Who will you vote for?

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 11:12AM

DaveMcG wrote:

No parties will go into a coalition with SF, so ye needn't worry...

maybe not in the next election, but in the future...do you think in a few years FF, for example, looking at the chance for a few years in power would turn SF down? i dont think so IMO. you will see SF in some coalition in the next 10 years, sadly. it will be a real kick in the face to this state and all who have suffered down here in the past 30 years.

Dave! · 10-03-2006 11:16AM

Aye, fair point... I think Bertie actually said that he won't rule out a coalition with any party, because if that's what the people what, etc etc. -- I guess he sees them possibly needing SF in the future too.

el tel · 10-03-2006 11:19AM

ivan087 wrote:

maybe not in the next election, but in the future...do you think in a few years FF, for example, looking at the chance for a few years in power would turn SF down? i dont think so IMO. you will see SF in some coalition in the next 10 years, sadly. it will be a real kick in the face to this state and all who have suffered down here in the past 30 years.

I would just like to hope that democracy prevails, with every person having the right to be represented by the party they choose, regardless of what that party stands for. All the accusations against them aside, you can't forget that Sinn Fein represent many people who have suferred much more than you could ever imagine and that is the source of much of their support.

cruiserweight · 10-03-2006 11:20AM

DaveMcG wrote:

Aye, fair point... I think Bertie actually said that he won't rule out a coalition with any party, because if that's what the people what, etc etc. -- I guess he sees them possibly needing SF in the future too.

I think Bertie said he would not go into coalition with Sinn Fein!

Dave! · 10-03-2006 11:25AM

heh, apparantly you're right

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=bertie+ahern+coalition+sinn+fein&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

coulda sworn I heard that on the radio though

oh well

LegacyUser · 10-03-2006 11:28AM

toString wrote:

Looking at the poll so far, I hope this is not a reflection of the country vote, the last thing this country needs is Sinn Fein/IRA getting a large number of votes

Why do you say that? I am just curious as to your reasoning

ferdi · 10-03-2006 11:32AM

none of them. they're all cowboys.

sprinkles · 10-03-2006 11:50AM

I love the way people still call Sin Fein - Sin Fein/Ira, and yet the DUP aren't called - DUP/UDA....despite the evidence proving member involvement in both parties.........:rolleyes:

Personally I would like to see anyone in power (incl Sin fein) if I thought they would do a better job than the current chancers. The PD's are the root of the problems in power at the minute, FF aren't a hell of a lot better mind you.

PS: Just remember that FF grew from paramilitary origins

LundiMardi · 10-03-2006 11:51AM

can't say i even know the difference between the different parties..

Gurgle · 10-03-2006 11:52AM

I've got 2 problems with that poll:
> Where are the independants?
> Where is 'Atari Jaguar'?

tbh · 10-03-2006 11:54AM

toString wrote:

The day Sinn Fein get into power, I'll be on the first plane out of here

hopefully, it'll be a spaceship.

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 12:05PM

sprinkles wrote:

I love the way people still call Sin Fein - Sin Fein/Ira, and yet the DUP aren't called - DUP/UDA....despite the evidence proving member involvement in both parties.........:rolleyes:

yeah members of DUP have been associated with the UDA. But - the DUP deplore all violance. They dont pick and choose what crimes are really crimes, whether its loyalist or republican. im not saying that i agree with the DUP, they are a party that have deep rooted bigots, but at least they are democratic and dont support violence.

mise_me_fein_V2 · 10-03-2006 12:14PM

toString wrote:

The day Sinn Fein get into power, I'll be on the first plane out of here

What difference is there between what Michael Collins and Gerry Adams did.

When De Valera took power it wasn't long after the time he had been associated with so called murderers.

Would you have left the country when De Valera took power years ago the first time Fianna Fail went into power?

tbh · 10-03-2006 12:18PM

Michael Collins was never involved with Drug Dealers.
Michael Collins' men never blew up children.
Michael Collins put the wellbeing of the Country above his own life.

phantom_lord · 10-03-2006 12:24PM

Now that i can finally vote....Ill probably vote Fianna Fail because I see them as the 'least worst' option.

mise_me_fein_V2 · 10-03-2006 12:28PM

The IRA did what they had to do in the 1910s and 20s to fund the campaign. The world is a changed place and freedom fighters have adapted.

When did Gerry Adams blow up children?

It would not have been his intention.

He would not have planned that.

