because of something silly.

Also, maybe you now think that not all doormen are "thugs" and "dumb" and will give everyone a fair shake?

Finally, normally people only ever think those things due to bad experiences with doormen, so find a club and pub with a proper crew who you are happy with and frequent that place? Never go somewhere thay you feel the doormen might not be up to scratch. The cost of you ticket and pints are up a little bit to cover the door staff, and as you are affected by that you are entitled to a good crew who have the customers best interests at heart.

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 04:38PM

Jimoslimos wrote:

Plus you fit the qualities of a scumbag - not only have you physically assaulted two people but one of those was with a potentially lethal weapon - also makes you a coward

please list the qualities of a scumbag
i assaulted one out of self defence, and by law a threat is enough to act
the other out of principal

6th · 13-11-2006 04:41PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

although to be honest as soon as fear sets in the adrenaline flashes through me and i dont think at all.

Wow you must have been terrified making most of these posts!

As people have said yuou could face an assault charge ... but like someone else said a simple fall can kill someone. I'd rather have a blackeye than a life sentence.

WhizzGDK · 13-11-2006 05:01PM

equally you could be the one to die from a fall.

Zambia · 13-11-2006 05:17PM

Dear me ... sorry Whizz im with you on the strike first thing as I have no defensive skills and i think a fight starts as soon as some idiot says "Im gonna *** etc " . The law says different but thats my thinking.

However a bottle is just plain wrong , resort to them is a true sign of a scumbag though I dont think one incident makes you one.

I have been in several fights over the years. Some wise some un wise

My worst was I punched a junkie in the face floored him , and while feeling very positive on my successfull defense of myself. Was informed by the gardai on their arrival he was
1:) Known to them
2:) HIV Positive

As his mouth was open when I hit him I had a nice open wound from his teeth

After Six months of no s*x and several tests I declared ok ...

Some fights are unavoidable.. however if you can walk away , walk away

Thar said I commend any person that does what they can if they can to assist another . To many people have been kicked to death on the streets of Dublin in plain sight.

layke · 13-11-2006 05:44PM

Been a few school yard scuffles. Nothing major but a split lip or a bloody nose.

On the flip side, I used to do a lot of Karate/Kickboxing in 1999 at 17 years of age I came 3rd in the all Ireland U21 league.

Although that was the big one, I have been in many fights in my day.

Bob the Builder · 13-11-2006 06:13PM

Well when teenagers are growing up, they fight and thump for the craic of it, but it becomes a habit, and they end up fighting in fights where they'll simply get hammered...

maxi-twist · 13-11-2006 07:18PM

Dragan wrote:

A placebo effect i would imagine.

Kind of like me drinking water because it makes me hyper.

Ever taken NO explode before a night out?I sure havent,but ive seen the results....

GAA widow · 13-11-2006 07:42PM

Mordeth wrote:

people from 'the country' are generally grand to other people from 'the country', we're just not all that fond of dubs

i don't know about that....been to a couple of "country" nightclubs and more than once have seen two guys getting stuck into each other - then being swiftly backed up by friends from the same parish!

TBH i don't think fighting is particularly a city or country thing - i've no time for guys or girls who are the "fighting" type, how much more scoby can you get in fairness.

Dragan · 14-11-2006 12:11PM

maxi-twist wrote:

Ever taken NO explode before a night out?I sure havent,but ive seen the results....

Indeed, but No-Explode is far more the just a creatine drink, it also contains L-tyrosine and Taurine, lots of B vits and other goodies to get your focus on and your body humming.

I would suggest you simply tell your mates to study up on the supps they are taking, it's not the creatine giving them the buzz at all.

nacho libre · 16-11-2006 02:35PM

6th wrote:

Wow you must have been terrified making most of these posts!

As people have said yuou could face an assault charge ... but like someone else said a simple fall can kill someone. I'd rather have a blackeye than a life sentence.

yes but what if you strike first out of genuine fear that you could fall backwards and be seriously injured if he hits you first.

There are probably many people in jail for mansluaghter struck first for this reason. i have never had a black eye in my life- hope i'm not speaking too soon. If i was confronted with this situation i'd try to leg it, better be called a coward than be in jail or put someone in hospital. If i couldn't run, i'd try to reason with the person but if i sensed i was about to fail i'd kicked them as hard as i could in the shin and deliver a swift punch to the stomach.
Then hopefully that would give me time to run off.

Fisticuffs.

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