Lost faith in the Gardai (again)

Huggles · 03-06-2006 05:40AM #1

Right, Mods, apologies if this is in the wrong place, please move if you have to. Just want to get a general concensus on what action I should take. Thanks

I live in a small cul de sac and last night at 3am I was awoken by what sounded like amplifier feedback which then turned to heavy metal music. I look across the road, the house directly across the road has the front door open and about 30 eastern europens are standing, sitting in the garden, screaming over the music. A couple of them are pretty much shagging against the wall, more of them are falling all over the place drunk, one of them is sitting in his car with the radio up full blast and the engine running. It was unreal!

At this point I notice there next door neighbours coming out and are promptly told to Fuuck off. I get dressed and go over and I get the same, only they threatened my life also!

I called the local garda station which is a three minute walk and I am told they can't do anything as it is a civil matter. WTF!!!! I'm sorry last time I checked, drunk and disorderly, disturbing the peace and drinking on the street are all laws, no?

Just incase your all wondering if i am a crabby aul one with nothing better to do, I am 26, and believe me I have been to the odd party in my day, nothing like this though! Seems to me the Gaurds have to be all PC when dealing with immigrants.

The question is what do we do now? I won't be approaching them again and the Gardai where no help, I am disgusted, why am I paying taxes? :mad:

Bamboozled · 03-06-2006 05:45AM

Howya Goon,
I'm not surprised you had that reaction.
I've had to get onto the local Gardai because of constant parties similar to your situation in the apartment across from us. I got the same answer. Its a civil matter.

I found out that if it continued (they were kicked out eventually) we could go to the district court with a complaint. Bit extreme but your local council would be the ones to go to. I'll have a look for the stuff i got later and send it on to you.

Conar · 03-06-2006 05:46AM

Sounds like they should have done more.
Surely the fact that you were threatened is a crime even if none of the rest of the acts are deemed offences.
In future I would ask for their name and perhaps call back the next day and talk to one of their seniors.

Ruu_Old · 03-06-2006 05:50AM

Ask some of your neighbours to go down to the station with you, they might listen when you have a few people. Something should have been done in any case.

Huggles · 03-06-2006 05:56AM

Bamboozled wrote:

Howya Goon,
I'm not surprised you had that reaction.
I've had to get onto the local Gardai because of constant parties similar to your situation in the apartment across from us. I got the same answer. Its a civil matter.

I found out that if it continued (they were kicked out eventually) we could go to the district court with a complaint. Bit extreme but your local council would be the ones to go to. I'll have a look for the stuff i got later and send it on to you.

Hi Bam, thats great, thanks.

03-06-2006 05:57AM

Sorry to hear of your problems. Like be glad that you do not live in a community dominated by university students. We have people who think they are DJs for the rest of us and blast their music so everyone can hear blocks away.

Huggles · 03-06-2006 06:01AM

Like I said, I didn't mind that there was a party, the music didn't even piss me off that much, it was too loud though and the orgy in the garden nearly made me puck, then to have some stoned/drunk thug telling me to **** off or he will kill me...nice.

I have lived here for 21 years and these assholes are here 5 minutes!! AGGHHH!

MunsterCycling · 03-06-2006 06:07AM

Ask the desk sargent for his Inspectors name and phone number, failing that contact the stations divional headquarters and make a racket, this type of behaviour is covered under anti-social behaviour and as such is the remit of An Garda Sugary Candies so telling you its a civil matter is bs and a cop out (sorry for that one). Who is the owner of this property? Have you rung them? Usually a phone call at some ungodly hour is pretty effective when it comes to removing unrulely tenents, do ye have a residents assoc? Also you can see if the property is registered with the PRTB as a rented property, nice big fine for the owner if its not but I didn't tell ya that

Just noted you are in Dublin? If they were drinking in the street (not the garden) then they were also commiting a offence under public drinking laws but these vary from local authority area to local authority area so its hard to know.

lostexpectation · 03-06-2006 07:12AM

a civil matter? sure how many of us have hard the gardai call round to a party?

I think had you got your neighbours to call the station also they might have done something(althoguht maybe they did), or walk to station if it was so nearby and led the gardai by the hand back to the party house.

ya know that program on the bbc, where they had council officers going round?
they didn't seem to be using scare tactics im not usre how effective they were, does Ireland have 24 noise pollution officers I doubt it.

KTRIC · 03-06-2006 07:24AM

When they are all fast asleep this morning after a heavy night of head-banging, drinking and shagging pour break fluid over their car. I find that this gets the message home that they aren't wanted in your neighbourhood.

JackKelly · 03-06-2006 07:53AM

or better, put a flaming lowercase t in the garden....

