PS3 Launch Date Confirmed

hairball · 16-05-2006 09:27AM

Placebo wrote:

psp- screens wernt really faulty.

no...just badly manufactured:P

Retr0gamer · 16-05-2006 10:06AM

#Elites wrote:

well with every frist editon of consoles there will be bugs, thats just face..

look @ the PSP (dodgy butons and faulty screens)
Xbox 360 (Over heating, crashing, freezing, disk scratching)

I def wont be getting @ launch, possibly Christmass, or Febuary..

Don't remember there being any problems with launch Gamecubes, Xboxen or Sega Saturns. Sony consoles were always dodgy. I remember even the PS1 had problems. They used a plastic disc drive instead of the metal disc drive everybody else used. Early PS1 consoles would wear out the drive in about 6 months but at least Sony replaced them for free unlike now. I bet they are making a mint charging 80 euros to replace a dreadful DVD drive with an equally dreadful and cheap on and call it a repair.

I'd say the launch PS3's will be riddled with flaws as well. The blu-ray drive hasn't been tested in the home market and will no doubt be the cheapest and tackiest drive Sony could on tender. I'd say there will be a high percentage of consoles that won't work due to dodgy CPU as well (well higher than average) since the Cell is so new.

shortys94 · 16-05-2006 07:18PM

ah well thats what the 1 year warranty is for:)

Retr0gamer · 16-05-2006 11:14PM

Nothing. The consoles seem to be designed to break in 18 months.

steviec · 16-05-2006 11:20PM

Retr0gamer wrote:

Nothing. The consoles seem to be designed to break in 18 months.

Well it beats the 360 being designed to break in 18 days

Lemlin · 17-05-2006 10:26AM

Anyone know of anywhere taking pre-orders yet?

Balfa · 18-05-2006 07:11PM

DonnybrookGhost wrote:

spec wise?

Once again, the average punter completely misses the point. Both the XBOX and GameCube are more powerful than the PS2, but most people would consider the PS2 to be the most "successful" out of the three. It's not about specs, it's about games.

shortys94 · 21-05-2006 11:43AM

clears up some confusion

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/19/sony-clears-up-some-ps3-confusion/

LookingFor · 21-05-2006 12:37PM

So basically, if you care so much about 1080p Blu-ray movie playback, get the €600 version (which would probably be an absolute steal for you given what dedicated players with similar capability will cost you).

If, however, you can live with 1080p game output, and 720p/1080i Blu-ray movie playback, the €500 pack is fine - which I think would suit the vast vast majority of people.

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

projectmayhem · 21-05-2006 02:49PM

LookingFor wrote:

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

if ps3 is region-free it wont matter though... as you can just import the cheaper pack. of course, that'll be ny-on impossible at launch

yawnstretch · 21-05-2006 02:58PM

Yeah importing a new home console (unlike a portable like the DS or PSP) is a really bad idea.

You get stung in so many ways its not even funny. Thats why it's so cool all the major game companies have stopped shafting Europe as bad as they used to by doing worldwide launches.

Feckin bout time

skywalker · 21-05-2006 04:52PM

LookingFor wrote:

So basically, if you care so much about 1080p Blu-ray movie playback, get the €600 version (which would probably be an absolute steal for you given what dedicated players with similar capability will cost you).

If, however, you can live with 1080p game output, and 720p/1080i Blu-ray movie playback, the €500 pack is fine - which I think would suit the vast vast majority of people.

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

Will HDCP work with a DVI or VGA port then? Im presuming the cheaper ps3 will have one of those ports.

Ciaran500 · 21-05-2006 05:13PM

DVI is very similar HDMI and certain versions of it can accept HDCP. But VGA can't and the cheaper model won't be able to produce a DVI signal.

LookingFor · 21-05-2006 05:38PM

skywalker wrote:

Will HDCP work with a DVI or VGA port then? Im presuming the cheaper ps3 will have one of those ports.

