bebo in the dock

Piste · 27-10-2006 01:11AM

thebaz wrote:

is it not past your bed time or are you drunk?

I could honestly say the same to you.

And I'll have you know I have done the Junior Cert, I did very well in the Junior Cert, without people who have no business with my studies telling me on online forums to "keep studying for the Junior Cert"

I definitely think that the Girls Should be punished in some way, for their own good, like only being allowed to have net access at home in a room with their parents or something. Certainly not anything as ludicrous as you have suggested.

No-one is saying that the Rapists should go unreprimanded, they have no excuses, but most of us here do not feel that it was bebo's fault, and the blame largely rests on the shoulders of the girls for getting themselves in to that situation, and to some extent on the parents.

In future if you have any problem with what I'm saying you can address that and not my age, though I believe you have already been warned by Karoma about that.

Kthksdie.

thebaz · 27-10-2006 01:11AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Of course they deserve sympathy, and so does the girl herself. Tonnes of it.

What people are trying to say is that the blame lies more with the parents than it does with Bebo. Chances are that if Bebo didn't exist then the sick bastards who raped the girl would still be sick bastards who rape girls. If the parents were more responsible the girl probably wouldn't have been in the situation to be raped.

Probably sounds very harsh, especially so soon after the incident, but its how I see it.

I've already received a warning from a mod on this subject , so my last post before bed , is this :-
I think rape , particularly of 14 year old, is a horrible crime, and if someone raped my daughter i don't know how i would react -- not good -- i would suspect. And if people started to then blame me , i'd be prepared to do 20 years in the joy or whatever the going rate is. Some people in our society need protecting , and young teenage girls fall into that category. good night.

MrJoeSoap · 27-10-2006 01:13AM

thebaz wrote:

Some people in our society need protecting , and young teenage girls fall into that category.

Which is where the parents should surely come in?

Nighty night.

Blowfish · 27-10-2006 01:14AM

thebaz wrote:

Some people in our society need protecting , and young teenage girls fall into that category. good night.

Thats exactly the point everyone here is trying to make, its the parents job to protect them. Part of that job involves monitoring their usage of the internet, so that things like this don't happen.This unfortunately was evidently not done in this case.

Piste · 27-10-2006 01:14AM

thebaz wrote:

I think rape , particularly of 14 year old, is a horrible crime, and if someone raped my daughter i don't know how i would react -- not good -- i would suspect. And if people started to then blame me , i'd be prepared to do 20 years in the joy or whatever the going rate is. Some people in our society need protecting , and young teenage girls fall into that category. good night.

...that's almost exactly what we've been saying :P
apart from the doing 20 years in the 'joy for it, that's just silly.

thebaz · 27-10-2006 01:16AM

Piste wrote:

I definitely think that the Girls Should be punished in some way, for .

one final post --
i think the girls have suffered eneogh, without more punishment

Piste · 27-10-2006 01:25AM

I said punsihment for their own good, you see to have deliberately left that out of your quote. Rape most certainly is not for their own good, if their internet useage is restricted then there's less of a chance of this happening again, though they've probably learned from this time and hopefully wont go off with strangers from the internet again in the future.

Xavi6 · 27-10-2006 01:34AM

Piste wrote:

I said punsihment for their own good, you see to have deliberately left that out of your quote. Rape most certainly is not for their own good, if their internet useage is restricted then there's less of a chance of this happening again, though they've probably learned from this time and hopefully wont go off with strangers from the internet again in the future.

Agree with that totally. It's a sad state of affairs though when it takes a rape to make children aware of the dangers out there.

thebman · 27-10-2006 02:59AM

I think its ridiculous to blame bebo for it. I think they should have installed net nanny or similar programs and monitored their kids site viewing using history if possible. If the kids were deleting the history they should have sat down and asked why they did it and told them not to do it again and reset the settings.

There are a number of things the parents could have done. There is no way bebo can properly verify peoples ages who are using the site without really damaging their business by cutting off under 18's and demanding a credit card be used to verify identity or similar which could still be got around I'm sure.

You don't meet people you don't know or trust offline. I wouldn't meet someone online, offline unless I knew them or was meeting them for business reasons and I'm 22. I've had that attitude toward it since i was 14 or so and my parents never said a word to me about it.

Education is needed in schools about the consequences of meeting someone you only know online in the real world.

The Hill Billy · 27-10-2006 07:55AM

thebaz wrote:

Provide some kind of protection against older predators

I can't for the life of me think of how they could keep out pervy adults from a public site/service.

thebaz - What do you suggest that they do?