:rolleyes:

MunsterCycling · 03-06-2006 07:55AM

TimAy wrote:

or better, put a flaming lowercase t in the garden....

:rolleyes:

WHAT?

Nuttzz · 03-06-2006 08:11AM

Next time it happens ring the cops again, just add that you saw them put something that looked like a shotgun into the boot of a car, 15 minutes later you'll be sound asleep....

johnnyrotten · 03-06-2006 08:26AM

You said they threatened your life? I think thats more than a civil matter.
As the last poster said saying that you saw one of them with a weapon ( Knives are a particular favourite of the East Europeans ) they cops will come. Also keep ringing the cops every 2 mins.. they will eventually have to come

Ciaran500 · 03-06-2006 08:51AM

MunsterCycling wrote:

WHAT?

Its from South Park when they want to get the rich black people out of their town.

TomTom · 03-06-2006 09:14AM

MunsterCycling wrote:

WHAT?

as in 'Time to leave'

I've having trouble with the neighbours and music also. For the last two months they have been having parties and playing music very loud but we did not pay attention to it as we like to have parties also (only onece every few months) but in the past two weeks I had to go down twice as there is a girl studying for exams and the other night she called me in to ask would I say something to them as the music was so loud stuff was starting to vibrate off her locker.

I banged the floor a few times and the music got louder so I got dressed and went down. The gas this is they imidiatly had a go at me for banging on the floor and being passive agressive (wtf). some drunk blond chick and a string of piss behing her having a go at me over their loud music. Since it was the second time I'm going to the landlord. Oh and they also have the shared garage full of bin bags and the place ****ing stinks.

franksm · 03-06-2006 09:29AM

yeah - if they're renting, find out who the landlord is and take it up with him/her. Mention that the cops have been involved.

Or better still, call the confidential crimeline and say that you know prostitution and drugs have been going on at that address

Owen · 03-06-2006 09:38AM

Or, play their game. I've an nice 4000 watt PA system that should break windows if you want :-)

To be fair, an orgy in the garden with hot eastern european girls doesn't sound like the worst though! (I have an extremely active imagination)

Winters · 03-06-2006 11:33AM

TimAy wrote:

or better, put a flaming lowercase t in the garden....

Anyway, you should have taken some pictures or a video of it and then sent them into all the red banner rags saying that the Gardai refused to stop this total breach fof the peace etc. etc. They would have had a field day with it.

Maybe even throw a letter to the editor at the Irish Times etc. As it is it sounds like a clear breach of the peace/public order offensive and I know I have been given a little warning for doing stuff like that in the past. Also, threatening your life like that (in a serious manner) I thought was illegal in some way?

*shrugs*

Best thing to do is give it to the red banner papers nand let them have a field day. I think they hate them immigrants more then anyone else.

AngryAnderson · 03-06-2006 11:42AM

If it happens again, explain to whatever jackass cop answers the phone that you were in touch with your solicitor since the last time it happened and that you would like to know the Garda's name. Then explain that, according to your solicitor, this is far from a 'civil matter' (I have a picture in my head of Father Jack sitting there with a phone in his hand "THIS IS AN ECUMENICAL MATTER. FECK"). Explain to the sh1thead that if he doesn't do his job you'll be seeking executive legal advice the next day.

Jesus... imagine having to threaten the police to do their jobs when WE'RE the ones who pay their damn salaries. :rolleyes:

rondeco · 03-06-2006 12:20PM

AngryAnderson wrote:

If it happens again, explain to whatever jackass cop answers the phone that you were in touch with your solicitor since the last time it happened and that you would like to know the Garda's name. Then explain that, according to your solicitor, this is far from a 'civil matter' (I have a picture in my head of Father Jack sitting there with a phone in his hand "THIS IS AN ECUMENICAL MATTER. FECK"). Explain to the sh1thead that if he doesn't do his job you'll be seeking executive legal advice the next day.

Jesus... imagine having to threaten the police to do their jobs when WE'RE the ones who pay their damn salaries. :rolleyes:

You are so right. The guards haven't done a tap since day one.. blah blah blah blah blah.

they are all 'sh1theads'. You forgot to say they are all fat. And ugly and less brain matter than a handicapped goldfish..

With regards to the o.p. loud music is covered under the environmental act with regards to noise pollution. The gardai are not entilted to commence prosecutions under this act. The people who are in the garden cannot be accosted in anyway as they are on private property and so the public order act has no application here unless there is some sort of riot or affray. The people who were on the streets shoud have been dealt with by the gardai but as for the guy who was in his car, little can be done unless he goes to drive it. Hope that helps.

bounty · 03-06-2006 12:29PM

why didnt you record a video of this party?

otherwise people think your exagerating

Cuddlesworth · 03-06-2006 12:55PM

Winters wrote:

<Anyway, you should have taken some pictures or a video of it and then sent them into all the red banner rags saying that the Gardai refused to stop this total breach fof the peace etc. etc. They would have had a field day with it.

