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should they be buried together?

  • 19-02-2006 07:27PM
    #1
    fischerspooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭fischerspooner


    I read in the paper yesterday about the funeral of that mad woman that killed both her boys and then herself. It said "tragic mum" was to be buried with both her kids. It got me thinking - if it were a man that killed his two sons, would they use to word "tragic", or the world "psycho"? Would they bury a man beside two boys that he murdered? Surely not... why is this?


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  • #2
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Well she's not going to do them any harm now.


  • #3
    AngryBadger
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    Why do you assume they wouldn't bury a man with his two sons if he had killed them?


  • #4
    constitutionus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    fischerspooner wrote:
    I read in the paper yesterday about the funeral of that mad woman that killed both her boys and then herself. It said "tragic mum" was to be buried with both her kids. It got me thinking - if it were a man that killed his two sons, would they use to word "tragic", or the world "psycho"? Would they bury a man beside two boys that he murdered? Surely not... why is this?

    because ireland is anti men, go down the family law court any day and see what i mean. blokes are pretty much the only demographic you can discriminate against and get away with it. just look at how blokes are portrayed in advertising:rolleyes:


  • #5
    LadyJ
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    constitutionus wrote:
    because ireland is anti men, go down the family law court any day and see what i mean. blokes are pretty much the only demographic you can discriminate against and get away with it. just look at how blokes are portrayed in advertising:rolleyes:
    I agree with what you are saying here but I also believe that men are treated more sympathetically by society a lot of the time.

    For example,when a man's wife dies,people will come to the house,cook for him,clean for him,discuss "what on earth he's going to do now" and generally treat him as if his life is over and he's reverted to some child-like state.

    However,for women,it's the opposite. They are expected to always get on with things and the death of a loved one is just another burden of womanhood etc.

    My point is that both men and women get raw deals in different aspects of life and that probably won't ever change.


  • #6
    constitutionus
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    LadyJ wrote:

    My point is that both men and women get raw deals in different aspects of life and that probably won't ever change.


    which is a disgrace. basic human compassion should extend to everyone. when my dad died my neighbours were amazing. always dropping in to my mum to see how shes doing and trying to get her out and socialising. they still do that now seven years later.

    the one worry i have about modern life is i dont see these kinds or relationships developing in the new estates and appartments that are popping up all over the place. i have an awfull feeling theres gonna be alot of lonely people who're surrounded by people:(


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  • #7
    LadyJ
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    constitutionus wrote:
    which is a disgrace. basic human compassion should extend to everyone.
    I agree but I'd be a fool to believe that I'll ever see such a world in my lifetime.
    i have an awfull feeling theres gonna be alot of lonely people who're surrounded by people:(
    There already are and there always have been.


  • #8
    Supercell
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    Does physical separation really matter when you are dead?
    I suppose if there is something after then discussions are ensuing already.
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/


  • #9
    senordingdong
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    LadyJ wrote:
    I agree with what you are saying here but I also believe that men are treated more sympathetically by society a lot of the time.

    Sorry but I have to disagree, with your example atleast.

    And it is true, white males aged 18-35 are treated like vermin in the justice system.


  • #10
    LadyJ
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    Longfield wrote:
    Does physical separation really matter when you are dead?
    I think the OP is just trying to make a point about society being sexist,I doubt he's making any kind of point about the afterlife.


  • #11
    LadyJ
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    senordingdong wrote:
    Sorry but I have to disagree, with your example atleast.

    And it is true, white males aged 18-35 are treated like vermin in the justice system.
    I agree,but while men are discriminated against by the justice system,I find that women are discriminated against just as much in every day life.


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  • #12
    senordingdong
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    I disagree with you because it seems that in this day and age, everybody strives so much to be PC, not becasue they care, but because they could have something to lose if they're not.
    In the midst of this, it seems no-one has taken into consideration, the rights of the once Alpha group...white males 18-35.

    Basically what I'm saying is that sexual discrimination (against females atleast) seems to be something of an urban legend in this day and age, simply because anyone in a position to do so, would be too scared to do it. And would be royally ****ed if they were caught.


  • #13
    AngryBadger
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    LadyJ wrote:
    I agree,but while men are discriminated against by the justice system,I find that women are discriminated against just as much in every day life.

    In what ways are women discriminated against?


  • #14
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    In what ways are women discriminated against?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054891784

    I think some of the comments on this thread will give you a taste of what I mean. If the OP was a bloke,I think there'd have been a great deal more positive support.