You won't need HDCP. Studios aren't using ICT for now, in fact I believe they've agreed not to use it till early in the next decade at least. There's a lot of legal problems with it in some territories, Japan particularly.

Ciaran500 · 21-05-2006 06:02PM

"According to the IT Media report, the AACS LA members agreed to implement ICT in such a way that countries that prohibit the use of quality restrictions on digital media, can continue to do so without inhibiting the production of AACS-compliant devices to those countries."
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2005/12/19/aacs_10_negotiations_make_progress/

Once 720p/1080p rips start appearing and get popular online, studios will start to use it.

LookingFor · 21-05-2006 07:01PM

I wish I could find the link, but I was sure I read they'd agreed not to use it for x number of years. Certainly, I don't think any studios are planning to use it starting out at least. Even Universal aren't, who were strong supporters of it.

Besides, if you care so much about HD movies, then you'll see a lot of value in the $600 PS3

But I think with or without HDMI you'll be able to enjoy HD output for now at least, and possibly for much of PS3's lifetime.

skywalker · 22-05-2006 11:39AM

Ciaran500 wrote:

DVI is very similar HDMI and certain versions of it can accept HDCP. But VGA can't and the cheaper model won't be able to produce a DVI signal.

Is it set that the cheaper one is using VGA then?

Ciaran500 · 22-05-2006 02:32PM

We don't know if there will be a VGA connection but assuming there will be VGA/component(very similar picture quality) would be the best available.

LookingFor · 22-05-2006 08:27PM

Here's the news I was talking about earlier:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html

Basically component would be enough for HD movie playback for titles released up to 2010 if this news is correct.

Also, slight tangent, but the 20GB €499 pack has been confirmed for Germany. So maybe there's a glimmer of hope it'll come here too..hopefully we won't blindly follow the UK.

shortys94 · 23-05-2006 07:11PM

Id say alot of people in Ireland will buy the PS3, alot of people have alot more money and there familiar with the Sony systems, and Asia tells alot of the time how consoles will do, they never really did like the Xbox and Xbox 360 over there, and I know they like nintendo and all that but the PS3 will do well,

This is interesting too, well i think it is:P
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2006/05/23/trade-in-values-for-xbox-360-and-psp-are-the-same-in-japan/

koneko · 26-05-2006 01:00PM

"Asia tells alot of the time how consoles will do"

Not really, Asia is a different market, things sell differently there than here or the UK/rest of Europe or the US. If you look at the PSP for example, it outsold the DS by some huge amount of here. DS did better when Nintendogs came up but as far as I'm aware it still doesn't match PSP sales. In Japan the DS is doing much much better, it's huge:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64832

Personally, I don't think the PS3 will do as well as Sony are expecting it to. It had better have a great line up of games for the average person to fork out that amount of money for it. The average person off the street isn't going to care about Blue Ray. Some will buy it for the name, sure, but that'll only get them so far. To a lot of people, it may look more attractive to buy a 360 and a Wii, than just a PS3. If you go into Game and see a bundle of two consoles, or one, that will surely influence some people.

We shall see. So far the PS3 isn't winning me over, but I always decide on these things closer to launch when I know what games are out for it (which is really what it's all about, not the hardware).

LookingFor · 27-05-2006 09:51AM

koneko wrote:

Personally, I don't think the PS3 will do as well as Sony are expecting it to. It had better have a great line up of games for the average person to fork out that amount of money for it.

Does the average person ever fork out at launch?

koneko wrote:

The average person off the street isn't going to care about Blue Ray. Some will buy it for the name, sure, but that'll only get them so far. To a lot of people, it may look more attractive to buy a 360 and a Wii, than just a PS3. If you go into Game and see a bundle of two consoles, or one, that will surely influence some people.

It doesn't look like this is going to pan out as neatly as Peter Moore might have liked. Wii may well be €249 now. If 360 prices stay the same, you'd be looking at €649 for the two together. PS3 sooner or later, if not immediately from launch, will have a €499 pack.

