Irish population to grow by a 3rd, immigrants could make up 1 in 5 by 2020

PullMyFinger! · 23-03-2006 09:38AM #1

Looks like the housing market is safe then eh?

Comments?

super_furry · 23-03-2006 09:41AM

According to who exactly?

Kojak · 23-03-2006 09:42AM

All these extra workers will be fine if the economy will continue to grow and be able to take them - if, however, it takes a downturn there will be alot of people looking assistance from the government

PullMyFinger! · 23-03-2006 09:49AM

super_furry wrote:

According to who exactly?

I thought it was all over the news this morning, or maybe it was just TV3.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005286.shtml

Delboy05 · 23-03-2006 09:56AM

super_furry wrote:

According to who exactly?

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1585137&issue_id=13831

25% of our population to be immigrants by 2020...scary. In 25 years it will have gone from about 5% to 20% - the govt have lost control in my opinion.
Germany brought in turks after the war as they needed workers...but immigrants dont go home en masse after a few years when the work drys up. They put down roots, have families (usually larger than the indigenous population). So now that Germany has 10% or so unemployment and has been in a slump for the last 10 years , they have 3m turks alone, or so that cause a lot of resentment amongst the native german workforce, especially in the areas of low paid employment.

I just cannot see why the govt. here is so hell bent on risking the long term future,shape and culture of our country for the sake of 10 odd years of above average economic growth.......Have we being asked if we want this continued unlimited immigration to continue???? Has anyone looked at the long term ramifications (see riots in France, murder of film makers in holland, riots in the Uk, suicide bombings in the UK/Spain).....

Tazz T · 23-03-2006 09:59AM

It's all well and good encouraging workers to come here to stimulate the economy, but the government are doing very little to provide the infrastructure for the increase in population. Which is where the big problems will lie in the future.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 23-03-2006 10:18AM

Tazz T wrote:

It's all well and good encouraging workers to come here to stimulate the economy, but the government are doing very little to provide the infrastructure for the increase in population. Which is where the big problems will lie in the future.

Report is by NCB Stockbrokers - you can download the full report from their website.

The government is not 'doing very little'. I think you just threw that out as a stock reply. The country built 80,000 houses last year, new roads, railways, hospital spaces, schools are coming online... That sounds like doing something, rather than nothing...

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 23-03-2006 10:20AM

PullMyFinger! wrote:

immigrants could make up 1 in 5 by 2020

Irish-descent people make up 30% of Manchester, maybe we could all move there?

PullMyFinger! · 23-03-2006 11:25AM

Roundtower2 wrote:

Irish-descent people make up 30% of Manchester, maybe we could all move there?

I was just stating the facts, I have no problem with it.

MrJoeSoap · 23-03-2006 11:31AM

Roundtower2 wrote:

Irish-descent people make up 30% of Manchester, maybe we could all move there?

Major difference between "immigrants" and "people of X descent".

Tazz T · 23-03-2006 11:39AM

Roundtower2 wrote:

Report is by NCB Stockbrokers - you can download the full report from their website.

The government is not 'doing very little'. I think you just threw that out as a stock reply. The country built 80,000 houses last year, new roads, railways, hospital spaces, schools are coming online... That sounds like doing something, rather than nothing...

We have an appalling rail network. The majority of these people will be living in a vastly increased Dublin. The Luas may have been expanded and we'll have a metro to the airport, but there are very few plans to get these people to work. There certainly won't be an underground system like London in 2020.

PullMyFinger! · 23-03-2006 11:54AM

Australia anyone?

Fitzer123 · 23-03-2006 11:56AM

We need workers to handle the growth in the economy and there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures.

It was not so long ago that we were the immigrants.

The problem here is the Governments lack of planning when intigrating people into society and the fact that they would not allow people to work upon their arrival in Ireland but we simply blame immigrants and called them spongers.

The percentage of unemployed immigrants is so low that I would be surprised if they made up a half of one percent of the population.

Dyr · 23-03-2006 12:28PM

there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures

Such as? Ive heard this a lot but no-one ever lists them

Dilly1 · 23-03-2006 12:59PM

Tazz T wrote:

It's all well and good encouraging workers to come here to stimulate the economy, but the government are doing very little to provide the infrastructure for the increase in population. Which is where the big problems will lie in the future.

