PS3 Launch Date Confirmed

godtabh

Link

A friend sent me this link.

Do you think sony will make this launch date?

Also there isnt an awful lot of consoles for the release date. How many 360's was there? There will be big demand and lots of crying kids come Christmas morning?

Burning Eclipse

That picture could not sum up sony better for me. I'm beginning to really dislike them, yet will still buy their console because of MGS and FFXIII and similar exclusives.... Grrr..

fdevine

Info I saw yesterday stated that the US price would be €499 and the Euro price would be €499 (which is around $635).

So while €499 is pricey, and its alot more than the yanks will pay, its not €600 AFAIK.

Price will also include a HDD according to the piece I saw. Will post a link id I can find it again.

Mossy Monk

€499 comes with 20 gb HDD
€599 comes with 60 gb HDD and other things like HDMI and so on

Europe are being screwed price wise yet again.

$599 for the 60 gig version in the states is €468.17 going by todays exchange rate. so the cheaper PS3 in Europe will cost more than the more expensive PS3 in the states. some ****ing joke tbh

Robert ninja

Don't mind the price, ever think of stealing one?

WizZard

Anyone taking pre-orders yet?

Plug

The only reason I,m going to buy it, is becouse of the next GTA and GT.
I dont realy give a sh!t about gigabites and all that kind of stuff, I just want to play it:cool:

LookingFor

Not sure, but they probably should be now that price and date have been announced.

Importing from the US could be an interesting option if the dollar remains weak. You could get the "premium" PS3 for ~€470 based on today's rate..

Ciaran500

And if you don't get stung by customs, and if it doesn't break within warrenty.

J.R.HARTLEY

Burning Eclipse wrote:

That picture could not sum up sony better for me. I'm beginning to really dislike them, yet will still buy their console because of MGS and FFXIII and similar exclusives.... Grrr..

is it true that their motion sensors are only cheap knock offs of nintendos and don't possess the full range of motion?

LookingFor

Ciaran500 wrote:

And if you don't get stung by customs, and if it doesn't break within warrenty.

There's ways around customs Warranty is always a risk. But I should confess I'm thinking of my own situation, where my brother is out in the US, and I could always send it back through him (and conversely, have him send it as a gift to avoid customs ).

J.R.HARTLEY - the controller senses full 3D motion, but it's obviously all relative to itself. If you point it at the screen, for example, it's not going to know where on the screen you're pointing at, unlike Wii. It senses Yaw, Pitch, Roll as well as "3D acceleration information".

GrumPy

Plug wrote:

The only reason I,m going to buy it, is becouse of the next GTA and GT.
I dont realy give a sh!t about gigabites and all that kind of stuff, I just want to play it:cool:

360 version will have extra downloadable content, and the 360 is €200 cheaper than the ps3's best model. I'd say alot of gamers, interested only in games such as gta, will go for the much cheaper option, and the extra content is cool too.

monument

Any you can say for sure that the PS3 GTA will not have "extra downloadable content"?

GrumPy

monument wrote:

Any you can say for sure that the PS3 GTA will not have "extra downloadable content"?

Well for the time being it seems, rockstar have a contract with MS to provide exlcusive dlc for gta over xbox live, so yes.

Slippin Jimmy

Ok, I am thinking about getting one, well hopefully anyway. I am not in the techy end of things. So I will put it to you straight. Do you think that the PS3 will be better than the Xbox 360? Which is the best one to go for spec wise?

monument

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Well for the time being it seems, rockstar have a contract with MS to provide exlcusive dlc for gta over xbox live, so yes.

Any link?

projectmayhem

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Well for the time being it seems, rockstar have a contract with MS to provide exlcusive dlc for gta over xbox live, so yes.

that was the assumption until take2 fired off another email, which was far more ambiguous, claiming there'll be exclusive content over live for "a rockstar game". speculation is leaning on table tennis. yes, that's right, table tennis.

the whole GTA thing is insanely confusing right now. it'll take a few days before there are proper answers, since (afaik) rockstar have no representation at e3

GrumPy

monument wrote:

Any link?

as project mayhem mentioned, it does seem confusing, but the link i would have posted was the actual press conference, when peter moore mentioned the dlc himself, on stage, in the same paragraph of the txt rolling offf screen for him to read, as gta.

LookingFor

DonnybrookGhost wrote:

Ok, I am thinking about getting one, well hopefully anyway. I am not in the techy end of things. So I will put it to you straight. Do you think that the PS3 will be better than the Xbox 360? Which is the best one to go for spec wise?

PS3. Their GPUs are about equal overall, but PS3's CPU is a lot more powerful. Also has a standard HDD and maybe Blu-ray which would be an enabler in some games.

Ciaran500

LookingFor wrote:

PS3. Their GPUs are about equal overall, but PS3's CPU is a lot more powerful. Also has a standard HDD and maybe Blu-ray which would be an enabler in some games.