Gerry Adams would have died for Ireland I am sure, just like the Hunger Strikers did.

I think you are comparing the Real IRA and not the Provisionals.

TheVan · 10-03-2006 12:29PM

PDs for the win!

tbh · 10-03-2006 12:33PM

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

The IRA did what they had to do in the 1910s and 20s to fund the campaign. The world is a changed place and freedom fighters have adapted.

When did Gerry Adams blow up children?

It would not have been his intention.

He would not have planned that.

Gerry Adams would have died for Ireland I am sure, just like the Hunger Strikers did.

I think you are comparing the Real IRA and not the Provisionals.

I said Michael Collins' men, not Michael Collins.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stories/march/20/newsid_2544000/2544121.stm

doesn't matter what their intention was, planting a bomb in a street is the act of a scumbag, and a coward.

tbh · 10-03-2006 12:34PM

tbh wrote:

Gerry Adams would have died for Ireland I am sure, just like the Hunger Strikers did..

by the way - hunger strikers? pawns.

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 12:34PM

phantom_lord wrote:

Now that i can finally vote....Ill probably vote Fianna Fail because I see them as the 'least worst' option.

dont vote FF, they've been in power for 18 of the past 20 years!!! its just not right. they've become stale, ran out of ideas, and very very arrogant. its just time for a change.

the economy is fine, but look at EVERY other aspect of the country - transport, health, education - they're all a mess. dont let the reason that everyones in a job fool you into the fact that the country is doing alright. its easy to set a low tax for foreign companies to invest in a country. thats not good politics. good politics is in managing a healthy society. something that this country is not, and its only getting worse.

and to a previous poster - comparing adams to collins - FFS

el tel · 10-03-2006 12:36PM

ivan087 wrote:

yeah members of DUP have been associated with the UDA. But - the DUP deplore all violance. They dont pick and choose what crimes are really crimes, whether its loyalist or republican. im not saying that i agree with the DUP, they are a party that have deep rooted bigots, but at least they are democratic and dont support violence.

Do the DUP deplore all violence indeed?
Haven't you heard of "Ulster Protestant Action", "Ulster Resistance", and the '"Third Force" all of which are loyalist paramilitary organisations founded by Ian Paisely and having DUP members in their ranks?
Should you care to inform yourself further see here: http://www.inc.ie/duped.html

The DUP are usually tight-lipped on matters of Loyalist violence for fear of losing the hard-line electoral support. They also rarely acknowledge that since the ceasefires, Loyalist groups have been responsible for the murder over 30 Protestant people.

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 12:40PM

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

The IRA did what they had to do in the 1910s and 20s to fund the campaign. The world is a changed place and freedom fighters have adapted.

When did Gerry Adams blow up children?

It would not have been his intention.

He would not have planned that.

Gerry Adams would have died for Ireland I am sure, just like the Hunger Strikers did.

I think you are comparing the Real IRA and not the Provisionals.

one more point - give up the SF/IRA propaganda. read your history. read who the PIRA killed. im not too sure, but i think the IRA killed more catholics then prodestants. also, thats if you count prodestants as a legitimate target. they are irishmen and irish women. the IRA werent fighting the british as much as they were blowing up irish people because of a religon. collins and his men, even if you dont agree with their politics, targeted security forces, they acted like an irish army at a time when there was none. the PIRA acted like a terrorist organisation where blowing up any ol prod was a legitimate action. adams was a part of that. when the IRA blew up CHILDREN he would say it was an accident of war. SICK. its shameful that people make excuses for these people.

sprinkles · 10-03-2006 12:47PM

ivan087 wrote:

yeah members of DUP have been associated with the UDA. But - the DUP deplore all violance. They dont pick and choose what crimes are really crimes, whether its loyalist or republican. im not saying that i agree with the DUP, they are a party that have deep rooted bigots, but at least they are democratic and dont support violence.

They don't condone it either when it suits them. Sin Fein have condoned violence in the north in the same fashion that the DUP have, yet they are brandished murderers and the DUP maintain the moral high ground....

I sound like a Sin Fein spokeman here...which I assure you I am far from, it just annoys me the single minded view people have based solely on the predudices insired by certain aspects of the media and a certain minister for Justice.

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

The IRA did what they had to do in the 1910s and 20s to fund the campaign. The world is a changed place and freedom fighters have adapted.

When did Gerry Adams blow up children?

It would not have been his intention.

He would not have planned that.

Gerry Adams would have died for Ireland I am sure, just like the Hunger Strikers did.

