Don't you just hate touting b*starts?!

Keedowah · 10-08-2006 01:00PM

While I think its wrong for people to buy up loads of tickets and sell them off for profit is wrong, if people are willing to pay for it, then thats their own business. I have passed up going to a bunch of concerts because I forgot to get tickets and wouldn't pay over the odds for them.

But people being villified for selling on extra tickets because someone dropped out of going to a gig, or if they cant go themselves is a bit rough. People here seem to think it fine if they sell it on for face value, but if they want to get a few bob from it they are spawns of satan.

10-08-2006 01:06PM

You remember when crisps price used to be on the bag?

Well there was a small shop near me, and it was 10p for a packet of meanies, and this is printed onto the bag! The shop put 12p stickers over it...

they were touts...

scum

Toast · 10-08-2006 01:18PM

Keedowah wrote:

but if they want to get a few bob from it they are spawns of satan.

As I said if you do this you are only helping the touts who buy up loads of tickets. If there was a steady stream of face value tickets coming onto the market from cancellations then the touts would have things a lot harder.

Dermington · 10-08-2006 01:27PM

gearoid_healy wrote:

They are greedy, robbing scum bags that prey off other peoples' needs. They see an opportunity to make p*ss easy money and they take it, cos they're probably capable of nothing else

They are greedy? How? They made an investment in a ticket and are selling for a profit... so your greedy for buying a house and renting it out?
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They are robbing scum bags? Who did the rob? Dont give me this crap about "robbing fans of a chance to go" and all that sh!te because you stated it in a literal sense. They have not robbed anything. Supply and demand on a first come, first served basis followed by price discrimination due to consumer indifference. Economics, its been around for a bit. This kind of thing happens every single day to everyone. Just because its blatantly obvious up there on ebay or buy and sell doesnt mean its an isolated thing. Its life.
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They prey off other peoples needs? going to a concert or whatever is a want not a need. there is a considerable difference. You describe them like drug dealers. If you reply to this by saying they are anyhing like drug dealers, which you probably will, then your an idiot. "Prey off other peoples needs"...jesus stop being so naive. Every single business in existence does that. The reason you pay for something is because you want what they have. Welcome to society you troll.
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I wanted to go to Pearl Jam. I bought 4 tickets. I am a life long fan as are my two friends. The fourth ticket I sold which paid for the other 3. Thats being smart by allowing myself more money to pay for the 80 euro beer at the concert, the bus/train there, accomodation etc. It's not my problem if you cant see that up there on your cross. Nobody is going to stop me goign to that gig, nor my two friends. If someone wants to pay more money for a ticket they couldnt get themselves for whatever reason then more power to them.
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f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

We don't encourage this kind of activity here. Consider yourself warned.

This goes to melekalikimaka also.

Since when do your morals affect what people can or cannot say?

You allow a thread call "hate touting b*starts" but because you do not like touting you warn someone for doing something which is perfectly legal...but is frowned opon by some people. Nothing either of those posters said, and indeed what I said in this post, constitutes anything illegal, it is on topic.

Well done :rolleyes:

Toast · 10-08-2006 01:53PM

Dermington wrote:

Nobody is going to stop me goign to that gig, nor my two friends. If someone wants to pay more money for a ticket they couldnt get themselves for whatever reason then more power to them.

The "Whatever reason" is that you bought it up to resell to cover your own expenses. This is circular! If everyone had your opinion you could have easily ended up paying the equivalent of 9 tickets to go. Who knows? In the future the only way to actually afford to get a ticket to a gig is going to be to tout other gigs. This is ridiculous but the logical conclusion of what you are saying.

Gordon · 10-08-2006 02:26PM

Dermington wrote:

Since when do your morals affect what people can or cannot say?

What was meant I think is that touts get sitebanned from boards. If we find a tout touting on boards then we'll siteban them. That means that boards on the whole doesn't like touts. And we definitely don't want to encourage them.

Dermington · 10-08-2006 02:30PM

The fact is I dont care.

I honestly do not mean that as a means of dismissing your arguement Toast.

Your point is very valid but I am content with my decision and I look forward to going to the gig as much as everyone else.

A lot of people, including the moderator it appears, frown opon what I have done. I have done nothing illegal and I stand by that.

For those of you that are going I hope you enjoy the gig.

honru · 10-08-2006 02:33PM

Dermington wrote:

If you reply to this by saying they are anyhing like drug dealers, which you probably will, then your an idiot.

Dermington wrote:

Welcome to society you troll.

Banned for flaming.

Dermington · 10-08-2006 02:33PM

Gordon wrote:

What was meant I think is that touts get sitebanned from boards. If we find a tout touting on boards then we'll siteban them. That means that boards on the whole doesn't like touts. And we definitely don't want to encourage them.

That is very different from what the other moderator said...

What your saying is that if I tout on boards I'm banned, and also that boards.ie as a whole does not condone touting.

