Irish drivers

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 11:40AM

The OP wrote:

No. I think they should brake.
But I have no sympathy for dumb pedestrians acting carelessly if they get knocked down. I also believe the driver had it under control, and had given himself enough time to stop completely if a sheep strayed from the flock.

How could you know if he had it under control or not? I'm telling you that he nearly hit someone. If you think that its ok because he managed to stop before hitting me (other side of the crowd) then you shouldnt be driving.

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 11:41AM

The OP wrote:

I understand that, but I don't agree with it, which is my point. Why do we always have to cater for the lowest common denominator?

ok, thats just plain silly. Its catering for 'people'. The speed limit of the city centre is going to come down to 30kph very shortly. Do you know why that is?

The OP · 13-03-2006 11:44AM

40YardScreamer wrote:

ok, thats just plain silly. Its catering for 'people'. The speed limit of the city centre is going to come down to 30kph very shortly. Do you know why that is?

To cater for the lowest common denominator? i.e. Pedestrians who cross in front of cars and cause accidents.

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 11:51AM

The OP wrote:

To cater for the lowest common denominator? i.e. Pedestrians who cross in front of cars and cause accidents.

The rules of the road will tell you that cars drivers cause accidents not pedestrians. You've got it all backwards mate. If you are driving safely, you wont knock someone down. You especially wont if your driving safely in the situation which arose today for me. You need to read the rules of the road. They are not designed to allow people to be wreckless. They are designed to stop drivers from being wreckless.

The OP · 13-03-2006 11:53AM

Listen to yourself, 40YardScreamer. You were daydreaming, and you walked in front of a car that YOU SAW COMING, whilst also defying the pedestrian lights which displayed a Red man. But hey, here's hoping more rules & legislation imposed on the rest of us will protect you from your own stupidity in the future.
Maybe you should campaign for a sign to be put up at that junction: "Careful now, there might be a car on the road, of all places", or maybe a "Please wait for green man" sign.

I have no time for stupid, dozy people. It's the reason we have so many rules & disclaimers: because we have to cater for the dumbest person around, in case they do something stupid. "Please do not drink this bleach"

Kiera · 13-03-2006 11:58AM

40YardScreamer wrote:

The rules of the road will tell you that cars drivers cause accidents not pedestrians. You've got it all backwards mate. If you are driving safely, you wont knock someone down. You especially wont if your driving safely in the situation which arose today for me. You need to read the rules of the road. They are not designed to allow people to be wreckless. They are designed to stop drivers from being wreckless.

What are traffic lights for? If you are stupid enough to walk across the road while a car is coming towards then you deserve a smack of it. Just because you think you know exactly how fast the car is going doesn’t mean you are right. You were the dozy idiot for crossing the road while a car was driving towards you. You were in town where there are loads of traffic lights, try using them next time!!

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 11:58AM

The OP wrote:

Listen to yourself, 40YardScreamer. You were daydreaming, and you walked in front of a car that YOU SAW COMING, whilst also defying the pedestrian lights which displayed a Red man. But hey, here's hoping more rules & legislation imposed on the rest of us will protect you from your own stupidity in the future.
Maybe you should campaign for a sign to be put up at that junction: "Careful now, there might be a car on the road, of all places", or maybe a "Please wait for green man" sign.

I have no time for stupid, dozy people. It's the reason we have so many rules & disclaimers: because we have to cater for the dumbest person around, in case they do something stupid. "Please do not drink this bleach"

I admire the way you use the pedestrian lights everytime you cross the road. Well done. Let me add for the 1 millionth time that I did not just walk out in front of a car. I crossed the road without him being near me. You cant grasp that can you?

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 11:59AM

Kiera wrote:

What are traffic lights for? If you are stupid enough to walk across the road while a car is coming towards then you deserve a smack of it. Just because you think you know exactly how fast the car is going doesn’t mean you are right. You were the dozy idiot for crossing the road while a car was driving towards you. You were in town where there are loads of traffic lights, try using them next time!!

Thanks, you too have missed the point though.

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:02PM

Kiera wrote:

What are traffic lights for? If you are stupid enough to walk across the road while a car is coming towards then you deserve a smack of it. Just because you think you know exactly how fast the car is going doesn’t mean you are right. You were the dozy idiot for crossing the road while a car was driving towards you. You were in town where there are loads of traffic lights, try using them next time!!

Here here.

But '40YardScreamer' will probably just say: "but there was no sign telling me not to run in front of a moving vehicle! How was I suppossed to know? We need to slow cars down more, so traffic moves even slower in the city. That's the solution! Because I refuse to obey the traffic lights!! I demand right of way over moving vehicles on the road"

lol - idiot.

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:03PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

I crossed the road without him being near me. You cant grasp that can you?

