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Terry · 09-06-2006 07:44PM

well, if you can't get a job in this country at the moment, you are either unemployable of lazy. so, spongers they are. don't thnk there are too many of them left though.

larrylonglad · 09-06-2006 07:46PM

I wonder would it be feasable if a small percentage of everyones paycheck was automatically given over to charity?
Yeah and we could call it something crazy like tax.

haha. True enough. Our taxes do already go to charity.

Degsy · 09-06-2006 07:51PM

julep wrote:

well, if you can't get a job in this country at the moment, you are either unemployable of lazy. so, spongers they are. don't thnk there are too many of them left though.

There's plenty of them left,most of them are women nowadays,usually tracksuit wearing and buggy-pushing.

Rollo Tamasi · 09-06-2006 07:57PM

i only give money to Irish Charities, i prefer to see where the money goes as in my local community. We have poor people in our own country too! Amazing isn't it!
Simon Community in Cork and The Guide Dog Association(up the road from my house) get my money and that's it.

Pigman II · 09-06-2006 08:08PM

Degsy wrote:

Do we not get taxed heavily enough as it is?We're allready supporting the spongers of this country i dont see why we should be responsible for the rest of the world as well.

What is enough? 1% would be enough for most people because they don't like paying tax, so that's meaningless. We're on a par with the majority of European counties and Austria , Belgium, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway and Spain all have higher tax levels than us.

I'm just suggesting a few pence a week out of your pay to go to charities (and they don't need to be foriegn charities either). The icing on the cake would be that you could say you've done your bit and tell the chuggers to **** off (or indeed you wouldn't even need to tell them because they wouldn't be there anymore).

junkyard · 09-06-2006 08:15PM

Thanks for the replies everyone, for a minute there I thought I was going to be mobbed by the PC police. Seriously though I think there are some genuine charity cases but when listening to the radio at peak times it seems to be nothing but charity appeals and tbh the people who genuinely deserve it don't always get it. Its a case of the squeaking wheel getting all the oil when it comes to charities and whoever advertises most gets the bigger share of the market.

Degsy · 09-06-2006 08:19PM

junkyard wrote:

Thanks for the replies everyone, for a minute there I thought I was going to be mobbed by the PC police. Seriously though I think there are some genuine charity cases but when listening to the radio at peak times it seems to be nothing but charity appeals and tbh the people who genuinely deserve it don't always get it. Its a case of the squeaking wheel getting all the oil when it comes to charities and whoever advertises most gets the bigger share of the market.

Thats because the big charities are actually a business,with directors,board members and premises.Charity is a big money spinner and very little of it goes to the people who are supposed to be benefiting.

Hagar · 09-06-2006 08:36PM

The price of the two 500lb bombs dropped on Al Wasabi, or whatever his name was

, would probably feed a small African country for a whole day.

What get's me is not the ad looking for €3 for Concern it's the one that comes on immediately after looking for €5 for stray dogs or cats. Where is the sense of values in that?

Degsy · 09-06-2006 08:38PM

Hagar wrote:

The price of the two 500lb bombs dropped on Al Wasabi, or whatever his name was , would probably feed a small African country for a whole day.

What get's me is not the ad looking for €3 for Concern it's the one that comes on immediately after looking for €5 for stray dogs or cats. Where is the sense of values in that?

Some people like dogs and cats but arent so keen on people in distant countries.

larrylonglad · 09-06-2006 08:49PM

Some people like dogs and cats but arent so keen on people in distant countries.

Myself and my girlfriend only give to a few animal charities. Giving charity is just a selfish act to make us feel better as we care about animals. Others about starving africans.

Degsy · 09-06-2006 08:52PM

I reckon we could dovetail the two chairities..send teh unwanted bunnies and hamsters and dogs and stuff to africa to feed the starving people.Hey presto!No stray dogs,no more hunger and nothing for the charity-muggers to pursue you up the street over.AND it means people will be able to eat thier tea in peace.

DublinWriter · 09-06-2006 09:05PM

Degsy wrote:

Thats because the big charities are actually a business,with directors,board members and premises.Charity is a big money spinner and very little of it goes to the people who are supposed to be benefiting.

True. Charaties in this country are not legally obliged to publish just how much is going to the actual 'cause'. I remember a Primeline programme about two years ago that said a lot of the bigger 'professional' charities only pass out about 25% of the gross total of what they receive to the actual cause.

Personally, any charity that uses chuggers is off my Christmas-card list, and Concern is one of these.

I'd prefare to give to totally voulenteer charities, such as Fr.Peter Mc Verry's Home Alone, or Alcon, Sr.Consillio's, etc.

RoundyMooney · 09-06-2006 09:05PM

DaveMcG wrote:

And however little money actually gets to the people who need it (the charities have to pay for ads, employ people, pay for offices if they use them, etc), it's still needed. Just cos most of the money gets lost in beaurocracy or whatever doesn't mean we should stop giving it. It's not the citizens' fault that their rulers are corrupt.

