Charles Haughey Has Died + Poll

Maxwell · 13-06-2006 01:04PM

darkman2 wrote:

Whatever. What was he ever charged for? What was he ever found guilty of? Nothing. He was on balance a very good leader for this country and he was instrumental in laying the foundations for the wealth this country currently enjoys but I suppose, you on the day of his death wouldnt even give him a little credit? Anything at all positive you could say? I wont retract anything because the blind all out critiscism shows the ignorance of some of the posters here. If you or others knew what you were talking about you would be able to see through the corruption (he wasnt the only one btw) for just one day.

Total Contradictions so your posts are pointless.

projectmayhem · 13-06-2006 01:05PM

julep wrote:

prostate cancer?
so he finally got fucked in the ass.
fitting death.

condolences to his family.

wow.....

Sarky · 13-06-2006 01:06PM

The Clown Man wrote:

Fact is that he was instrumental in bringing this country to what it is today.

Since when is that something to be proud of?

He clearly took what he concieved to be his share and did it without telling anyone but remember that he was not a Saddam Hussein sitting on his gold and ivory throne while the people under him starved.

While he was taking "what he concieved to be his share", he was telling everyone else to tighten their belts and deal with it. That's acceptable to you?

As far as I'm concerned, any good he did for the country is irrelavent. He did it while pissing on his responsibility to Ireland.

darkman2 · 13-06-2006 01:06PM

Answer the question.

Maxwell · 13-06-2006 01:06PM

Sniipe wrote:

I agree totally.

Of course you do, you were born in the early 90's - you didn't live through it and don't have a good overall opinon.

stovelid · 13-06-2006 01:07PM

Big bronze turd would be fitting enough.

I can't belive we are going to have to listen to a week of mendacious obituaries ("colurful character" etc) about that crook.

darkman2 · 13-06-2006 01:07PM

Maxwell wrote:

Total Contradictions so your posts are pointless.

I am entitled to my point of veiw, now answer the question - what was he ever found guilty of?

stovelid · 13-06-2006 01:08PM

classic

Keyser Soze 5 wrote:

No that's silly, a table with a brown envelope under it

Dragan · 13-06-2006 01:08PM

The Clown Man wrote:

Fact is that he was instrumental in bringing this country to what it is today.

So what people are saying is that because some may have benefitted we should forgive what happened to all those who didn't??

Come on folks, stop being so fu*ing soft, it's actually a little unsettling. You can't weigh the good a person did versus the bad.....that bad will always outweight the good.

Complete abuse of power, position and privilage can't be ignored.;)

Maxwell · 13-06-2006 01:08PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yeah, especially 82-87. No sorry, hold on, that was Garrett the Good and Dick Spring. Tricky one this, how are we going to continue the myth that FF and Charlie were the root of all evil and everything wrong when the facts and stats contradict us constitutionus. I mean the 80s were terrible, but FG and Labour were mostly in office, how do we get around this and suggest that everything that was wrong stemmed from a few illegal payments made by rich builders and not anything like the crap economy or complete mismanagement?

And which party is the most represented at the various tribunals in relation to corrupt payments.......yes FF!

The Hill Billy · 13-06-2006 01:09PM

You're getting a couple of separate issues mixed up here.
It was the TDs & Councillors that took the brown envelopes.
CJ was way to smart for that!
Sure the man never carried cash he was that classy.

In memory of him I would suggest a montage consisting of the following:
A Charvet shirt
A shotgun
€1m in Dunnes Stores vouchers
A Coq Hardi menu
A bottle of 1961 Margaux
A brass neck

stovelid · 13-06-2006 01:09PM

Absoluitely not.

constitutionus · 13-06-2006 01:11PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yeah, especially 82-87. No sorry, hold on, that was Garrett the Good and Dick Spring. Tricky one this, how are we going to continue the myth that FF and Charlie were the root of all evil and everything wrong when the facts and stats contradict us constitutionus. I mean the 80s were terrible, but FG and Labour were mostly in office, how do we get around this and suggest that everything that was wrong stemmed from a few illegal payments made by rich builders and not anything like the crap economy or complete mismanagement?

mostly in office? where the hell do you make this ****e up! FF Dominated the county councills and ran the country for the majority of the states existance and they where the ones bought and paid for by the brown envelope brigade. haugheys been up to his tricks since the 70s and and just cause some aberation in springer and garret getting in power in the mid eightes DIDNT mean all the corrupt infrastructure set up by FF went away. christ people were boasting in the tribunals about how you could get any rezoning permission you wanted if you paid off one FF man who'd gauarantee a block vote for you. god they actually complained about having to deal with other parties in the 90s cause labours vote went up and lamented the old days where you could just pay FF off

13-06-2006 01:16PM

Franlky if the only complaint is about rezoning in West Dublin then I guess the 5% who think that's the centre of the world can complain. Meanwhile the rest of the country can think about other issues, like unemployment under the FG/Labour government, or the National Debt in the 80s and that fact that it was worse than Chad's, or the 30,000 who fled the country every year and all those other really serious crises that had nothing whatsoever to do with Lucan or backhanders to a few crooks...

constitutionus wrote:

mostly in office? where the hell do you make this ****e up!

