Army/Garda patrol on M50 yesterday

Dooom · 01-04-2006 07:18PM

woody wrote:

so saying it is crap is from someone who knows Sweet FA about Pistols.

I actually happen to know quite a bit about pistols, and I never said it was crap, I said I heard they were crap (brother in the Army).

aidan_dunne · 01-04-2006 07:43PM

boneless wrote:

Indeed, a venerable pistol; accurate (as far as a pistol can be), the Hi-power BAP was my favourite weapon when I defended the country!! Sturdy too; it could take knocks.

Is it true that all the above mentioned pistols are made mostly of plastic?

Polymer, mainly, a kind of plasticy composite material, so you weren't too far off in your description.

Most modern pistols use polymer at some point in their construction but the Glock's, in particular, make extensive use of it and are famed for it. And, no, despite what Bruce Willis said in 'Die Hard' about Glocks being "plastic guns that can't be picked up by metal detectors", this isn't true, it still has lots of metal parts anyway.

And you're right about the Browning, it's a tough little legend that could take a fair few knocks alright. As I said, while perhaps not as accurate or as powerful as some of those modern pistols, even to this day it's still quite a formidable weapon in the right hands and one which I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of!

g5hn710m4xpdwy · 01-04-2006 08:03PM

im a guessing it was drugs

Woody wrote:

So seen any large confiscations lately

woody · 01-04-2006 08:18PM

muletide wrote:

Sorry Woody
There hasn't been a Battalion in Attack exercise done in the Army for a few years now and they tend to last a few days. The Army at the moment is completly devoted towards preparing for Easter and there are no Bn level Exs planned until just before the next liberia deployment in June and aat that it will be all Coy level excercises

Have a look at the Routine Orders for Recently, yes there was .....

I may not be in but I still keep a breast of everything

Hagar · 01-04-2006 08:23PM

Wasn't the BAP a 1911 design? It can't be too shabby to stand that test of time.

aidan_dunne · 01-04-2006 08:41PM

Hagar wrote:

Wasn't the BAP a 1911 design? It can't be too shabby to stand that test of time.

No, I think you're confusing it with the Colt .45 M1911, which was also designed by John Browning and looks very similar. The Browning Hi-Power was a 9mm pistol as opposed to the .45 calibre round the 1911 used (though there were later models of the 1911 also made to fire the 9mm round as well) and the Browning wasn't designed until the early '20's.

More details here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power

muletide · 01-04-2006 09:02PM

woody wrote:

Have a look at the Routine Orders for Recently, yes there was .....

I may not be in but I still keep a breast of everything

Since when do routine orders outline training exercises ?

Hagar · 01-04-2006 10:17PM

Fair enough I'm probably in error there, but even the 20's would be a respectable life span.

Manic Moran · 02-04-2006 04:33AM

The reason the Brownings are crap isn't any fault of the design or manufacture: They're so old and worn that the slide rattles around when you shake it. The American 1911A1s were about at a similar state when they finally replaced it with the Beretta. Pistols being a secondary system are very low on the purchasing totem pole, even though they become very important when you need them.

The Glock had been removed from contention last I heard. Some say because of the lack of external safety, but I'm not sure about that, as the SIGs don't come with them either. (Though I think one variant was special-made for one army with one). More likely someone saw that there's no hammer and decided it was too strange to be good.

The P226 is a steel-framed pistol. USP is a polymer frame. Both are excellent pistols. Glock is as well, though they tend to be love-or-hate relationship. I respect them as firearms, but I hate them to use, they don't fit well in my hand and the trigger safety is annoying. SIG is in the Polymer frame business as well, I own a 2340, which is a pretty good pistol as well. I've not decided if my next purchase is a USP or a Browning MkIII.

NTM

Romo · 02-04-2006 12:50PM

[QUOTE=woody

There was two convoys that day one was for the 2nd Eastern BGE Battalion in attack exercise in the Glen of Immal, the other which my father was on,well that cannot be said but all I can say is that is was not money nor explosives or weapons....

So seen any large confiscations lately

[/QUOTE]

Slab?

Lump · 02-04-2006 01:27PM

Teh Drugs!!!!!

faigs · 03-04-2006 04:51PM

Getting back to the point, it could have well been a drill, I know there is a very large one coming up in the next few weeks in the North Co Dublin area, simulating a mid-air aircraft collision where there will be an emergency response from Gardai, Ambulance and Fire Dept. Airplane wreckage, temporary hospital wards, walking wounded, the whole lot. Looking forward to seeing it

zuma · 03-04-2006 07:16PM

Manic Moran wrote:

The reason the Brownings are crap isn't any fault of the design or manufacture: They're so old and worn that the slide rattles around when you shake it. The American 1911A1s were about at a similar state when they finally replaced it with the Beretta. Pistols being a secondary system are very low on the purchasing totem pole, even though they become very important when you need them.

The Glock had been removed from contention last I heard. Some say because of the lack of external safety, but I'm not sure about that, as the SIGs don't come with them either. (Though I think one variant was special-made for one army with one). More likely someone saw that there's no hammer and decided it was too strange to be good.

The P226 is a steel-framed pistol. USP is a polymer frame. Both are excellent pistols. Glock is as well, though they tend to be love-or-hate relationship. I respect them as firearms, but I hate them to use, they don't fit well in my hand and the trigger safety is annoying. SIG is in the Polymer frame business as well, I own a 2340, which is a pretty good pistol as well. I've not decided if my next purchase is a USP or a Browning MkIII.

NTM

I dont know if I should be in awe or scared after reading the above paragraph.

Didnt realise where you lived until I had read it....but owning a hand gun is too much for me.

Spent time in the FCA until about 5 years ago myself and fired the FN/Steyr/Bren...which was fun and all but the idea of actually having them at home was scary!

Getting back to the topic....has anyone got good links to reviews of the 2 remaining guns in the competition?

Third_Echelon · 03-04-2006 07:49PM

Explosives usually have this type of convoy with them.... especially back in the day when the 'RA were about.

There is a roadstone quarry in tallaght that does a hell of a lot of blasting. I work in Citywest, and twice a week the whole place shakes with the blasting that they do in that quarry....

Manic Moran · 04-04-2006 12:49AM

zuma wrote:

I dont know if I should be in awe or scared after reading the above paragraph.

Didnt realise where you lived until I had read it....but owning a hand gun is too much for me.

Spent time in the FCA until about 5 years ago myself and fired the FN/Steyr/Bren...which was fun and all but the idea of actually having them at home was scary!

Well, they haven't jumped out of the drawer and shot anyone without my permission yet. At least, not that I know about.

See http://www.roughwheelers.com/montego/gun_cam.html for the Smith and Wesson Cam.

You do realise that all three pistols can be owned in Ireland as well?

NTM

riptide · 04-04-2006 02:14AM

Maybe it was Chuck Norris!

Jumpy · 04-04-2006 10:30AM

Brother To God wrote:

Four UN Mogwags,Pistols and new versions of the stire Machine gun.

Hate to be pedantic, but its Steyr.

Zulu · 04-04-2006 10:33AM

Jumpy wrote:

Hate to be pedantic, but its Steyr.

Evidently you don't...

Army/Garda patrol on M50 yesterday

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