Union Jack on Dublin quays

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ · 24-07-2006 10:54AM

BrookieD wrote:

Its a Union Flag, it's not a Union Jack untill it goes to sea ;-)

that's only one popular theory...

The issue of whether it is acceptable to use the term "Union Jack" is one that causes considerable controversy. Although it is often asserted that "Union Jack" should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship), it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag; other explanations have been put forward [1]. The term possibly dates from the early 1700s, but its origin is uncertain. The word Jack may have come from the name of the James VI, King of Scots who inherited the English crown, causing the flag to be designed, that is Jac from Jacobus, Latin for James. The size and power of the British Navy internationally at the time could also explain why the flag was nicknamed the "Union Jack" considering the navy was so widely utilized and reknowned by the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries it is possible that the term "Jack" did occur due to its regular usage on all British ships using the "Jack Staff" (a flag pole attatched to a ship on the bow). Even if the term "Union Jack" does derive from the jack flag (as perhaps seems most likely), after three centuries, it is now sanctioned by usage, has appeared in official usage, and remains the popular term. The BBC website disregards the term "union flag" because of its "great potential for confusion", preferring union jack (in lower case)[2] The term "Union Flag", on the other hand, is the term preferred in official documents by vexillologists. The Merchant Shipping Act[3] refers to the national colours of the United Kingdom as "the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack)".

Ponster · 24-07-2006 12:19PM

Cool. I didn't know that (I've always called it the Union Flag unless it was actually hoisted on a jack.)

luckat · 24-07-2006 02:58PM

Interesting, \m/!

Nobody's found it yet!

Hint: think of money.

goods · 24-07-2006 03:03PM

does anybody really care ?

solskjaer20 · 24-07-2006 03:56PM

*Reminds me off the time about nine years ago when I seen the RUC standing on each other's shoulders burning a tri-colour at the end of the road and then trying to replace it with a jack*.

Their car was promptly burned out and not quite sure how they managed to get away themselves.

Lump · 24-07-2006 08:51PM

Ulster Bank?

Central Bank?

AIB Bank?

A Bank?

luckat · 25-07-2006 12:08AM

Getting warmer!

To win, though, you're going to have to name it and describe it!

Sangre · 25-07-2006 12:17AM

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

People fly all kinds of national flags in the States, but mostly USA. Especially around university with students from all over the world. So what's the big deal? It's not like they are laying claim to USA or Irish soil.:rolleyes:

Not only that, know some girls that wear flags on the seat of their pants.

Heaven forbid people don't want a flag flying from the country that colonised Ireland for 700 years.

InFront · 25-07-2006 01:10AM

Maybe I had a doctors appointment the day we learned about this in school, but wasnt it the Normans who came to ireland in 1169? I thought the British administration themselves didnt come until the plantations. Isnt 700/ 800 years colonisation by British people a bit untrue?

Anyways back OT, is this indoors or outdoors?

luckat · 25-07-2006 06:53AM

Outdoors, and it's not a cloth flag.

zoro · 25-07-2006 08:07AM

Sangre wrote:

Heaven forbid people don't want a flag flying from the country that colonised Ireland for 700 years.

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not .... :rolleyes:

Hagar · 25-07-2006 08:57AM

I think it's a stone carving on the Customs House.

robinph · 25-07-2006 09:01AM

InFront wrote:

Maybe I had a doctors appointment the day we learned about this in school, but wasnt it the Normans who came to ireland in 1169? I thought the British administration themselves didnt come until the plantations. Isnt 700/ 800 years colonisation by British people a bit untrue?

Anyways back OT, is this indoors or outdoors?

If it was the Normans, then they probably didn't take the boat straight across from France and must have had a bit of a trek across England first on their way over to start their oppressing, therefore they were English.

Lump · 25-07-2006 10:24AM

luckat wrote:

Getting warmer!

To win, though, you're going to have to name it and describe it!

How about I don't.

Hagar · 25-07-2006 10:24AM

Perhaps it's laid out in stone/marble on the ground.

luckat · 25-07-2006 12:22PM

Hagar, it's not the Custom House one I'm looking for. This one is modern.

Hint: it's in lights.

lostexpectation · 25-07-2006 12:27PM

is there some musical going on at the mo at the point with a flag in the sign?

luckat · 25-07-2006 01:07PM

Not there, Lost.

Collie D · 25-07-2006 01:16PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes E.T.A also used buy celtic supporters! Also one in green white and gold in a union jack

It's actually the Basque flag and true, ETA are Basque but that would be like somebody calling our tricolour an IRA flag

luckat · 25-07-2006 11:32PM

Hint: Not far from the Custom House, though, and you see it better at night.

J.R.HARTLEY · 25-07-2006 11:41PM

it's never the lights on the top of the ulster bank building opposite the customs house at matt talbot bridge is it, the way they have the roof done on different levels?

luckat · 26-07-2006 08:30AM

Yay, Hartley, you got it! PM me with your address and I'll send you your prize!

Lump · 26-07-2006 08:59AM

Didn't I say ulster bank ages ago ?

luckat · 26-07-2006 09:21AM

Did you, Lump? Sorry! I missed it if you did. PM me your address too!

raheny red · 26-07-2006 10:54AM

Lump wrote:

Didn't I say ulster bank ages ago ?

So did I actually when I think of it!

Lump · 26-07-2006 11:00AM

Lump wrote:

Ulster Bank?

Central Bank?

AIB Bank?

A Bank?

It's ok, I'll do without the wonderful prize. I live in england, so it'd be too much expense, also I don't like giving my address to random people on message boards. Thanks for the thought though.

luckat · 27-07-2006 11:59AM

Damn, my cunning plan to find people to stalk has failed. Oh well.

Pal · 27-07-2006 01:07PM

I take it your 'Union Jack' is the Royal Bank of Scotland logo ?

the same one that Ulster Bank has just adopted.

luckat · 27-07-2006 02:02PM

That's it exactly, Pal.

LovelyHurling · 27-07-2006 02:08PM

Lump wrote:

It's ok, I'll do without the wonderful prize. I live in england, so it'd be too much expense, also I don't like giving my address to random people on message boards. Thanks for the thought though.

Thats what that guy Lemlin should have said (off topic)

I was going to say the Presbyterian Church up from the halfpenny bridge Although that flag is (or was) indoors. Or else that shop the sells foreign books/ airline tickets? etc. near o connell street.

Union Jack on Dublin quays

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