No, it's real. You referred to the 80s, honestly, FG and Labour really were in power from 82 to 87, check it up. And the councils had no say whatsoever in most issues, apart from planning and roads. But bigger things like health, the economy, employment etc. they couldn't influence at all...

constitutionus · 13-06-2006 01:21PM

darkman2 wrote:

Whatever. What was he ever charged for? What was he ever found guilty of? Nothing.

what was al capone convicted of? and do you believe tax evasion was all he got up to. CJ didnt go down for a reason , and thats because he got the dirt on all the others. remember the current taoiseach is the only remaining member of the old haughey cabinet to survive

Huggles · 13-06-2006 01:21PM

Shabadu wrote:

I think it's an absolute disgrace that he's getting a State Funeral. I know protocol demands it, but it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Still, much as I detest the man, I hope his family are coping.

Coping? I think id be coping very well waiting on my millions in inheritance! :mad:

13-06-2006 01:26PM

constitutionus wrote:

what was al capone convicted of? and do you believe tax evasion was all he got up to. CJ didnt go down for a reason , and thats because he got the dirt on all the others.

Yeah, CJH used to like gunning down the opposition in garages and ran a massive prostitution and racketering ring. He also has the screws on all the judges too...

Hysteria weakens an argument.

Henry Ford III · 13-06-2006 01:26PM

He was as bent as a €4 note.

I'd imagine Bertie is delighted at the news of his passing. Perhaps his secrets died with him?

Mossy Monk · 13-06-2006 01:29PM

if i had my way then no

Bluetonic · 13-06-2006 01:30PM

meditraitor wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFSC

The IFSC was not charles haugheys brainchild, it was Dermot Desmond's and we all know how maliable Haughey was to suggestions from Developers!!! so no!
Unless its a statue of him with a brown envelope:rolleyes:

In the same sense it would never have been built if the tax breaks were not introduced by Haugheys government.

You can see now that the tax breaks are over there is vast amount of empty space in the IFSC.

constitutionus · 13-06-2006 01:31PM

Deleted User wrote:

Franlky if the only complaint is about rezoning in West Dublin then I guess the 5% who think that's the centre of the world can complain. Meanwhile the rest of the country can think about other issues

yes because the largest population center of the country is located in west dublin.:rolleyes: i said all.over dublin which is substantially more than 5% of the population, and of course the problem of the economy could have nothing to do with the give away budget when we were a basket case economy supervised by FF

conor74 wrote:

No, it's real. You referred to the 80s, honestly, FG and Labour really were in power from 82 to 87, check it up. And the councils had no say whatsoever in most issues, apart from planning and roads. But bigger things like health, the economy, employment etc. they couldn't influence at all...

read my post! i said he lead to the corruption culture and he did, hes been knocking around since the 60s and the corrupt network he built up with his cronies destroyed the infrastructure of this country in the main cities and that was the result of the FF dominated councils, who like youve pointed out controled those things. our economy was in the toilet then and thats where to money was.
we all know your a FFer so dont try and pass this off as anything less that propaganda for your party

constitutionus · 13-06-2006 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yeah, CJH used to like gunning down the opposition in garages and ran a massive prostitution and racketering ring. He also has the screws on all the judges too...

Hysteria weakens an argument.

he did engage in gun running:D , but deliberately misinterpreting the post only weaken yours

13-06-2006 01:34PM

constitutionus wrote:

we all know your a FFer

And we all know you hate Charlie Haughey so don't try and pass this off and some neutral objective comment about the man.

Unless of course you think those who hate him are unbiased and those who don't hate him are biased...

I wouldn't accuse you of that arrogance.

13-06-2006 01:35PM

constitutionus wrote:

he did engage in gun running:D , but deliberately misinterpreting the post only weaken yours

True, hence you will find that I never suggest he was some angel or remarkable man. He was a crook. He did some right. But he's not the root of all that's wrong with this country.

mountainyman · 13-06-2006 01:35PM

darkman2 wrote:

Answer the question.

The system itself is corrupt so the fact that he wasn't convicted proves nothing.

constitutionus · 13-06-2006 01:39PM

i dont hate the man but i refuse to sit here and listen to post humous sycopathy all day about a man you shouldve been jailed but thanks to the political and media cowards is now going down as some kind of saint. he was a crook plain and simple. and i call it like i see it. you wanna say otherwise thats your peroggative, but it doesnt change the truth he was a self seving egomaniac

Vas_Guy · 13-06-2006 01:45PM

He was the only one who could stand up to margaret thatcher

Dragan · 13-06-2006 01:47PM

Vas_Guy wrote:

He was the only one who could emulate to margaret thatcher

Well said.

darkman2 · 13-06-2006 01:51PM

mountainyman wrote:

The system itself is corrupt so the fact that he wasn't convicted proves nothing.

Im not going to get into this today, the man has just died. Give him a break and show some respect. Everyone deserves that much.

Sarky · 13-06-2006 01:54PM

Plan a grand monument, but have most of the funding mysteriously diverted to help pay for housing and liver transplants, resulting in a monument of a 4x4 slab of chipboard with his name misspelled in crayon.

A self-claimed patron of the arts like Haughy will surely appreciate the poetry.

Charles Haughey Has Died + Poll

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