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Clamped because the parking meter was out of order - what to do?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 em


    Ah, and what about all the information in the ticket? Are they useless? It seems so, once nobody read them!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    If the ticket machine was making errors, you will not be the only one affected. Its log will show it took in way more money than it printed ticket time for.

    Take your ticket and your receipt for the clampers to the City Council and arrange a refund.

    Have you contacted them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,270 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    www.dublincitycouncil.ie

    Information on Parking Meters #37138
    If a Pay & Display machine is out of order, motorists must go to another machine in the same tariff zone or a higher tariff zone to pay the appropriate fee and prevent your vehicle from being clamped.

    If this is not possible or there are no machines working in the area please telephone the Parking Enforcement Section on 01 222 2218 from the Pay & Display Machine (this number is displayed on the Pay & Display machine).

    If you are paying by mobile phone and are experiencing difficulties, please contact MPark on 1890 882 600.
    This is a typically lazy Irish attitude to things. Rather than ensure the machine is working, let's instead make the motorist (who as em points out, has better things to be doing too) run around looking for another machine - or perhaps pay MORE (as they know few people will bother to claim back the difference - hence why Dublin Bus always has lots in unclaimed change at the end of the year).

    Just because something is the way it is, doesn't make it right, or mean that it shouldn't be changed. I'm completely with the OP/em on this one. They went with the intention of paying but were unable to do so either because the machine was out of order or not working correctly. It's not their fault, it's the fault of DCC and their maintenance staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 em


    Kaiser2000 wrote:
    ...
    Just because something is the way it is, doesn't make it right, or mean that it shouldn't be changed.
    ... and we have to make complains about these things!

    Do you guys know what could be a good media for that? I intend to send a a letter to The Irish Times and Irish Independent... anywhere else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,731 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    em wrote:
    Now what if after sticking 7,30 euros in a pay-and-display machine expecting to have near 3 hours of parking, the display machine spit a mere 5 minutes ticket? Is it a valid ticket? I guess so...
    Do you want to give us some context?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭el tel


    The whole parking meter thing annoys the f@ck out of me. We already pay a shiit load of road tax to drive on the public roads so it´s a bloody disgrace that we should have to pay again to park on the same public roads.

    Last time I parked where the meter wasn´t working (Ranelagh, Sat a.m.) I took a picture of the machine to prove it was out of order. IN any case, nothing happened so I was ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,731 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    el tel wrote:
    The whole parking meter thing annoys the f@ck out of me. We already pay a shiit load of road tax to drive on the public roads so it´s a bloody disgrace that we should have to pay again to park on the same public roads.
    There is no such thing as road tax ......

    Anything in demand (parking in this case) needs a price attached to it, otherwise it will simply be abused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭dubtom


    I'm not 100% but isn't there a time limit on how long a car will be clamped for, I mean, left for x amount of time and then removed. I wouldn't leave your car too long OP, it's a lot more than 80 quid to get it removed from the pound.
    Just pay the money and appeal I'd say,it could be cheaper in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Victor wrote:
    There is no such thing as road tax ......

    Anything in demand (parking in this case) needs a price attached to it, otherwise it will simply be abused.


    How about scotland , there your motor tax covers all parking.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Mayshine


    You obviously have not been to Glasgow mate


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭MercMad


    Hold on a sec.................I thought em siad "What if " you put moneyt in and it spat out a ticket with the incorrect time on it......blah blah...........

    ................did this actually happen ?? Is this how you got clamped ?

    Without reading back again I thought that this was speculation and hadn't happened.

    Now the fact is that in this Country everyoine is suppossed to make themselves aware of the Law. It up to folk to know it and learn it and stay within it. You cannot plead ignorance !

    The same applies here. You are not born with an entitlement to park wherever you want, some places you have to pay for the priviledge, as in this case, and it is up to you to make yourself aware of the rules, which have been posted above !

    If you dont obey the rules, you get clamped !!

    Taking photos proves nothing and is pointless !

    SIMPLE !!

    Also if the machine DOES happen to spit out a ticket that has incorrect figures,(if it ever happened) I would think that the obvious thing to do is phone the number on the machine straight away and do as instructed !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 em


    Yes, MercMad, it happened and was not speculation. This is why I was clamped. And I agree with you on that ignorance about the law is not an excuse! Also, I understand that DCC should keep a fair and good maintenance of the display machines, and if you get one which is not working (at all!) you have to find another one or find another place to park, but in my case it was aparently working, and I only realized it was not when it splat the ticket.

    I paid the @#%$! money and post the #;&* letter to DSPS, but my point is, as any other disservice in this country, we should shout it out, loudly, in an attempt to make changes in these stupid procedures!

    I sent a formal complaint letter to The Irish Times, another to Irish Independent and another to the DCC Ombudsman... but I don't think, unfortunately, they will really give a ****!