However the other moderator warned two people for agreeing with touting. Slight disparity between what he/she said and what you think he said.

Prior Of Taize · 10-08-2006 02:46PM

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

Banned for flaming.

You were waiting to do this quite obviously.

Well I would like to refer to the offensive thread title to start with, regardless of how b*starts is spelled.

I would also like to refer to you warning two people who have done nothing wrong just because of your own convictions, indicating that you cannot effectively do your job.

I also refer to you saying I was flaming even though in the first instance my prediction was exactly where that user was going with his ridiculously hyperbolic arguement and in the second instance the user was intentionally exaggerating (a lot) just to bolster a weak arguement. Nothing in his post had any evidence of being true (thieving, robbing scumbags, preying on peoples needs ).

I like this website. I think it is run very efficiently and I have never had a problem with a decision any moderator has made for or against me. I would like to say that you f®eak s©enery have acted wholly unfairly for the entire duration of this post. the fact that another moderator had to come to your rescue by effectively saying you said the exact opposite of what you said shows that your acting completely opon your own convictions and not in the general interest of the site.

Yours sincerly,

Dermington/Prior Of Taize.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 10-08-2006 02:49PM

Nermal wrote:

..... they should sell them at auctions to the highest bidder...... then they would get all the profit that currently accrues to touts.

seanironmaiden wrote:

BOOoooo.... What a terrible Idea.

Ticketmaster don't seem to think so as they are already doing this (in the US). But then they would think that I guess.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-21-ticketmaster-auction_x.htm

Coming soon here I'd say. Bye bye tout, hello ToutMaster

honru · 10-08-2006 03:02PM

Multiple accounts... oh dear...

Dermington wrote:

Well I would like to refer to the offensive thread title to start with, regardless of how b*starts is spelled.

How is this offensive to you?

Dermington wrote:

I would also like to refer to you warning two people who have done nothing wrong just because of your own convictions, indicating that you cannot effectively do your job.

I am awaiting further clarification from admins/moderators on the discussion of touting for posters' personal gain. Stay tuned.

Dermington wrote:

I also refer to you saying I was flaming even though in the first instance my prediction was exactly where that user was going with his ridiculously hyperbolic arguement and in the second instance the user was intentionally exaggerating (a lot) just to bolster a weak arguement. Nothing in his post had any evidence of being true (thieving, robbing scumbags, preying on peoples needs ).

You can present an arguement without personal abuse. He may be bolstering a weak arguement in your eyes but that's no reason to flame the guy.

thebassman · 10-08-2006 03:29PM

Just after reading through the thread - I'm not getting involved in te flame debate, but the issue at hand - touting. I'm in my 30s now and remember going to gigs as far back in distant time as the mid and late 80s, and there were touts then as well. It's a supply-and-demand issue, although I think the whole touting issue is far more prevalent since the appearance of Ticketmaster. Now, I'm not putting any blame on them, but touting didn't seem as bad back in the good old days when bands were responsible for selling their (may I say well designed and non-standard TM-esque type) own tickets.

Myself, I remember queueing up for U2 tickets outside the Point in October, 1989, and there were people with their year old kids (oh my God, there's aa few of you probably reading this now!! I feel old!!) with their "guaranteed ticket" wristbands, who were obviously not going to be seeing U2 that December. On saying that, I don't recollect them being touted for over priced rates.

Maybe it's the power taken out of the hands of the bands and into the hands of ticketmaster. I don't know. I mean, the tickets have gone incredibly expensive as it is buying them legit (£16 was the cost of a U2 ticket in 1989, and even giving iflation etc, €70 a ticket for the last time they played seems a bit high - and that's relatively inexpensive for a few of the gigs I've seen advertised!!).

Actually, take U2 as an example - if they played more gigs, like they did when they played four (originally five before Bono got sick and cancelled one) in a row that year, almost guatanyeeing that genuine fans got to see the band without playing stupid (legit or touted) prices for them.

Vexorg · 10-08-2006 06:29PM

Lest here be any misunderstanding

Dermington/Prior Of Taize has been site banned for having multiple accounts, nearly as bad as touting:)

If anyone is interested Boards.ie owners view on Profiteering is pretty well covered here http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Adverts_Rules#Profiteering. If this is something you fancy doing, you will not be welcome on boards.

In addition to this encouraging touts is also a bannable offence. Ie offering to pay more than face value (plus costs) for a ticket.

There is no issue with discussing touting, however like many discussions, it can degenerate into trolling and flaming very easily, making the ability to discuss the topic very difficult and result in warnings, bans and closure of the thread.

Try and not make these things personal.

Thx

Vex.

