1988 IRA funeral Footage

d_mcevoy · 04-04-2006 02:27PM #1

I'm looking for images/video of.......

Two British soldiers who blundered into an IRA funeral cortège in West Belfast were killed by a lynch mob in 1988

... for a project on the conflict in the north.

scojones · 04-04-2006 02:39PM

d_mcevoy wrote:

I'm looking for images/video of.......

Two British soldiers who blundered into an IRA funeral cortège in West Belfast were killed by a lynch mob in 1988

... for a project on the conflict in the north.

I've heard about this before, never seen any footage of it though, sorry

Pigman II · 04-04-2006 02:47PM

iirc It's in the relevant ep of Reeling in the Years if that's any use to you.

Sifo · 04-04-2006 02:48PM

d_mcevoy wrote:

I'm looking for images/video of.......

Two British soldiers who blundered into an IRA funeral cortège in West Belfast were killed by a lynch mob in 1988

... for a project on the conflict in the north.

interesting project

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/16/newsid_2523000/2523953.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/24/newsid_2515000/2515041.stm

hope this helps

Peace · 04-04-2006 02:49PM

No wait, wrong incident i'm talking about.... never mind.

04-04-2006 02:51PM

Hope this helps!

biko · 04-04-2006 02:56PM

I had a look at BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/years/1988/default.stm but found only this http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/16/newsid_2523000/2523953.stm

Litcagral · 04-04-2006 02:57PM

d_mcevoy wrote:

I'm looking for images/video of.......

Two British soldiers who blundered into an IRA funeral cortège in West Belfast were killed by a lynch mob in 1988

... for a project on the conflict in the north.

RTE or BBC maybe.

It was a very dramatic and horrific incident. As far as I can remember they were driving a Ford Granada when surrounded. They tried to escape the mob but failed.I remember a man up on the car roof breaking the sunroof with a wheel brace. Animalistic behaviour. I think it was what is generally called a "defining moment".

Litcagral · 04-04-2006 03:01PM

Sifo wrote:

interesting project

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/16/newsid_2523000/2523953.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/24/newsid_2515000/2515041.stm

hope this helps

The incident the OP refers to took place several days after the linked incident. It was at the funerals of the 3(?) victims of the Michael Stone cemetry shooting/bombing that the British soldiers were ambushed.

biko · 04-04-2006 03:03PM

Wednesday 16 March 1988
Milltown Cemetery Killings
During the funerals, at Milltown Cemetery in Belfast, for the three Irish Republican Army (IRA) members killed in Gibraltar (6 March 1988) a Loyalist gunman, Michael Stone, launched a grenade and gun attack on mourners. Three people were killed and 50 injured. The whole episode was recorded by television news cameras. The police and the army had withdrawn to avoid any confrontation with the mourners. Stone was chased to a nearby motorway were he was attacked by a number of mourners. The police arrived in time to save his life. [The main loyalist paramilitary groups denied any involvement with Stone. One of those killed, Kevin Brady, was a member of the IRA.]

Saturday 19 March 1988
Army Corporals Killed
During the funeral of Kevin Brady, killed at Milltown Cemetery (16 March 1988), a car approached the funeral procession at high speed. It was claimed by some present that they feared another attack by Loyalist gunmen. The car's passage was blocked and a group of the mourners attacked the two passengers. The two men in the car were later identified as corporals Derek Wood and David Howes of the British Army. One of the soldiers fired a warning shot but both were beaten and overpowered. The two soldiers were driven to waste ground and shot dead. Part of this incident was also recorded on television news cameras. [The presence of the two soldiers in plain clothes in a republican district of Belfast was never adequately explained.]

From http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/chron/ch88.htm
News cameras - so there has to be pics somewhere.
I guess the killings days earlier also had an play in the murders.

Sifo · 04-04-2006 03:05PM

Litcagral wrote:

The incident the OP refers to took place several days after the linked incident. It was at the funerals of the 3(?) victims of the Michael Stone cemetry shooting/bombing that the British soldiers were ambushed.

well then i guess its linked to the OPs project...

theres always one :rolleyes:

Pigman II · 04-04-2006 03:05PM

Yeah it's on Relling in the Years 1988 (about 10mins in, lasts about 30seconds). Sorry but I can't offer it you. Someone else might have it.

Dyr · 04-04-2006 03:09PM

"Ambush" would suggest people laid a trap for them as opposed to them driving the wrong way up a road at high speed into a funeral procession....:rolleyes:

irlrobins · 04-04-2006 03:28PM

agh! I was looking at this video in the past 2 weeks. I'll have to see if I can remember source. Get back to you if I do.

Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgzz-uXkEkk

d_mcevoy · 04-04-2006 03:33PM

I found this but if anyone has better footage links please let me know.

http://media.putfile.com/Irish-Republican-Media---Gibralteracoma-Milt

Macker · 04-04-2006 03:51PM

Sifo wrote:

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goddamn it bingo.... always late

Linking to porn is a bit dodgy don't ye think

Sifo · 04-04-2006 03:57PM

Macker wrote:

Linking to porn is a bit dodgy don't ye think

its not a porn site, it just has links down the side... anyway big deal.. were all adults here.. well at least 90% of us are..

apologies to anyone who finds the link offensive, i just googled it...