Slightly off topic - I think that The Evening Herald should be closed down. Bloody rag!

Dave! · 27-10-2006 08:12AM

thebaz wrote:

I've already received a warning from a mod on this subject , so my last post before bed , is this :-
I think rape , particularly of 14 year old, is a horrible crime, and if someone raped my daughter i don't know how i would react -- not good -- i would suspect. And if people started to then blame me , i'd be prepared to do 20 years in the joy or whatever the going rate is. Some people in our society need protecting , and young teenage girls fall into that category. good night.

Wow... I think we can end the discussion right here, cos thebaz has just won with that profound comment!

I'm sure we can all expect a post this morning, "I was really drunk/tired, I need to stay off t'internet when I'm in that state!!!"

Pepe LeFrits · 27-10-2006 08:19AM

thebaz wrote:

The girl was raped yesterday.
Her parents/ councellors will be consolling her today.

To the question -
"if it was your child that was raped how would you feal ?"

i get a cheap shot reply
"Somewhat guilty I'd imagine"

Why should the parents have any guilt ?

OK , all the mods will come together now , and protect there own , no doubt , so i'm snookered !

Are you paddy20 in disguise?

0ubliette · 27-10-2006 08:47AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

The Evening Herald is a rag. There are sick people in the world, and bebo did not create them.

It certainly didnt create them, but it did give them easier access to teenage girls...

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 27-10-2006 09:03AM

Im damn oppposed to the whole lot!

The Hill Billy · 27-10-2006 09:11AM

0ubliette wrote:

It certainly didnt create them, but it did give them easier access to teenage girls...

The same goes for the entire interweb, boards.ie included.

If children choose to use the net, the onus is on their parents to ensure that they use it in a responsibile & safe manner.

To be honest, I'd give my children access to the net & proper guidance on how to surf safe before I'd give them a copy of the Evening Herald.

thebaz · 27-10-2006 09:24AM

DaveMcG wrote:

Wow... I think we can end the discussion right here, cos thebaz has just won with that profound comment!

I'm sure we can all expect a post this morning, "I was really drunk/tired, I need to stay off t'internet when I'm in that state!!!"

no you won't -- my argument that Bebo should take some blame still holds true , and that the parents should be treated with sympathy not be blamed , i stand by 100%.
As stated Bebo provides a service , geared mainly at 12 - 15 year olds , so they need to be somewhta responsible to there users . The security for creating new accounts, bogus or real is pretty much non - existent . It would be very easy to implement a tighter security , based on school , password number , phone number or whatever . If they are smart eneogh to develop and promote bebo into one of the most popular websites , they should be smart eneogh to tighten security.
And finally , i got warned for "dubious" insulting , so please don't start insulting me , even though i'm big eneogh not to go running to big brother.

Stench Blossoms · 27-10-2006 09:41AM

I don't think that Bebo should be blamed. I feel sorry for the girls but agree with above posters in relation to the girls being punished ( ie. no internet access )

My little sister is on bebo, when I found out I went mad. We came to an agreement that she can keep it if I have the password and she's only allowed on it when im in the room beside her. I frequently delete people off her friends list that I don't know and monitor her comments/mail daily.

There's no way she'd be stupid enough to meet anyone off the internet but even still I wouldn't give anyone the opportunity to "corrupt" her.

thebaz · 27-10-2006 09:52AM

orla wrote:

I don't think that Bebo should be blamed. I feel sorry for the girls but agree with above posters in relation to the girls being punished ( ie. no internet access )

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As stated before , has she not being punished eneogh --
Do you think she will be running back to get on bebo , on her return from the hospital . compassion not sympathy is what is needed .And in this case i'm sure she has learnt her lesson , unfortunatly the extremly hard and brutal way .

JayRoc · 27-10-2006 10:33AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Which is where the parents should surely come in?

I've been saying for years that parenting standards nowadays seem to be on a slippery slope, and yeah, a bunch of 14 year-olds girls meeting someone off the web and allowing themselves to be plied with booze is downright stupid...but is stupidity a rape-able offence? Of course not.

And in all fairness, it's possible for someone to be a good parent and still have their kids pull the wool over their eyes occasionally.
I know I did it enough myself when I was that age, the usual, saying I was going to "X"'s house when "X" said he was going to mine,or whatever, and we'd head off somewhere we weren't supposed to. And I know my sister did some stupid stuff as a kid also; who here can say they didn't?.....but my folks were good parents, and much stricter than average...sometimes these things just happen.