SBob · 11-08-2006 09:48AM

I missed the sufjan stevens sale (was busy at work for weeks and not in the loop, my ticketmaster alert that mentioned Sufjan for the first time came at 5 on the sale day, about 4 hours too late)
This is a concert i did not want to miss, so i bought two on ebay for double the price. To be honest, i'm not sure where i stand on it but thank f#ck for that tout is all i can say.
For antony and the johnsons last year i tried for ages to get one at face value in places like boards.ie and then went down to vicar st that evening to see could i get one at all, but there was nothing going. I was going to avoid that at all costs for Sufjan, and 55 euro is well well worth it.

Thebassman: I think U2 did everything they could so that all fans could see them: they played three gigs at 80,000 people a gig!! touts were giving tickets away!!

BOHS · 11-08-2006 12:37PM

Im just wondering what peoples views are on buying a couple of tickets to then auction off on ebay for charity. I was thinking of doing this as it seems like it could raise money.

Toast · 11-08-2006 01:01PM

A raffle would make far more sense.

eth0_ · 11-08-2006 01:02PM

LundiMardi wrote:

why didn't you just buy tickets when they went onsale, then you would have no reason to complain. It's because of people like you that touts exist.

Yes, at the end of the day, it's mostly the real fans who get their tickets before they sell out. I'm not justifying touting, but if you were a real fan you'd make if your business to get a ticket from the normal channels when they go on sale.

Toast · 11-08-2006 01:21PM

Yes but when there are more and more touts in the equation theres no guarantee that you'll get tickets anymore. I was up for 9 and missed tickets to Flaming Lips this morning. They appear to have gone in about 2 minutes. Fortunately a second date was put on.

In the states big name gigs regularly sell out in a couple of minutes because of the huge touting issue there. Its starting to happen here and thats what worries me. What I said earlier about inevitably everyone will become a tout to just be able to buy tickets off touts is not too far in the future.

SBob · 11-08-2006 03:48PM

its way too easy to be a tout now with ebay and everything, for gigs like this you're talking 150-200% profit for doing nothing.
Its hard to resist

WithCheesePlease · 11-08-2006 04:50PM

eth0_ wrote:

Yes, at the end of the day, it's mostly the real fans who get their tickets before they sell out. I'm not justifying touting, but if you were a real fan you'd make if your business to get a ticket from the normal channels when they go on sale.

I was in South America last year when tickets for Jack Johnson went on sale. I had arranged for my brother to get tickets for me but he was too slow and they sold out. It was only that the gig was stwitched to the point that I got to go.

But yes I would have paid over the odds when I got back to get a ticket. And I'm not saying it was because of touts that the gig sold out either. All I'm saying is that I just wish that that kind of thing didn't happen is all. I know that's life and simple ecconomics and everything else - I just wish it wasn't the case.

bandy · 14-08-2006 03:25PM

from efestivals...

touts getting scalped
fancy a festival on the cheap?
Thu 10th Aug 06

Getting one over on the touts has never been quite as easy as this. Prices for festival tickets on the online auction site ebay have dropped well below face value.

At the time of writing, tickets on ebay for the sold out V festival are going for just over half the amount of face value – and similarly tickets for the Carling Weekend: Reading and Leeds Festivals are also available with huge discounts.

It makes us wonder if all the fuss about touting is just a storm in a teacup? With tickets now being bought for less than face value, the touts are actually losing money.

So why not get one over on the touts by taking a ticket off their hands for less than face value and enjoy a festival on the cheap?

published: 10:33 (GMT)

Toast · 14-08-2006 03:44PM

This happens occasionaly and the problem is they could be fakes.

14-08-2006 03:45PM

Its all about supply and demand, once too many touts buy too many tickets, then there's more sellers than buyers.

if people try to buy them in drips and drops from the touts, they can keep the price down very low.

this was very prominent at REM in Ardigallen last year, touts obviously hadn't reckoned on so little people turning up without tickets and so many touts with them. I saw 3 people buying tickets for €20-€30 (they were €60 when on sale).

I couldn't help but laugh.

Caco · 15-08-2006 08:16PM

I sniped a ticket for Pearl Jam on eBay for €72 the week before last- couldnt believe how low I got it!
What annoys me abut eBay is the n00bs who offer ridiculous prices for stuff (usually tickets) days before the auction ends- drives the prices way up. I'd much rather sniping!
Though people probably think if they offer a high price early on nobody else will bid!

SBob · 16-08-2006 09:32AM

Ya i saw there was a bidding war on flaming lips tickets a few days ago, 2 or 3 bidders outdoing each other until the last i saw tickets were up to 100 quid each. The thing was there was still 5 days to go!!
Drives me mad in general on ebay when i see that.. unless i'm selling of course.

Caco · 16-08-2006 09:42AM

SBob wrote:

Drives me mad in general on ebay when i see that.. unless i'm selling of course.

Ha, yeah it must be great fun for the sellers watching the price climb rapidly! (especially the touts- f**kers!)

Don't you just hate touting b*starts?!

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