TBH (as I've said before) I'm seriously doubting the power of the cell now, they have still yet to show anything amazing in game and anything they have shown has been no jump above 360/PC graphics.

monument

Ciaran500 wrote:

TBH (as I've said before) I'm seriously doubting the power of the cell now, they have still yet to show anything amazing in game and anything they have shown has been no jump above 360/PC graphics.

Hmm, I was there, and I remember him talking about the d/ls but dont remember anything about the 360 being the only console to get them. (edit: as allways, I could be wrong)

monument

I was right, there is currently no public deal in place that says the PS3 will not have GTA4 downloads - this comes from a person in Microsoft who handles third party publishers, just about an hour ago.

LookingFor

Ciaran500 wrote:

TBH (as I've said before) I'm seriously doubting the power of the cell now, they have still yet to show anything amazing in game and anything they have shown has been no jump above 360/PC graphics.

I wouldn't say that at all. I've seen more really high end games on PS3 coming out of E3 than on 360, certainly. And Cell is showing up in the smaller touches in a lot of PS3 games, for now - things like soft dynamics, hair, cloth etc. In other games you can see it in the physics - the likes of seemingly dynamic environment destructability in MGS4, the likes of which I haven't seen ANYWHERE else yet, if that is truly all on the fly. Games like Mercs 2 are probably starting life on PS3 for a reason too..

Anyway, here's a little detail that might interest those wondering about upgradeability etc. In this interview (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16969) Sony confirms that you'll be able to upgrade the hard disk using any standard 2.5" drive. Sony isn't even going to sell its own, you just pick up a regular one if you want to upgrade. According to 1up.com, also, you'll be able to use USB flashdrives and the like also, which might be useful on the €499 PS3..

Ciaran500

LookingFor wrote:

I wouldn't say that at all. I've seen more really high end games on PS3 coming out of E3 than on 360, certainly. And Cell is showing up in the smaller touches in a lot of PS3 games, for now - things like soft dynamics, hair, cloth etc. In other games you can see it in the physics - the likes of seemingly dynamic environment destructability in MGS4, the likes of which I haven't seen ANYWHERE else yet, if that is truly all on the fly. Games like Mercs 2 are probably starting life on PS3 for a reason too..

Like what games?

There's no way you could assume there is dynamic environment destructability in MGS4 from that trailer. Its like any other trailer where averything is scripted.

LookingFor

Ciaran500 wrote:

Like what games?

Well, MGS4, obviously, FFXIII, Lair, Naughty Dog's untitled game, Heavenly Sword even..

Ciaran500 wrote:

There's no way you could assume there is dynamic environment destructability in MGS4 from that trailer. Its like any other trailer where averything is scripted.

I'm assuming from the slowdown in that part There's little other reasonable explanation as to why it would slow down in that part and not in other places where a lot more is viewable. If that's not scripted, and I think it probably is not, it's the best destruction I've seen in a game bar none.

Ciaran500

Hideo has already said that MGS4 could be done on the 360. Lair isn't ingame. FFXIII has great art direction but there nothing there to show that the cell is all powerful, just like Heavenly Sword and Naughty Dog's game.

What part of the MGS trailer you talking about?

projectmayhem

arguing about cell's power is worthless right now IMO. if you don't think it's powerful then that's your loss. it is bloody powerful, but we're argueing over the first wave of ps3 games here. these things wont take advantage of cell, or even RSX, at all. they'll do what devs can do right now, but this slew of titles are the titles that dev teams learned how to work with ps3 on... these aren't the games where devs rubbed their hands together then did digital magic...

GrumPy

projectmayhem wrote:

it is bloody powerful,

That will only be found out when the ps3 is sitting in front of you.

chump

Does anyone have a suspicion that there will be some complete disaster/malfunction of some sort whent he ps3 ships...

How much testing could this brand new blu-ray technology have been given for example?
How many dodgey blu-ray game disks will be shipped?

I dunno, I just have a suspicion that Sony has tried to do too much with this machine.

At the very least I can imagine another delay in releasing it...

I like cars

Plug wrote:

The only reason I,m going to buy it, is becouse of the next GTA and GT.
I dont realy give a sh!t about gigabites and all that kind of stuff, I just want to play it:cool:

Or the next MGS game.
Or maybe the kind of game you like, Barbie Adventure eXtreme!

Placebo

psp- screens wernt really faulty.

hairball

Placebo wrote:

psp- screens wernt really faulty.

no...just badly manufactured:P

Retr0gamer

#Elites wrote:

well with every frist editon of consoles there will be bugs, thats just face..

look @ the PSP (dodgy butons and faulty screens)
Xbox 360 (Over heating, crashing, freezing, disk scratching)


I def wont be getting @ launch, possibly Christmass, or Febuary..