The Government have no control over what is happening now, so you can bet your house (had to get that joke in) that they will totally screw it all up and leave Ireland full of slums with no proper infrastructure in place. :eek:

Dilly1 · 23-03-2006 01:08PM

Bambi wrote:

there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures

Such as? Ive heard this a lot but no-one ever lists them

Better looking women.

Better at sports because the population will no longer consist totally of piss heads.

23-03-2006 01:20PM

Bambi wrote:

there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures

Such as? Ive heard this a lot but no-one ever lists them

I don't know about a proper list of benefits but I can think of a few.

For example the influx of foreigners coming to live here, has at least raised the standard of women in the country. Its amazing the number of very attractive women I see around these days.

Added to this is the personality differences. For the most part, the immigrants coming into the country are quite good natured, and generous. I have polish tenants on either side of my house, and they're extremely nice people. As are the Lithuanian couple a few doors down. The only time I met my Irish neighbours was when they had something to complain about.

The increase of new cultures helps to drive us away from the traditional mindset that tends to rule the country. The Angelus at 6 on the TV is a prime example. Little things but they do show how traditional and slow changing Ireland is at times.

Added to this, new citizens means new voters. Do you really think these new people will tolerate the same crap that we've put up with from the government? irish people traditionally won't give a **** about things, as long as it doesn't directly affect them, and even then, we're reluctant to get off our asses to do anything about it. New voters, and new citizens would at least give some potential movement away from this kind of attitude.

But overall, I quite like the fresh infusion of blood into the country. Ireland is a bit self-involved, and the newcomers will add a bit of spice to personal relationships, and even just general nightlife.

Lol. Overall, it sounds very good to me. Two Thumbs up.

jsr · 23-03-2006 02:20PM

Bambi wrote:

there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures

Such as? Ive heard this a lot but no-one ever lists them

Any you couldn't think of any of your own?:rolleyes:
The Food people, don't forget about the food. Gone are the days of the spud as the staple. We now have dishes from all over the world cooked by people who know what they taste like. Damn immigrants coming in here taking our pots (bless 'em).

franksm · 23-03-2006 02:33PM

Bambi wrote:

there are so many benifits to having a mix of cultures

Such as? Ive heard this a lot but no-one ever lists them

makes for good variation of the gene pool

Dyr · 23-03-2006 02:40PM

franksm makes a compelling argument, franksm for teh win. Everyone else nil point for vague generalisation's and the usual stereotyping.

And i like the angelus, its ringy

Galvia · 23-03-2006 02:45PM

Delboy05 wrote:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1585137&issue_id=13831

25% of our population to be immigrants by 2020...scary.

Have we being asked if we want this continued unlimited immigration to continue????

I'm descended from one of the original 14 tribes of Gaillimh. There's a lot of debate on how they got here. Ireland is a land of immigrants. It's just when you start the clock and claim native versus immigrant. So is this an argument of supply and demand, and how letting too many immigrants into the present day country would impact on the job market? If so, what would be the appropriate percentage to set annual immigration at, and based upon what criteria? Or is this an opinion about natives verses immigrants, which is problematic and essentially unsupportable given Ireland's history of immigration?

justsomebloke · 23-03-2006 03:12PM

Bambi wrote:

And i like the angelus, its ringy

LOL, ye they should think of doing a few different remixes add some new life to it,

anyway i don't care how many immigrants there are once everyone is having lots and lots of babies so there is a good large workforce to help to pay my pension when i retire in 45 odd years or so at 70ish

Gurgle · 23-03-2006 03:18PM

jsb wrote:

anyway i don't care how many immigrants there are once everyone is having lots and lots of babies so there is a good large workforce to help to pay my pension when i retire in 45 odd years or so at 70ish

Same for me, and a 23 yo wife with Halle Berry's complexion to entertain me during my retirement.

jimbono1 · 23-03-2006 03:30PM

I suggest anyone who thinks because of the influx of immigrants that everythings gonna be great and well have beautiful women, amazing food and the likes, that they try living in Peckham in London for a good few years, trust me, your opinion will change very fast. Very very fast

franksm · 23-03-2006 03:43PM

s'long as we don't have to start driving on the right

24-03-2006 12:37AM

I suggest anyone who thinks because of the influx of immigrants that everythings gonna be great and well have beautiful women, amazing food and the likes, that they try living in Peckham in London for a good few years, trust me, your opinion will change very fast. Very very fast

Dont know much abt Peckham, what sort of immigrants settled there?