Also, regarding Blu-ray, people might want to stop writing it off as an irrelevance to games, and classing it 'only' as useful for HD movie playback. There's a rumour going around from a pretty credible person that at least one big name third party game that has only been announced for PS3 so far is in that situation largely because of Blu-ray.

(That game is Mercenaries 2).

Might that change? Might they eventually fit it on a DVD for 360? Perhaps, but it'll be a lot of work to get there apparently, and they're not entirely sure what'll happen, so that's why they're staying mum on versions beyond PS3. If this is happening already, I think it's a bit premature to say that Blu-ray brings no value to PS3, the games machine, versus PS3 the movie player - afterall, games are only going to get more ambitious, and more sophisticated. I don't think what we've seen in the last 6 months is really even the tip of the iceberg, and reflective of typical next-gen requirements at all.

hairball · 27-05-2006 10:17AM

a lot of the debate seems to be centering around the value of the blu ray player in the ps3.
i agree that sony would have been better off going the ms route on this one and allowing players the choice to have blu ray or not, because it is, as is the case with hd-dvd, an unproven formula popularity wise.
But if there are several games companies out there who are giving blu ray the thumbs up ( i'm presuming here they looked at hd-dvd and said no thank you, i wouldn't claim to understand why though) then maybe we have to take this format and indeed hd dvd a bit more seriously in the coming gens of games.
Or maybe not. Is crysis getting released on blu ray or hd dvd..i haven't heard that this is the case.
of course it could be all a load of bull being peddled in order to force us into a format we don't really want.
I guess we wont really no what difference these players are gonna make to gaming for a year or maybe more.
Guess it all depends on how much supposed 'future proofing' people want.

LookingFor · 27-05-2006 10:30AM

hairball wrote:

i agree that sony would have been better off going the ms route on this one and allowing players the choice to have blu ray or not, because it is, as is the case with hd-dvd, an unproven formula popularity wise.
But if there are several games companies out there who are giving blu ray the thumbs up ( i'm presuming here they looked at hd-dvd and said no thank you, i wouldn't claim to understand why though) then maybe we have to take this format and indeed hd dvd a bit more seriously in the coming gens of games.

A game developer can't use HD-DVDs, on the consoles anyway. There's a HD-DVD add-on coming for 360, but all 360 games have to be on DVD because it's optional. If MS included a HD-DVD drive in all 360s, it wouldn't be an issue.

hairball wrote:

Or maybe not. Is crysis getting released on blu ray or hd dvd..i haven't heard that this is the case.

I don't know about Crysis, but it's a very different kind of game from Mercenaries. With Mercenaries, it's a completely open world. If I hop into a plane or helicopter and quickly fly to the other side of that world, then all the data for the entire game world has to be on one disc, and you need to be able to stream it off the disc fast enough. And if that exceeds a DVD's capacity..

Ciaran500 · 27-05-2006 11:02AM

Got any source for that Mercenaries statement?

LookingFor · 27-05-2006 04:09PM

Ciaran500 wrote:

Got any source for that Mercenaries statement?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100544&page=2

Look for comments by element. He works at Monolith, the guys who made FEAR. It's just what he heard at E3, take it for what you will.

monument · 27-05-2006 04:19PM

hairball wrote:

of course it could be all a load of bull being peddled in order to force us into a format we don't really want.

Then don't buy. Simple as that. Does Sony have a gun to your head?

hairball · 27-05-2006 05:54PM

monument wrote:

Then don't buy. Simple as that. Does Sony have a gun to your head?

was merely asking a question, read the rest of my post

monument · 27-05-2006 09:13PM

So, you're not saying "of course it could be all a load of bull being peddled in order to force us into a format we don't really want"?

hairball · 28-05-2006 01:32AM

well perhaps a better phrasing would be 'is it more bull being peedled that wee don't really need'...just a question man

PS3 Launch Date Confirmed

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