Best peice of advice on this thread, then wait for a politicion to jump on the idea and your neibhours will be un-able to have any partys for love nor money.

AngryAnderson · 03-06-2006 01:09PM

rondeco wrote:

You are so right. The guards haven't done a tap since day one.. blah blah blah blah blah.

they are all 'sh1theads'. You forgot to say they are all fat. And ugly and less brain matter than a handicapped goldfish..

I was actually referring to the lazy ones who don't do their jobs properly and couldn't care less. If you can point out where I made a sweeping generalisation of all Gardaí then do so. Other I'll accept your apology.

The bottom line is that, in many cases, the Gardaí simply won't do their jobs and stand up for you so have to stand up to them. A lot of the time, unfortunately, you nearly have to pay a solicitor in order to motivate the police enough to get up off their asses. It's a fact. If you don't agree, you're wrong.

Winters · 03-06-2006 01:20PM

krazy_8s wrote:

wait for a politicion to jump on the idea and your neibhours will be un-able to have any partys for love nor money.

Most people in Dublin probably dont know and have never seen their local politicion tbh. Well, you only see them at around election time.

Really though, most parties dont go that overboard that your sitting outside with a car blasting music out at 3am. So ... *shrugs*

Slippin Jimmy · 03-06-2006 01:38PM

Look people in all fairness if we didn't have the police force that we have know, you wouldn't get asleep at night. They do a good job most of the time. The problem is that they are under staffed. The don't have the resources. I was reading in the paper a couple of weeks back about some guards being called to a fight outside some pub in the country. I think that it was travellers that were fighting. Anyway the two guards that were dispatched both got their jaws broken and got some other injurys aswell.

faceman · 03-06-2006 02:13PM

Domestic noise polution is a big problem in this country, and its not taken serious enough. Given the poor quality sound proofing in new houses its a problem thats not going to go away.

If enough people complain to their TD's etc about unruly behaviour in this respect then the pressure hopefully will force a change. Take the UK for example, as someone mentioned already, they have council people dedicated to noise pollution monitoring and issues.

lostexpectation · 03-06-2006 02:25PM

rondeco wrote:

With regards to the o.p. loud music is covered under the environmental act with regards to noise pollution. The gardai are not entilted to commence prosecutions under this act. The people who are in the garden cannot be accosted in anyway as they are on private property and so the public order act has no application here unless there is some sort of riot or affray. The people who were on the streets shoud have been dealt with by the gardai but as for the guy who was in his car, little can be done unless he goes to drive it. Hope that helps.

actually that quite unhelpful, as it does not address what he needs to do about the excessivly loud parties.The job has been the polices up to now and it remain so up until we do have 24hr noise pollution officers.

lodgepole · 03-06-2006 03:19PM

lostexpectation wrote:

actually that quite unhelpful, as it does not address what he needs to do about the excessivly loud parties.The job has been the polices up to now and it remain so up until we do have 24hr noise pollution officers.

As the previous post points out the job has not been the polices up until now, although they may have been doing it anyway.

As for people who think you should tell the police you saw weapons/suspect prostitution/drug dealing... Cop yourselves on. People making bull**** claims about neighbours isn't going to go too far in improving our police force.

Record it the next time it happens and bring it to either your solicitor, their landloard or both.

rondeco · 03-06-2006 03:20PM

lostexpectation wrote:

actually that quite unhelpful, as it does not address what he needs to do about the excessivly loud parties.The job has been the polices up to now and it remain so up until we do have 24hr noise pollution officers.

No, it hasn't. The police can only use the powers they are given. It does not come under their remit. It is not a criminal offence to have a loud party. So actually, it is quite helpful. How has it been the gardai's job? We have legislation to deal with noise pollution. Generally, the local authority prosecutes under this act or a member of the public. so where has it been unhelpful?

lostexpectation · 03-06-2006 03:22PM

rondeco wrote:

No, it hasn't. The police can only use the powers they are given. It does not come under their remit. It is not a criminal offence to have a loud party. So actually, it is quite helpful. How has it been the gardai's job? We have legislation to deal with noise pollution. Generally, the local authority prosecutes under this act or a member of the public. so where has it been unhelpful?

who do people call to come out when theres a particularily loud party in ireland?

It might not be suspposed to be the polices job but that doens't hcange the fact they have always been called for these sort of things.

do the council have people at their offices 24hrs day and night?

Lost faith in the Gardai (again)

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