Good lord. Would you have us give €5 to underprivileged farmers, and €95 to Robert Mugabe or some other puffed up despot in a military uniform.

No fcuking way. If the charity system cannot sustain efficiency and work correctly, then they won't get stink from me. Any set up that simply throws money around the place, with very little practical result is not worth the contributions that prop it up.

Similiar to Saint Bob, and his crusade to wipe out Third World debt, and thus propogate these corrupt regimes for another generation. Misguided, misplaced emotive crap, that so many bought into...

Let these countries reach a level of sociological maturity sufficient to plant the seed of democracy, and then they deserve everything we can give, and more.

It's hard to see who suffer the worst government/management here, certain charities, or certain tin-pot dictator states.

Degsy · 09-06-2006 09:07PM

DublinWriter wrote:

True. Charaties in this country are not legally obliged to publish just how much is going to the actual 'cause'. I remember a Primeline programme about two years ago that said a lot of the bigger 'professional' charities only pass out about 25% of the gross total of what they receive to the actual cause.

Personally, any charity that uses chuggers is off my Christmas-card list, and Concern is one of these.

I'd prefare to give to totally voulenteer charities, such as Fr.Peter Mc Verry's Home Alone, or Alcon, Sr.Consillio's, etc.

Fr Peter Mc Verry's Home Alone?That sounds like an irish re-make of a hollywoood comedy with an ecclesiastical twist.

RoundyMooney · 09-06-2006 09:10PM

DaveMcG wrote:

If the will was there, we could have these regimes toppled no problem.

Quite, old son. Just like Afghanistan, and that nice Hussein chap in Iraq.

Not our place, had we not tinkered about in both in the first place, we wouldn't have the problem we have today.

Arguably, Africa would be where it is today, with or without colonial or Cold War meddling.

Anyway, the French and Israelis would only sell them more guns anyway. It could get nasty...

DublinWriter · 09-06-2006 09:17PM

RoundyMooney wrote:

Let these countries reach a level of sociological maturity sufficient to plant the seed of democracy, and then they deserve everything we can give, and more.

Funnily enough, the Brits used the same argument about us during the potato famine and during successive Home Rule bills.

DublinWriter · 09-06-2006 09:20PM

Degsy wrote:

Fr Peter Mc Verry's Home Alone?That sounds like an irish re-make of a hollywoood comedy with an ecclesiastical twist.

Although I renounced my Catholicism eons ago, Fr. McVerry does some fantastic work with under priveliged kids, so I'll forgive your attempt to be funny.

Bless you my son, now go in pieces.

Degsy · 09-06-2006 09:26PM

DublinWriter wrote:

Although I renounced my Catholicism eons ago, Fr. McVerry does some fantastic work with under priveliged kids, so I'll forgive your attempt to be funny.

Bless you my son, now go in pieces.

Attempt?I'm hurt..i thought that was pretty good..ah well.:(

RoundyMooney · 09-06-2006 09:28PM

DublinWriter wrote:

Funnily enough, the Brits used the same argument about us during the potato famine and during successive Home Rule bills.

Ah yes, the old "The Irish are not fit to self-govern". Funny that they'd say that, having a strategic interest and all. In the period up to the Famine times, they were probably not too far off the mark either. Given the lamentable mismanagement of this country since the foundation of the state through corruption and ineptness (with one or two shining ministerial exceptions), particularly in the 70s and 80s, one would wonder...

Degsy · 09-06-2006 09:40PM

There are parts of africa where they didnt know what the wheel was untill colonists showed them 150 years ago..

RoundyMooney · 09-06-2006 09:42PM

Degsy wrote:

There are parts of africa where they didnt know what the wheel was untill colonists showed them 150 years ago..

"Five years ago, I didn't know what a Dubliner was, now I is one."

DublinWriter · 09-06-2006 09:57PM

Degsy wrote:

There are parts of africa where they didnt know what the wheel was untill colonists showed them 150 years ago..

Then they bashed the colonists over the head with said wheel and ate them.

Clever Africans.

Fighting Irish · 09-06-2006 10:15PM

the add is in the RTE 1 adds just before and after the 1 oclock and 6 o clock news

RoundyMooney · 09-06-2006 10:36PM

Yes...

Thanks for that.

simu · 09-06-2006 11:53PM

Anti-lollerz @ this thread.

nesf · 09-06-2006 11:57PM

<cliche="token">Charity begins at home</cliche>

tj-music.com · 10-06-2006 01:05AM

As a reporter and radio program maker I was fortunate enough to work with Concern and Christian Aid and Trocaire. No doubt that buerocracy eats into funds and that a lot of money is lost along the way but I have seen the work of those mentioned charities and I know for fact that they do a great job.

Been out and about with Concern a couple of times and they really impressed me.

Degsy · 10-06-2006 01:28PM

Wasnt Bunny Carr bubbled up as being a tea leaf?

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