Stopped from buying alco chocs...

lodgepole · 15-04-2006 01:40PM

boneless wrote:

Easy solution for gettin' your own back... report the shop for having it's alcohol section open (by default) on a Good Friday

Any shops I was in just had signs up. I don't know that it's illegal to have alcoholic products on the shelves, just to sell them.

robinph · 15-04-2006 02:10PM

The chocolates surely don't come under the general licensing laws as I'm sure you would be able to buy them at any hour of the day in one of the 24hr supermarkets. It's just the guy on the checkout getting a bit carried away once he saw that they contained trace amounts of alcohol.

Lump · 15-04-2006 04:21PM

Legally the shop was in the wrong, all products containing Alcohol should be removed from the shop floor, or covered up, in order to prevent people purchasing.....

John

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 04:26PM

Lump wrote:

Legally the shop was in the wrong, all products containing Alcohol should be removed from the shop floor, or covered up, in order to prevent people purchasing.....

John

I dont think so... see my point above on mouthwash.
"Intoxicating liquor" is the term used in the Statue Book... I somehow fail to see how chocolates containing less than 6% of this substance can fail under the category.
Would brandy cakes, red wine sauces fall under same?
The pasta sauce I buy (Ragu Red Wine & Herbs) has 10% red wine...

Surely all that falls under the category are those products a liquor licence is required for.

Some info re liquor chocs in the law:

Irish Statue Book wrote:

27.—(1) Nothing in the Licensing Acts (other than this section) or in any enactment requiring the authority of an excise licence for the sale or supply of intoxicating liquor shall have effect in relation to intoxicating liquor that is in confectionery if the confectionery—

( a ) does not contain intoxicating liquor in a proportion greater than one-fiftieth of a gallon of liquor (computed as proof spirit) per pound of the confectionery, and
( b ) either consists of separate pieces each of which weighs not more-than one and one-half ounces or is designed to be broken into such pieces for the purposes of consumption.
(2) Intoxicating liquor in confectionery shall not be sold to a person who is under the age of sixteen years.

(3) A person who knowingly contravenes subsection (2) of this section shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding fifty pounds.

alleepally · 15-04-2006 05:29PM

I read the first couple of posts and could see this was headed down the route of "don't inflict religion on me" type of responses.

Well you know what. There's another culture and creed in this country that I don't subscribe to and it's rammed down my throat all the time. Radio, tv, newspapers, billboards - everywhere.

Yeah, it's alcohol. Talk to the a&e workers who have to deal with the consequences of our drinking culture, talk to the gardai as well. Talk to the social workers & counsellors. Look at the courts - every week they are full of drink related cases.

It's bugs me to high heaven when I read the usual Good Friday threads every year and people talking about how we should we modernise and move forward with a changing society.

This doesn't wash with me. There's a huge fcuking elephant in the room and no one decides to focus on it.

Someone said : "It infringes on a person's right to do as they wish without the state interfering unnecessarily."

What a load of old toss. It infringes on my rights as a citizen to be able to walk through Dublin city without having to scurry past drunken louts and pools of vomit. It infringes on my rights that my tax money is used to pump the stomachs of thousands of drunks at the weekend, when some old person who has worked their lifetime languishes on a trolly and gets no attention while the bother boys and girls who were out on the lash have to be restrained and taken care of first.

cooperguy · 15-04-2006 05:57PM

The guy at the till was just a little nutty the restriction on sale of alcohol applies to beer, cider etc. not food containing small amounts of alcohol

Kersh · 15-04-2006 06:11PM

hmmm, I dont drink,. and not many members of our family do tbh, its just that I thought it a bit 'extreme' to deny the sale of alco-chocs, its a bit , well, fanatical, isnt it.... I couldn give a sh1t about any religion... and its not like they are full of alcohol. The fact that they were alcoholic never even crossed my mind til i got to the checkout. Then I had a laugh, but I just thought i would post the experience on here, to see what you guys thought.

Alkers · 15-04-2006 06:14PM

Crucifix wrote:

That's mad. I'm suprised the guy even noticed when he was checking stuff through.

It comes up on the till when you scan them through that they're alcoholic and to ask for ID if the person doesn't look 16 or over:D

Dizzyblabla · 15-04-2006 06:17PM

so what's the story with Hotels? They are allowed to serve, no? cause I know I was drinking in a hotel until about 2am or 3am on Holy Thursday night (which was technically Good Friday) and the people I was with didn't leave the bar until about 4am!

lostexpectation · 15-04-2006 06:18PM

really so how many different 'foods' contain alcohol?
do you have to ID check for christmas brandy pudding?

the guy on the checkout is a prize idiot!

I get where you're coming from alleppally but religion isn't the answer to our alcohol problem.

The Sweeper · 15-04-2006 06:29PM

Just sounds like the guy on the checkout had a jobsworth moment to be honest.

Banning the sale of something isn't the solution to a problem of overuse and abuse. Ireland's alcohol problems are cultural the pub is virtually the only place people go for recreation. If you don't drink people around you want to know precisely why it is you're not drinking.

Then, stopping the sale of alcohol one day a year doesn't help. I think it's actually counterproductive - the queues at the off license for the days running up to Good Friday are ridiculous. "Oh no! We cannot drink for a day!! STOCK UP FOR GOD'S SAKE!!"