I think you are comparing the Real IRA and not the Provisionals.

Well said. It's obvious that Gerry was involved at some point in the republican armed struggle in the north, but so were many current shop owners/school teachers/etc..

The fact of the matter is that the north 30 years ago was a completely different place to what it is now. People in the South (me included) have no idea of what it must have been like living under foreign rule, persecuted for your religion and beliefs in such a fashion. I don't condone violence in any way shape or form but I also don't think that the north would be in the position it is in now, in relative peace and a great deal more equality for both sides if it was not for the armed struggle. Remember that the democratic line was taken before the violence broke out and got them no where.

Anyway back on topic.....anyone but the PD's

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 12:47PM

el tel wrote:

Do the DUP deplore all violence indeed?
Haven't you heard of "Ulster Protestant Action", "Ulster Resistance", and the '"Third Force" all of which are loyalist paramilitary organisations founded by Ian Paisely and having DUP members in their ranks?
Should you care to inform yourself further see here: http://www.inc.ie/duped.html

The DUP are usually tight-lipped on matters of Loyalist violence for fear of losing the hard-line electoral support. They also rarely acknowledge that since the ceasefires, Loyalist groups have been responsible for the murder over 30 Protestant people.

yes ive read about that and ive read your article that you posted. its all bad, its biggotism. members of the DUP have links with loyalists, but im saying that the party itself dosnt pick what is a crime and what is not. it might be slow in deploring loyalist violence, but at least its not justifying it. and at least they wont be joining any government in this state. i'll let people in northern ireland worry about the DUP, but in the south, where i live, i'm more concerned with the prospects of SF coming into power.

hepcat · 10-03-2006 12:48PM

I don't want to get into huge debate over politics, but I voted Sinn Fein because I really believe that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness deserve to be applauded for bringing the IRA mob under control and helping to bring about a ceasefire. Sure, its very easy to lump them all under the banner of cop killers and terrorist louts, but that is not the whole story. I believe Adams and McGuinness have fought very hard to bring the peace process to where it is today.

el tel · 10-03-2006 12:51PM

ivan087 wrote:

yes ive read about that and ive read your article that you posted. its all bad, its biggotism. members of the DUP have links with loyalists, but im saying that the party itself dosnt pick what is a crime and what is not. it might be slow in deploring loyalist violence, but at least its not justifying it. and at least they wont be joining any government in this state. i'll let people in northern ireland worry about the DUP, but in the south, where i live, i'm more concerned with the prospects of SF coming into power.

You are just right - it only matters when it's in your back yard, huh?!:rolleyes:

LegacyUser · 10-03-2006 01:00PM

hepcat wrote:

I don't want to get into huge debate over politics, but I voted Sinn Fein because I really believe that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness deserve to be applauded for bringing the IRA mob under control and helping to bring about a ceasefire. Sure, its very easy to lump them all under the banner of cop killers and terrorist louts, but that is not the whole story. I believe Adams and McGuinness have fought very hard to bring the peace process to where it is today.

I am inclined to agree with you, In my opinion, I really do feel that they have done everything in their power to maintain the peace process. I believe they lost control of the IRA a long time ago, which emphasises how difficult it must be for them to regain some sort of orderly control over them now.

ivan087 · 10-03-2006 01:03PM

el tel wrote:

You are just right - it only matters when it's in your back yard, huh?!:rolleyes:

yep, im concerned with what happens in northern ireland, as i am about the usa, isreal, etc. but more concerened with what happens in this state. who gets into power in the republic of ireland effects me more then with what happens in another country - northern ireland is a seperate country. would you say your more concerned about another country then you are about your own country?
anyway, this is way off topic. my votes with labour or FG. just to get a fresh government into office.

LegacyUser · 10-03-2006 01:03PM

ivan087 wrote:

yep, im concerned with what happens in northern ireland, as i am about the usa, isreal, etc. but more concerened with what happens in this state.

Fair point I suppose, but anyone wanting a 32 county republic probably wont agree with you.

Idbatterim · 10-03-2006 01:05PM

I will vote the pd's, becuase atleast they have clear, logical policies, mainly centred on stopping the whole rip off culture here and making it a fairer society and introducing competion, they also have other good policy objectives. Unlike Bertie who cant make a straight decsion, because someone might get upset, no please everyone and come out with some nonsense that does no one any good, bertie is run by the fat cat unions in this country, only in ireland could the government be governed!

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