Don't remember there being any problems with launch Gamecubes, Xboxen or Sega Saturns. Sony consoles were always dodgy. I remember even the PS1 had problems. They used a plastic disc drive instead of the metal disc drive everybody else used. Early PS1 consoles would wear out the drive in about 6 months but at least Sony replaced them for free unlike now. I bet they are making a mint charging 80 euros to replace a dreadful DVD drive with an equally dreadful and cheap on and call it a repair.

I'd say the launch PS3's will be riddled with flaws as well. The blu-ray drive hasn't been tested in the home market and will no doubt be the cheapest and tackiest drive Sony could on tender. I'd say there will be a high percentage of consoles that won't work due to dodgy CPU as well (well higher than average) since the Cell is so new.

shortys94

ah well thats what the 1 year warranty is for:)

Retr0gamer

Nothing. The consoles seem to be designed to break in 18 months.

steviec

Retr0gamer wrote:

Nothing. The consoles seem to be designed to break in 18 months.

Well it beats the 360 being designed to break in 18 days

Lemlin

Anyone know of anywhere taking pre-orders yet?

Balfa

DonnybrookGhost wrote:

spec wise?

Once again, the average punter completely misses the point. Both the XBOX and GameCube are more powerful than the PS2, but most people would consider the PS2 to be the most "successful" out of the three. It's not about specs, it's about games.

shortys94

clears up some confusion

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/19/sony-clears-up-some-ps3-confusion/

LookingFor

So basically, if you care so much about 1080p Blu-ray movie playback, get the €600 version (which would probably be an absolute steal for you given what dedicated players with similar capability will cost you).

If, however, you can live with 1080p game output, and 720p/1080i Blu-ray movie playback, the €500 pack is fine - which I think would suit the vast vast majority of people.

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

projectmayhem

LookingFor wrote:

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

if ps3 is region-free it wont matter though... as you can just import the cheaper pack. of course, that'll be ny-on impossible at launch

yawnstretch

Yeah importing a new home console (unlike a portable like the DS or PSP) is a really bad idea.

You get stung in so many ways its not even funny. Thats why it's so cool all the major game companies have stopped shafting Europe as bad as they used to by doing worldwide launches.

Feckin bout time

skywalker

LookingFor wrote:

So basically, if you care so much about 1080p Blu-ray movie playback, get the €600 version (which would probably be an absolute steal for you given what dedicated players with similar capability will cost you).

If, however, you can live with 1080p game output, and 720p/1080i Blu-ray movie playback, the €500 pack is fine - which I think would suit the vast vast majority of people.

It might be a moot point, though, if SCEE won't make the €500 pack available here. But that's to be decided AFAIK.

Will HDCP work with a DVI or VGA port then? Im presuming the cheaper ps3 will have one of those ports.

Ciaran500

DVI is very similar HDMI and certain versions of it can accept HDCP. But VGA can't and the cheaper model won't be able to produce a DVI signal.

LookingFor

skywalker wrote:

Will HDCP work with a DVI or VGA port then? Im presuming the cheaper ps3 will have one of those ports.

You won't need HDCP. Studios aren't using ICT for now, in fact I believe they've agreed not to use it till early in the next decade at least. There's a lot of legal problems with it in some territories, Japan particularly.

Ciaran500

"According to the IT Media report, the AACS LA members agreed to implement ICT in such a way that countries that prohibit the use of quality restrictions on digital media, can continue to do so without inhibiting the production of AACS-compliant devices to those countries."
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2005/12/19/aacs_10_negotiations_make_progress/

Once 720p/1080p rips start appearing and get popular online, studios will start to use it.

LookingFor

I wish I could find the link, but I was sure I read they'd agreed not to use it for x number of years. Certainly, I don't think any studios are planning to use it starting out at least. Even Universal aren't, who were strong supporters of it.

Besides, if you care so much about HD movies, then you'll see a lot of value in the $600 PS3 But I think with or without HDMI you'll be able to enjoy HD output for now at least, and possibly for much of PS3's lifetime.

skywalker

Ciaran500 wrote:

DVI is very similar HDMI and certain versions of it can accept HDCP. But VGA can't and the cheaper model won't be able to produce a DVI signal.

Is it set that the cheaper one is using VGA then?

Ciaran500

We don't know if there will be a VGA connection but assuming there will be VGA/component(very similar picture quality) would be the best available.

LookingFor

Here's the news I was talking about earlier:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html

Basically component would be enough for HD movie playback for titles released up to 2010 if this news is correct.

Also, slight tangent, but the 20GB €499 pack has been confirmed for Germany. So maybe there's a glimmer of hope it'll come here too..hopefully we won't blindly follow the UK.

shortys94

Id say alot of people in Ireland will buy the PS3, alot of people have alot more money and there familiar with the Sony systems, and Asia tells alot of the time how consoles will do, they never really did like the Xbox and Xbox 360 over there, and I know they like nintendo and all that but the PS3 will do well,

This is interesting too, well i think it is:P
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2006/05/23/trade-in-values-for-xbox-360-and-psp-are-the-same-in-japan/