    Nevertheless is what I can do...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,731 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    em wrote:
    I sent a formal complaint letter to The Irish Times, another to Irish Independent and another to the DCC Ombudsman... but I don't think, unfortunately, they will really give a ****!
    To be fair, clamping appeals are handled fairly and something like 30-35% of appeals are successful.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    We now come to our consideration of the regulations of the vehicle clamping industry. I welcome from the Irish Parking Association Mr. Keith Gavin, secretary, Mr. Dave Cullen, director, Mr. Neil Cunningham, director, and Mr. Tom Harrington.


    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/TRJ/2012/02/07/00004.asp



    Deputy Noel Coonan: What instructions do they give to their employees when they go clamping? We spoke about a period of grace but I am concerned about whether they have discretion. If some poor unfortunate lady returns to her car and is under pressure and the clampers are about to commence, does the clamper have discretion to accept the fine rather than go through the whole procedure?


    The witnesses referred to Irish Rail, where they operate. Last winter, ticketing machines in my local station were frozen. People got the train and when they got back, their cars were clamped. The machines were not working. What consolation can the operators offer these people and what common sense reason can they give for the hardship they put people through? This was not the fault of these people; it was a failure of the system. I refer to the cost of appeals, on top of what people pay when they are clamped. It is difficult for people to afford it because there is pain in this country at the moment. Some 50% of appeals are successful. What number of people appeal and what number do not bother because they are not aware of it, are scared to appeal or cannot afford it? I would like the witnesses to address the people employed by their organisations, particularly in respect of the aggression to which Deputy McLoughlin referred.


    Mr. Tom Harrington: I apologise. If the machines were not working, we would not implement clamping on that site because we check the machines every time we go on site. I will happily look into any individual case with Deputy Coonan if he has the details. Customer service is a major concern for Irish Rail and clamping is a last resort on any of its sites.


    One must consider why we are present. My organisation manages 800 sites across the country. We do not just rock up and put signs up that we are clamping. People have an issue, for whatever reason, such as the car park being abused. They need to reserve spaces for themselves or their customers and that is why we are there. We are invited to these sites to solve a problem.


    Regarding staff, regulation by the Private Security Authority, PSA, would be a good thing. The second appeals process is independent and is the same service used by Dublin City Council. I stand over that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,798 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    MercMad wrote: »
    Hold on a sec.................If you dont obey the rules, you get clamped !!

    Taking photos proves nothing and is pointless !

    hold on a sec yourself. He did obey the rules - it was the meter that didn't play by the rule, i.e., give him a correctly validated ticket for the amount he paid.

    A photo does prove something and is evidence. If the Corpo can use cameras to catch people vandalising machines as posted here, you can use cameras to show meters not functioning.

    I've done it in Galway, and my wife has done it - and will continue to do so if required.

    In Galway the machines in Woodquay are regularly AWOL - I take a picture of the screen/whatever AND phone the number. The lady in Galway the council asks for your reg and if the warden comes around you won't be ticketed, or, if you are, because you logged the fault and called it in, you will be entitled to refund. And I log her name, and date/time of the call as well.

    It is the Corpo's job to keep their equipment in order -not ours - and we should neither pay nor be inconvenienced if it isn't.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    galwaytt wrote: »
    MercMad wrote: »
    Hold on a sec.................If you dont obey the rules, you get clamped !!

    Taking photos proves nothing and is pointless !



    hold on a sec yourself. He did obey the rules - it was the meter that didn't play by the rule, i.e., give him a correctly validated ticket for the amount he paid.

    A photo does prove something and is evidence. If the Corpo can use cameras to catch people vandalising machines as posted here, you can use cameras to show meters not functioning.

    I've done it in Galway, and my wife has done it - and will continue to do so if required.

    In Galway the machines in Woodquay are regularly AWOL - I take a picture of the screen/whatever AND phone the number. The lady in Galway the council asks for your reg and if the warden comes around you won't be ticketed, or, if you are, because you logged the fault and called it in, you will be entitled to refund. And I log her name, and date/time of the call as well.

    It is the Corpo's job to keep their equipment in order -not ours - and we should neither pay nor be inconvenienced if it isn't.

    It took you almost 7 years to respond? :eek::eek: :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭dutopia


    This is a little tricky but I'd be of the opinion that not getting a ticket because the closest machine isn't working is not a good excuse. If it's not working you should either find another machine or park somewhere else. It may be inconvenient but it's just one of those things. Also clampers don't give a toss about excuses - I saw a car before parked outside Holles st with a post it note saying "Emergency, wife in labour", the clampers were already fitting the clamp. Who knows if the note was a genuine reason but the fact is clampers don't care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    I parked at a meter that was out of order before, rang the number it says and they took my reg and gave me 1 hour free. As I was walking back from the meter towards the car, a Dublin city parking van pulled up to the meter and sorted it. I went to get a ticket and he asked was it me who rang and I had a free hour, to use it. I thought all Dublin meters had this number. If so then OP needs to learn to read and pay up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    Oops, just seen a 8 year old thread, sorry OP...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Old thread lock


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