Thing is that the immigration to Ireland is a recent thing. They're bringing with them a very different culture, educational qualities, etc compared to that of the 200+ years that England had with people coming from the colonies. Added to that England received a large boost in immigration during the 60's and 70's which contained mostly people of the arab/muslim variety.

Ireland on the other hand is receiving large numbers of eastern europeans, who for the most part have fairly decent educations, no real religious issues, and their political views are quite moderate. There is a crime element that will come over but that would happen with any immigration.

You cant really compare areas in England where immigration has been occuring for decades, to Ireland where the immigration has just really begun, and under different circumstances.

Bard · 24-03-2006 12:57AM

tbh, driving on the right makes more sense to me in a few ways...

I just can't remember any specific examples

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 24-03-2006 01:48AM

as the report by NCB pointed out - most immigrants have above average education qualifications - surely going to help Ireland in the long run

- think the key issue is that we do what we did to the Normans and Vikings, make them feel "more Irish than the Irish themselves". Then we have a young population who are all pulling in the same direction. Make people feel alienated and they (obviously) won't feel part of society.

The huge issue for Ireland is that, like other European countries, we are getting older. As we get older we have to pay more in healthcare and pensions. If costs rise, then taxes have to rise.

Immigrants keep us younger, as they tend to be younger.

I really don't see it as an issue AND i realise that the OP wasn't trying to make it an issue. Although, there should be some sort of attempt at integration, maybe at a government level.

Perhaps, we can all celebrate Polish Day (is there one?), Chinese New Year etc in an attempt to get to know our new inhabitants?

blu_sonic · 24-03-2006 01:58AM

jimbono1 wrote:

I suggest anyone who thinks because of the influx of immigrants that everythings gonna be great and well have beautiful women, amazing food and the likes, that they try living in Peckham in London for a good few years, trust me, your opinion will change very fast. Very very fast

i lived in golders green for about a year and a half, before that i was in brixton and sutton, so i moved about london to say the least. i'm back in dublin at the mo.

i think it brings a lot of culture to the city as long as people aren't ghettoised which undoubtly will happen, londons so big it can cope with the influx but dublin being so small might have a problem accomadating these people.

Siogfinsceal · 24-03-2006 11:38AM

Delboy05 wrote:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1585137&issue_id=13831

25% of our population to be immigrants by 2020...scary. In 25 years it will have gone from about 5% to 20% - the govt have lost control in my opinion.
Germany brought in turks after the war as they needed workers...but immigrants dont go home en masse after a few years when the work drys up. They put down roots, have families (usually larger than the indigenous population). So now that Germany has 10% or so unemployment and has been in a slump for the last 10 years , they have 3m turks alone, or so that cause a lot of resentment amongst the native german workforce, especially in the areas of low paid employment.

I just cannot see why the govt. here is so hell bent on risking the long term future,shape and culture of our country for the sake of 10 odd years of above average economic growth.......Have we being asked if we want this continued unlimited immigration to continue???? Has anyone looked at the long term ramifications (see riots in France, murder of film makers in holland, riots in the Uk, suicide bombings in the UK/Spain).....

exactly I have been called ar acist and xenophobe for expressing similar views before. Im not either of those things I just do not understand why the government is encouraging such a hugh influx of peoople when we do not have enough infastrcuture to support them - if the economy hits a down turn we are screwed lads. . There are houses being built on every green pactch in sight but still not enough to match current demand let alone future demand. ?

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 24-03-2006 12:07PM

Siogfinsceal wrote:

I just do not understand why the government is encouraging such a hugh influx of peoople when we do not have enough infastrcuture to support them

First off, glad to have Irish people with your level of grammer and spelling on boards

Second, the government is not 'encouraging' people to come here. How do you feel they are doing that? Are they sending them each a letter saying, howerya lad, want to come to Ireland and take my voter's jobs?"

Third, how have you personally been affected by the issue?

Fourth, the economy is forecast to grow at 6 percent per year for the next four years, primarily as a result of the increase in immigrants, so no economic downturn is expected.

Fifth, read my previous post re pensions