Hagar · 04-04-2006 03:58PM

Sifo please loose the link as quickly as you can.

Beruthiel · 04-04-2006 04:09PM

Sifo wrote:

its not a porn site, it just has links down the side... anyway big deal.. were all adults here.. well at least 90% of us are...

sifo
banned from After Hours
I'll leave it to one of the AH mods to decide when to let him back in
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Scruff · 04-04-2006 04:15PM

for a project eh? hmmm...

remember seeing most of that footage years ago. dont think at the time they showed them actually being dragged away or the security camera footage of them being shot.

and to think there are still some nutters who want to return to those days....

biko · 04-04-2006 04:24PM

d_mcevoy wrote:

I'm looking for images/video of.......

Two British soldiers who blundered into an IRA funeral cortège in West Belfast were killed by a lynch mob in 1988

... for a project on the conflict in the north.

I had a look around and there are tons of videos here http://upthera.net/IRM/IRM.htm

Btw, they were shot, not hanged/lynched

irlrobins · 04-04-2006 06:11PM

biko wrote:

Btw, they were shot, not hanged/lynched

Lynch does not mean hanging. It refers to any method of killing by an non-judical group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob

biko · 04-04-2006 06:37PM

irlrobins wrote:

Lynch does not mean hanging. It refers to any method of killing by an non-judical group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob

Oh I got it from an event in Galway when James Lynch FitzStephen, the mayor, hanged his own son for murdering a Spanish guest. Guess it can be used in a wider sense.

Pigman II · 04-04-2006 06:44PM

Did anyone watch that "retort to Bill O'Reilly" from MSNBC on the site Sifo linked to (I won't provide url for obvious reasons).

Anyway what the hell was that!?! 3 minutes of some guy reading Bill O'Reilly quotes in a silly put-on voice and then retorting with lame-ass quips! I think BOR is a twat so I was expecting something biting considering it had 'pwned' in the title. In reality it was the intellectual equivilant sticking your tongue out at someone! And all this coming from some grey haired guy in his 50s! :eek:

Anyway is that what actually constitutes 'news' in america these days?

04-04-2006 06:52PM

biko wrote:

Btw, they were shot, not hanged/lynched

Eventually.

They had been subjected to a savage beating by that time, not aware if they were conscious when they were shot. They were dragged to wasteland where their 'execution' was carried out. The image of the priest kneeling beside the beaten body of a young man lying in just his socks )presume clothes torn off him in the melee) is something that should haunt anyone who grew up in the 80s and should serve as the most pressing reminder why, for all the complaints about waiting lists and infrastructure overspends, and all the glib crap from vacuous media whores like Eddie Hobbs, we have so much to thank this and recent Governments of all descriptions for.

Beer is Life · 04-04-2006 08:21PM

irlrobins wrote:

agh! I was looking at this video in the past 2 weeks. I'll have to see if I can remember source. Get back to you if I do.

Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgzz-uXkEkk

Does anyone know what music is being played here? Its haunting.

Dyr · 04-04-2006 08:39PM

the tune is "black is the colour" isnt it? its some song about the gibraltar three..lyrics are pretty brutal

patzer117 · 04-04-2006 08:55PM

biko wrote:

I had a look around and there are tons of videos here http://upthera.net/IRM/IRM.htm

Those videos are quite incredible. they're like snuff videos ffs. Crazy, but fascinating at the same time

Snickers Man · 04-04-2006 09:23PM

Litcagral wrote:

RTE or BBC maybe.

I remember a man up on the car roof breaking the sunroof with a wheel brace. Animalistic behaviour.

You can see the same man on the clip posted by sifo about the attack on the mourners at the cemetery that had taken place the previous day. About half way through it.

He's the bald guy diving into a crowd to rescue an unfortunate who was having the crap kicked out of him. The victim was a reporter on a local paper. Mobile phones were expensive items in those days and local newspapers reckoned they couldn't afford to give their reporters any. This poor creature was running towards the exit to find a pay phone to call in his scoop and people reckoned he was an accomplice of Michael Stone (the fat guy in the flat cap throwing the grenades). He would probably have been beaten to death had not baldy jumped in to rescue him because he recognised him.

Baldy, was in fact a chap called 'Cleeky' Clarke who went on to become Gerry Adams' bodyguard.

Oh and the local newspaper started equipping their reporters with phones shortly afterwards.

Or so a man told me in a pub once.

Snickers Man · 04-04-2006 09:28PM

Bambi wrote:

the tune is "black is the colour" isnt it?

It is. An old Scottish love song that Christy Moore does very well. I couldn't make head nor tail of the lyrics of the version played here.

Probably just as well.

Sparky · 04-04-2006 09:30PM

Very good videos

1988 IRA funeral Footage

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