I'm not saying whether the adults responsible for these girls should be held partly responsible for what happened or not, because I don't know the details.
But if my child was raped and someone automatically assumed the fault lay with me, I'd be outraged.

kittenkiller · 27-10-2006 10:34AM

thebaz wrote:

More control is needed on Bebo end , to stamp false impersonations, particularly for impressionable young girls.

Yes!
From now on the people who run Bebo require you to forward them a picture of yourself naked with a copy of your birthcert covering your parts in order to verify that you are indeed a 14 year old girl before they let you sign up!

bongo85 · 27-10-2006 10:40AM

I don't think it's bebo's fault. It could have happened in any chatroom, forum, etc. It's been said before but I'll say it again. Parents should take more of an interest in what their kids are up to on the internet in the first place.

Btw, did they get they arrest the men who did this or did they get away?? I presume they got arrested?

SpAcEd OuT · 27-10-2006 10:58AM

thebaz wrote:

one final post --
i think the girls have suffered eneogh, without more punishment

lol, love how you took her qoute way out of context to make you look right that was priceless.

Oh and claiming that people who disagreed with you on blaming bebo were saying to let the rapist go free and imprison the parents was another good one

do you work for the evenning Herald by any chance

Tar.Aldarion · 27-10-2006 11:07AM

Lol @ thebaz.
Your points show intelligence at towering heights.

It's not the gault of dear ole bebo.
Bebo is only 1, those 14 year olds were taking advantage of it!!!111

Nala · 27-10-2006 11:13AM

destraynor wrote:

The blame here lies with the kids lack of understanding about the real world. This has to come from the parents, and to a certain extent the schooling.

One of my nieces has "computers" on Fridays where they learn how to make flyers and write letters in Word. What they should be learning about is the internet, privacy, online interactions, all that sort of stuff.

Incidentally I do believe that Bebo should, by default, make the pages of under 18 yr olds private. When we were building Bigulo, it was the first oddity we noticed. Stories such as this one are precisely why we pulled all the under 18s from the database. We could see rags like the herald writing us up as accessories to crime and the like.

You made Bigulo??? Fair play, it's brilliant!!!

Look this issue is not Bebo's fault. They do more than enough, there are safety tips, you can keep your profile private etc. This is not the first and won't be the last time some idiot meets someone off the internet and gets attacked. It's the parents' responsibility to teach their kids not to talk to strangers.

Chucky the tree · 27-10-2006 11:30AM

orla wrote:

There's no way she'd be stupid enough to meet anyone off the internet but even still I wouldn't give anyone the opportunity to "corrupt" her.

We'll see.

thebaz · 27-10-2006 11:54AM

kittenkiller wrote:

Yes!
From now on the people who run Bebo require you to forward them a picture of yourself naked with a copy of your birthcert covering your parts in order to verify that you are indeed a 14 year old girl before they let you sign up!

So bebo should not adress tightening security ??
The attitude here simply amazes me , i.e blame anyone but bebo , blame the parents , blame the young girl , but under no circumstances should bebo look at themselves, and there security, we are talkin about one of the most popular web sites , not some mickey mouse operation .
I'm actually quite shocked by the attitude of the majority here , ah well at least i now get an idea of some of your values !

thebaz · 27-10-2006 11:59AM

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Lol @ thebaz.
Your points show intelligence at towering heights.

more cheap shots --- ha ha ha

Macker · 27-10-2006 12:16PM

daiixi wrote:

You are kidding me right? I did plenty of dumb things as a teenager (and young adult) without my parents knowing about it and the only person who can be blamed is me. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and in this case it's the girls who did something stupid.

Blameing young girls rape on their own actions is disgusting ,post reported

nesf · 27-10-2006 12:18PM

Cop on lads, the amount of **** being talked in this thread is unbelievable.

Macker, don't report things that you merely disagree with. There is a huge difference between "taking responsibility for one's actions" and blaming something on someone for an occurance. The former does not imply the latter's connotations of innocence on the part of the rapers etc.

gandalf · 27-10-2006 12:25PM

I think you have read too much into what daiixi has said Macker. I think she is correct to a degree that these girls were stupid and unfortunately paid a very heavy price. The world has changed and no matter what age you are you have to take precautions on what you do and who you meet.

Does anyone have the actual text of this article or a scan of it, I would like to read the details before commenting further.

bebo in the dock

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