Eh, no. You admitted twice that you misjudged the situation.

Kiera · 13-03-2006 12:03PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

Thanks, you too have missed the point though.

No I haven’t. You walked out onto a main road with an oncoming car and come on here to bitch about it thiking people will say you’re right!

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:05PM

The OP wrote:

Here here.

But '40YardScreamer' will probably just say: "but there was no sign telling me not to run in front of a moving vehicle! How was I suppossed to know? We need to slow cars down more, so traffic moves even slower in the city. That's the solution! Because I refuse to obey the traffic lights!! I demand right of way over moving vehicles on the road"

lol - idiot.

When did I say this? This is a type of attitude that boils my blood. Putting words into other peoples mouths as thats the only way you can get your point across. I know the rules of the road, I know hwo the traffic lights work, I also know that when it is clear to walk I will walk. Are you saying that you dont?

Vegeta · 13-03-2006 12:05PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

The rules of the road will tell you that cars drivers cause accidents not pedestrians. You've got it all backwards mate. If you are driving safely, you wont knock someone down. You especially wont if your driving safely in the situation which arose today for me. You need to read the rules of the road. They are not designed to allow people to be wreckless. They are designed to stop drivers from being wreckless.

Not true, if someone, say a blind and deaf guy walks out in front of your car and you are driving by the rules of the road, you're screwed, if he walks out close enough even if only doin 50kph you'll still hit him even driving by the rules of the road. Yes people have the right of way but if someone steps off a curb or path 2 meters in front of your car you're screwed.

A kid was killed here in Limerick before xmas cos he walked out in front of a car in a 100kph zone, driver didn't even get to brake the kid gave him that little room.

I don't agree with what the driver in your story did.

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:08PM

It happens me all the time when I drive through Dublin (but I do slow down) - flocks of people start crossing the road when I'm coming towards them from a small distance, and it pisses me off. Each time, I have to almost stop to wait for them all, so none of them judged the situation right.
I have to slow down because these idiots can't wait 30 extra secs for a green man - I admit, I HAVE to do it, as I wouldn't accelerate for safety reasons, but why should I have to cater to these dozy goons, when its not my fault?

Vegeta · 13-03-2006 12:08PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

When did I say this? This is a type of attitude that boils my blood. Putting words into other peoples mouths as thats the only way you can get your point across. I know the rules of the road, I know hwo the traffic lights work, I also know that when it is clear to walk I will walk. Are you saying that you dont?

well it obviously wasn't clear to walk when there was a BMW coming!

DublinWriter · 13-03-2006 12:09PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

Walking across the street today. Was in a bit of a day dream...

Well there you go then. You decide to cross one of Dublin's busiest roads when the signal was red and while you were in la-la-land...

...and as both a driver *and* a pedestrian, I actually obey traffic lights and don't come on here to bitch about the consequences when I don't obey them.

Perhaps you should have called this thread "Irish Pedestrians"

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:09PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

When did I say this?

I'm summarising your posts.

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:10PM

Vegeta wrote:

Not true, if someone, say a blind and deaf guy walks out in front of your car and you are driving by the rules of the road, you're screwed, if he walks out close enough even if only doin 50kph you'll still hit him even driving by the rules of the road. Yes people have the right of way but if someone steps off a curb or path 2 meters in front of your car you're screwed.

A kid was killed here in Limerick before xmas cos he walked out in front of a car in a 100kph zone, driver didn't even get to brake the kid gave him that little room.

I don't agree with what the driver in your story did.

I went on the hibernian advanced driving course about 2 years ago. It was highlighting the causes of accidents and who is to blame and why. It made a valid point that firstly the enviroment is never at fault for the accident, it may only be a percentage to blame but not enough to put all the blame on. Secondly, in a situation like you just said, the driver is at fault because, even though the speed limit allows him to travel at such a speed. He has to be able to break in time for anything that might get in his way.

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:12PM

The OP wrote:

It happens me all the time when I drive through Dublin (but I do slow down) - flocks of people start crossing the road when I'm coming towards them from a small distance, and it pisses me off. Each time, I have to almost stop to wait for them all, so none of them judged the situation right.
I have to slow down because these idiots can't wait 30 extra secs for a green man - I admit, I HAVE to do it, as I wouldn't accelerate for safety reasons, but why should I have to cater to these dozy goons, when its not my fault?

Well, I think this is what you had in your mind when I posted this. Its not the same situation as I didnt just walk out in front of the car. I know what your saying as I drive myself and it happens. I too slow down and give the right of way and it annoys me. But in this situation the driver behaved appaulingly. I have no doubt that if there was a garda around, he would have ended up in court. This is not a typical 'pedestrians are in my way' situation.