    And this is only one example. I still agree that men get a terrible time when it comes to the justice system but I also believe that women get a hard time for many day-to-day things that are seen as perfectly acceptable when done by a man.


  • #15
    AngryBadger
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    I don't think that thread qualifies as discrimination. Yes some people are wailing on the OP, but some of those people are women, and some other people are cheering her on, it all seems fairly balanced to me.


  • #16
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    I don't think that thread qualifies as discrimination. Yes some people are wailing on the OP, but some of those people are women, and some other people are cheering her on, it all seems fairly balanced to me.
    And who says that you have to be a man to discriminate against women?


  • #17
    senordingdong
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    If that's the case I'm not sure it helps your point LadyJ.


  • #18
    AngryBadger
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    LadyJ wrote:
    And who says that you have to be a man to discriminate against women?

    ......if you're saying it;s discrimination against women, then it's discrimination on the basis of sex, which is SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION, I don't realy see how a woman can do this to another woman.

    UNless you're talking about just being bitchy, but that#'s not discrimination, it's just being bitchy


  • #19
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    ......if you're saying it;s discrimination against women, then it's discrimination on the basis of sex, which is SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION, I don't realy see how a woman can do this to another woman.

    UNless you're talking about just being bitchy, but that#'s not discrimination, it's just being bitchy
    I think you're wrong. People of the same race can be racist towards their own. There are women who hate woman and men who hate men.

    My point is that there are many different kinds of discrimination(including sexual discrimination) and it is not always men that are on the receiving end.


  • #20
    AngryBadger
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    LadyJ wrote:
    My point is that there are many different kinds of discrimination(including sexual discrimination) and it is not always men that are on the receiving end.

    Sorry but that's like saying there is a sky.

    Of course there are many forms of discrimination, and I've never heard anyone attempt to argue that only men experienced it.


  • #21
    Rb
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    No she shouldn't be buried with them, she should be buried in an unmarked grave somewhere in the middle of nowhere and left there to rot.
    You don't bury a muderer next to their victims, especially if their victims happen to be their own children.
    The husband has to visit those graves remember, I'm sure he could go without being reminded every time he goes up to see the graves of the psycho b1tch that took the two he held dearest in his life.


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  • #22
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    Sorry but that's like saying there is a sky.

    Of course there are many forms of discrimination, and I've never heard anyone attempt to argue that only me experienced it.
    This is so funny. All I was saying at the start was that men and women both get a tough time in different areas of life and that that is sh!t but that's the way it is. End of story. I agree with what the OP is saying but I was merely suggesting that while men have it tough when it comes to the law,women have it tough in other areas. I don't see why this is causing such an uproar.


  • #23
    AngryBadger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭AngryBadger


    LadyJ wrote:
    This is so funny. All I was saying at the start was that men and women both get a tough time in different areas of life and that that is sh!t but that's the way it is. End of story. I agree with what the OP is saying but I was merely suggesting that while men have it tough when it comes to the law,women have it tough in other areas. I don't see why this is causing such an uproar.

    :confused: Uproar? I think not

    Moreover, I'm not saying i disagree with you, but I have asked you to give an example of this, and in my estimation you haven't done so.


  • #24
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    :confused: Uproar? I think not

    Moreover, I'm not saying i disagree with you, but I have asked you to give ma an example of this, and in my estimation you haven't done so.
    Ok,let's see... How about women are paid,on average around 20% less than men for doing the same job?


  • #25
    AngryBadger
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    LadyJ wrote:
    Ok,let's see... How about women are paid,on average around 20% less than men for doing the same job?

    Source?


  • #26
    LadyJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭LadyJ


    AngryBadger wrote:
    Source?
    The Guardian


  • #27
    ST*
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    fischerspooner wrote:
    I read in the paper yesterday about the funeral of that mad woman that killed both her boys and then herself
    The above comment annoys the sh*t out of me.
    Pure ignorance.


  • #28
    AngryBadger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭AngryBadger


    LadyJ wrote:
    The Guardian

    Can you be more specific


  • #29
    LadyJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭LadyJ


    AngryBadger wrote:
    Can you be more specific
    I'm afraid I don't remember the date but you're welcome to go to the website and have a look.


  • #30
    AngryBadger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭AngryBadger


    LadyJ wrote:
    I'm afraid I don't remember the date but you're welcome to go to the website and have a look.

    .......:rolleyes:


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  • #31
    LadyJ
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    AngryBadger wrote:
    .......:rolleyes:
    Fair enough. You wanted a source and I've given you one.


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