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 06:32PM

I was at the Morrissey gig on thursday in Kerry, The hotel bar was open for residents, the train home was serving alcohol too.

I stocked up the day before.

I'm not a catholic, why should someone elss religious beliefs be inflicted upon me?

regardless i was very drunk yesterday

Dizzyblabla · 15-04-2006 06:33PM

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

"Oh no! We cannot drink for a day!! STOCK UP FOR GOD'S SAKE!!"

ha ha ha!! it's like an oxymoron!

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 06:35PM

Dizzyblabla wrote:

ha ha ha!! it's like an oxymoron!

Is that someone who pisses on your tent at a music festival?

don't worry, I'll shut the door.......

Dizzyblabla · 15-04-2006 06:35PM

blu_sonic wrote:

I was at the Morrissey gig on thursday in Kerry, The hotel bar was open for residents, the train home was serving alcohol too.

I stocked up the day before.

I'm not a catholic, why should someone elss religious beliefs be inflicted upon me?

regardless i was very drunk yesterday

oh no? you had to get the train home? it was a great concert though, wasn't it?!!! I was too hungover to get drunk yesterday, although I may have been still drunk when I got up/checked out!

Dizzyblabla · 15-04-2006 06:36PM

whiskeyman wrote:

Is that someone who pisses on your tent at a music festival?

sure it is... if you want it to be!

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 06:37PM

yeah i got the train up to Dublin, Im seeing him tomorrow too, but the train had drink being served!

do you need ID for alcho sweets?

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 06:39PM

blu_sonic wrote:

do you need ID for alcho sweets?

yes - see my earlier post.
Age is 16, and it's from the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1962.
The fine is around €63 (50 old quid).

projectmayhem · 15-04-2006 06:42PM

i'm almost sure i've seen stores that don't sell alcohol (i.e. don't have a license to do so) selling alcohol sweets... it's not like you can get drunk off them

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 06:44PM

well i suppose then it is alcohol and under our primative laws should be enfored.

what about perfume and mouthwash?

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 06:45PM

projectmayhem wrote:

i'm almost sure i've seen stores that don't sell alcohol (i.e. don't have a license to do so) selling alcohol sweets... it's not like you can get drunk off them

That you will have seen, as long as the chocolates in question adhere to the guidelines in the liquor act (once again... see early post on page 2).

blu_sonic wrote:

what about perfume and mouthwash?

I mentioned this already..... both are not classified as "intoxicating liquors", so do not fall under the act.

Now, pass me the bottle of mint listerine like a good fella..... *hic*

dbnavan · 15-04-2006 06:48PM

You can buy Alcolohic Sweets in the euro shop, there is no age on them and it is not illegal to sell them to minors.

If the shop didnt want to sell them on Good Friday well then they should have been in a closed off area like tesco close off their off licence.

I would have got a manager involved if that was me, sounds like the guy had no clue.

Smileylynz · 15-04-2006 06:50PM

What is exactly the problem, The pubs and Off licences are closed one day of the year, and everyone gets worked up over it! Its only one day of the year! If its so important , then get it the day before!

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 06:53PM

dbnavan wrote:

You can buy Alcolohic Sweets in the euro shop, there is no age on them and it is not illegal to sell them to minors.

Actually, there is a law against it as I've stated a few times on this thread, and given the excerpt.
McDowell brought it up last April and wanted to increase the 50 quid fine as there was rumours a few entrants were going to target kids with "alcochocs".
The euroshop chocolates / sweets are probably "liquor flavoured" perhaps, as opposed to containing a proof volume?

dbnavan · 15-04-2006 06:54PM

Smileylynz wrote:

What is exactly the problem, The pubs and Off licences are closed one day of the year, and everyone gets worked up over it! Its only one day of the year! If its so important , then get it the day before!

This debate is not about buying drink on Good Friday plenty of other threads on that the question was regarding sweets which he was legally entitled to buy.

dbnavan · 15-04-2006 06:56PM

whiskeyman wrote:

Actually, there is a law against it as I've stated a few times on this thread, and given the excerpt.
McDowell brought it up last April and wanted to increase the 50 quid fine as there was rumours a few entrants were going to target kids with "alcochocs".
The euroshop chocolates / sweets are probably "liquor flavoured" perhaps, as opposed to containing a proof volume?

I stand corrected ~holds hands up~

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 07:10PM

strange that, seeing as they contain more %, maybe its because the are non edible

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 07:13PM

Smileylynz wrote:

What is exactly the problem, The pubs and Off licences are closed one day of the year, and everyone gets worked up over it! Its only one day of the year! If its so important , then get it the day before!

because i wanted to buy a drink on friday like man more peope, the basic question is whats the point?

whiskeyman · 15-04-2006 07:17PM

blu_sonic wrote:

strange that, seeing as they contain more %, maybe its because the are non edible

True, but some people don't know you're supposed to spit after use.

On a serious note, many people are killed in Russia every year from overdosing on such alcohol "surrogates" due to their cronic alcoholism problem.
Wonder if it'll get that bad over here....

blu_sonic · 15-04-2006 07:18PM

oh i know my gran recalled the "bad old days" of the 40's when alcos would drink lighter fuel etc etc

Stopped from buying alco chocs...

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