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:13PM

Vegeta wrote:

well it obviously wasn't clear to walk when there was a BMW coming!

it was clear to walk.

Kiera · 13-03-2006 12:13PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

He has to be able to break in time for anything that might get in his way.

Like some tool who thinks he'll make it across the road before the car hits him :rolleyes:

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:14PM

Kiera wrote:

Like some tool who thinks he'll make it across the road before the car hits him :rolleyes:

again, you've missed the point. I didnt walk out on the road giving the driver milliseconds to make a decision from high speed. There was no danger when I was crossing.

Vegeta · 13-03-2006 12:14PM

DublinWriter wrote:

Well there you go then. You decide to cross one of Dublin's busiest roads when the signal was red and while you were in la-la-land...

...and as both a driver *and* a pedestrian, I actually obey traffic lights and don't come on here to bitch about the consequences when I don't obey them.

Perhaps you should have called this thread "Irish Pedestrians"

That's a good point DublinWriter Ireland does have some pretty dangerous pedestrians, my friend did his work experience for college in Germany and said everyone obeyed the pedestrian lights there, regardless of traffic.

I also hate people who park on the side of a narrow busy street and then open their car door good and wide without looking

DublinWriter · 13-03-2006 12:18PM

Vegeta wrote:

That's a good point DublinWriter Ireland does have some pretty dangerous pedestrians, my friend did his work experience for college in Germany and said everyone obeyed the pedestrian lights there, regardless of traffic.

I worked in Frankfurt and *every* pedestrian waited on the green-man, even if the road was totally devoid of any cars. It was an eerie sight sometimes! I remember every pedestrian crossing had a sign in German that read "Always wait for the green man and give good example to the children".

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:20PM

DublinWriter wrote:

I worked in Frankfurt and *every* pedestrian waited on the green-man, even if the road was totally devoid of any cars. It was an eerie sight sometimes! I remember every pedestrian crossing had a sign in German that read "Always wait for the green man and give good example to the children".

Ok, I commend that. Very admirable. But my actual point seems to have gone astray here. There is no way I'd dart across the road. Especially when I'm carrying a hot coffee. I was making it across the road but, and this may seem like backtracking, after seeing the bmw a good distance away, I took my attention off him and proceeded to walk. In no time at all he was nearly into us. Thats the serious issue I was making. He was behaving wrecklessly.

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:21PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

I went on the hibernian advanced driving course about 2 years ago.

Ah man, this gets even better. And you STILL walked in front of a moving vehicle. Did you learn nothing?

He has to be able to break in time for anything that might get in his way.

What if someone jumps out in front of a car on a motorway with only 2 metres to spare?? It's not that black or white.

Kiera · 13-03-2006 12:22PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

again, you've missed the point. I didnt walk out on the road giving the driver milliseconds to make a decision from high speed. There was no danger when I was crossing.

I think you are missing the point. You did a stupid careless thing and you now expect everyone on here to agree with you. You really aren’t putting you case across properly if its sympathy you are looking for. Why cant you see that what you did was utterly silly? Grow some balls and accept what you did was wrong! Maybe now you’ll wait for the green man?

40YardScreamer · 13-03-2006 12:22PM

Kiera wrote:

I think you are missing the point. You did a stupid careless thing and you now expect everyone on here to agree with you. You really aren’t putting you case across properly if its sympathy you are looking for. Why cant you see that what you did was utterly silly? Grow some balls and accept what you did was wrong! Maybe now you’ll wait for the green man?

But I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm making the point of a careless driver. I'm not suggesting that you are defeding him for what he did but you are not considering the actual situation.

The OP · 13-03-2006 12:24PM

40YardScreamer wrote:

There was no danger when I was crossing.

But you said you were daydreaming, and misjudged the speed of the car. In other words: there was a danger, but you just weren't AWARE of it.

WhiteWashMan · 13-03-2006 12:24PM

we had the pleasure of seeing a young man get hit and killed outside of our house a few months ago.
he was a traffic lights corssing, but for some reason decided that he wouldnt bother waiting for the lights to go green, instead got hit and killed by a boy racer.

who was i the wrong?

whlie the boy rcer was certainly doing nothing wrong, the pedestrian walked out in front of the car.

you know, you can complain all you want about cars and drivers being wnkers, and beemer drivers all being idiots (although, thats just stupid thinking. its a bit like saying all women drivers are idiots...), but if you get hit by a car, it doesnt matter how in the right you are, youre still dead.
at least by observing the rules of the road and using pedestrian crossings, the risk is a whole lot lower...

anyone that walks into a road can have no complaints as far as im concerned, and while i wouldnt wish it on anyone, anyone who does it, is a fcking idiot.
you would point a loaded rifle at your head, why would you walk infront of cars?

Irish drivers

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